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[-] QC deed fraud story - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA (33 replies)
4/22/2010 1:56:38 PM (5414 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/22/2010 3:35:51 PM (6016 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA
4/22/2010 3:40:20 PM (4417 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - William Pattison /CA
4/23/2010 2:33:50 PM (4364 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/23/2010 5:33:51 PM (4461 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 4:36:19 PM (4288 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 8:35:48 PM (4223 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 9:24:54 PM (4207 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 11:17:13 PM (5750 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/25/2010 3:18:06 PM (4158 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 8:52:25 AM (5607 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/28/2010 11:50:52 AM (4043 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/28/2010 4:57:24 PM (4238 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 10:23:10 PM (5695 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/29/2010 12:50:38 AM (4171 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/1/2010 1:37:22 AM (4246 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
5/3/2010 12:09:36 PM (3955 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/3/2010 11:02:43 PM (4142 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
5/4/2010 1:33:48 AM (6231 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/29/2010 11:48:41 AM (4185 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Robert Franco/OH
4/29/2010 7:07:02 PM (4136 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/1/2010 2:09:04 AM (4170 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/28/2010 4:45:00 PM (4157 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/28/2010 8:38:24 PM (4050 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 10:02:53 PM (4108 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/29/2010 1:02:41 AM (4136 views)
Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 5:06:43 PM (5822 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 5:21:31 PM (4237 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - William Pattison /CA
4/26/2010 1:10:08 PM (4206 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
4/26/2010 5:02:45 PM (4299 views)

Let's just stipulate that if we're on this guy's jury, he's innocent until proven guilty under the law.  I think that's a given.

But we aren't on the jury, and that allows us a looser standard when forming an opinion.  I didn't see George applying an "innocent until proven guilty" standard to Tim Geithner upthread when he called him a "crook" and a "federal tax cheat", nor did I see any admonishment from you that he wasn't keeping his mind open because he didn't apply such a standard. 

When George called Geithner a crook, I certainly didn't make an argument that Geithner wasn't a crook simply by virtue of the fact that he has not been convicted of a crime.  Beause let's face it, there's a lot of crooks walking the streets free because of technicalities, bad jury decisions, clever legal defenses, and the pure luck of never getting caught.  Instead, I argued that I didn't believe Geithner was a crook based on the facts of his tax issue.

Similarly, in this case, I'm saying that if the news reports and the extra info provided by Dave's source accurately represent this guy's scheme, he's a crook.  He may never be convicted, or even charged in the case-- he's still a crook.  A criminal is a criminal, whether they get convicted or not, and an innocent person is not a criminal even if they get convicted of a crime. 

Bottom line: if I see a thug beat down an old lady in the street and run off with her purse, I don't feel any particular obligation to wait for the conviction to call the guy a criminal.  Same general principle applies here.

As far as the tax avoidance schemes you describe, I think I'm fairly safe ground when I say that many of them in fact are not legal-- for instance, sham business transactions that have no legitimate purpose other than to avoid federal tax are not legal.

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Re: Follow-up article on the story - William Pattison /CA
5/3/2010 12:18:36 PM (3974 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
5/3/2010 3:11:53 PM (4000 views)
Update: Hanloh arrested and jailed last Friday - Slade Smith/OH
6/7/2010 12:46:54 PM (5475 views)
Re: Update: Hanloh arrested and jailed last Friday - george Hubka/MI
6/12/2010 8:32:14 PM (4179 views)

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