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County Clerk Fees - Ellen Maher/MI
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Re: County Clerk Fees - Ellen Maher/MI
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Re: County Clerk Fees - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: County Clerk Fees - Brad Bradbury/PA
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Re: County Clerk Fees - Jessica Talley/NJ
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Re: County Clerk Fees - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: County Clerk Fees - Jessica Talley/NJ
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Re: County Clerk Fees - Dan Zook/NY
9/15/2009 10:18:14 AM (4779 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - Nils Nelson/ME
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Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - Louise Jackson/SC
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Re: Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - Brenda Palmer/TN
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Re: Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - Jennifer/AR
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Re: Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - Virginia Capps/TN
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Re: Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - Angela Johnson/NC
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MSNi - Constance Foye/VA
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Re: MSNi - Kelli Quade/MO
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Re: MSNi - george Hubka/MI
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Re: MSNi - Constance Foye/VA
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Pro-Search, Inc. - Susan McKee/WV
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ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Cheryl Hartzman/PA
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Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Robert Franco/OH
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J&L in TX - LAWANDA  MCMILLIAN/AR
9/3/2009 9:34:26 PM (3238 views)

Accepting Credit Cards - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Michelle White/IL
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Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Robert Franco/OH
9/8/2009 1:52:47 PM (5282 views)
Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Jessica Obitz/MD
9/15/2009 8:32:35 AM (4824 views)
Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Dan Zook/NY
9/15/2009 8:58:54 AM (4797 views)

Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/3/2009 1:03:46 AM (4058 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/10/2009 3:53:48 PM (5218 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
9/15/2009 2:24:40 PM (5224 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/17/2009 1:54:39 PM (6663 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/17/2009 4:24:02 PM (5118 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
9/17/2009 7:58:09 PM (5216 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/18/2009 1:18:49 AM (5256 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/18/2009 9:27:37 AM (5081 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - george Hubka/MI
9/18/2009 4:59:39 PM (5060 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/18/2009 6:51:17 PM (5035 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
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Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/21/2009 12:11:37 PM (5145 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 1:11:33 PM (5201 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 1:08:37 PM (5124 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 12:35:50 PM (5054 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/18/2009 1:24:49 AM (5089 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 1:50:13 PM (5125 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/21/2009 2:08:51 PM (5340 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/22/2009 12:30:13 PM (5418 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/22/2009 1:18:21 PM (5174 views)

Yes... probably best to let it drop.  If you want to get involved in these types of transactions, go for it.  I'm not telling you what to do.  I'm just saying that, from a title agents perspective, it is a land flip that most knowledgeable title agents will not want to get involved with.

You clearly do not understand there is substantively no difference between B using the proceeds from C to buy property from A... AND... B borrowing money from YOU to buy the property from A with the requirement that the proceeds from the sale to C must be used to pay YOU.  Clearly, with that kind of requirement the A/B transaction is dependent upon the B/C transaction.  The A/B transaction cannot stand alone because you wouldn't loan the money without the B/C transaction already lined up and ready to go.

You need to re-read your post:

The agreement is that this money is used to fund the A-B and then paid back plus fee in the B-C transaction.  If the B-C transaction falls apart for some reason, the title company nullifies the A-B.

"If the B/C transaction falls apart - the title company nullifies the A/B transaction" - This does not describe a "stand alone transaction."  The A/B transaction necessarily depends on the B/C transaction!  A title agent would have to be nuts to agree to close that transaction.  It is clearly a land flip with all of the badges of fraud that land agents in the middle of federal investigations.  It is precisely the type of transaction that we are trained to spot and avoid. 

You clearly have a dollar signs blinding your vision - you want to loan someone money with a large fee FOR ONE DAY!  Like most get-rich-quick schemes, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. 

Clanci was clearly correct, you are taking her statement out of context.  Though, perhaps what she should have said in response to your comment ("no one here has experience...and some people have irrational fears") was "It is not fear that prevents us from not doing these transactions, nor is it a lack of experience.  It is past experiences and the laws that govern our business that we follow.”

I don't know how I could make this any more clear... you just don't want to understand.  Clearly you recognize that "each closing has to stand on it's own."  Then you want to contractually obligate the title agent to "nullify" the first transaction if the second deal falls through.  By your own words, the first transaction is dependent on the second transaction, i.e., it does not stand alone.  Your contract would make the title agent a party to a land flip.  Any agent worth his salt would send you packing.

You said:

I didn't really ask for your opinion, I asked for facts about the title business.  But you guys are having difficulty getting the basic facts of my question straight.

You got what you asked for... "My question is just about the details of this contract between the Title Co and the Trans Lender. How is this done exactly?"  You were told that the way you want to structure this deal meets the definition of a land flip and our professional opinion is that we would not get involved.  It is you that does not understand the "basic facts" of your question.  The facts you presented contemplate that the A/B transaction cannot stand alone, yet you insist that it is a stand alone transaction.  You can't have it both ways!    If the A/B transaction is "nullified" if the B/C transaction falls through, it does not stand alone no matter how many times you call it "a stand alone transaction!" 

I'm sorry you didn't like the answer you got.  You are free to go elsewhere and seek other opinions.  Sooner or later you will find someone who doesn't understand land flips and you will get a more favorable response.  Just don't say you weren't warned.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/12/2009 12:28:55 PM (5205 views)

selling searches - edward hartung/OH
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new client, trust title - WAYNE QUICK/NC
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Cleary Title - Robin Ramberg/MI
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Abstractor Fees - Tena Grice/TX
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SOT maintenance notice - Slade Smith/OH
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Abstractor Watchdog - Nils Nelson/ME
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