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Pro Title - Barbara Kelley/PA
10/15/2008 8:32:12 AM (3841 views)
Re: Pro Title - Thomas Conrad/PA
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Re: Pro Title - judith fitzgerald/HI
10/19/2008 11:45:51 PM (4947 views)
Re: Pro Title - Kurt deVries/FL
10/22/2008 11:21:49 AM (4669 views)

Oil&Gas-Mineral - Kevin Curtiss/AL
10/14/2008 8:32:34 PM (3638 views)
Re: Oil&Gas-Mineral - Christine Sheeler/PA
10/15/2008 10:17:37 PM (5103 views)
Re: Oil&Gas-Mineral - Alix Ott/MI
11/20/2008 12:00:48 PM (4448 views)

Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - JOSEPH EMERSON/MN
10/14/2008 3:50:43 PM (4655 views)
Re: Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/14/2008 6:05:27 PM (5646 views)
Re: Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - Constance Foye/VA
10/20/2008 9:42:36 AM (5057 views)
Re: Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - michele greenspan/NY
6/7/2009 3:52:49 PM (4619 views)

Ireport contest-vote for us! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 2:00:11 PM (5259 views)
Re: Ireport contest-vote for us! - michael quinn/NY
10/21/2008 11:22:42 PM (4623 views)

Examnet - shame on us! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 1:55:48 PM (4296 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Robert Franco/OH
10/14/2008 2:28:40 PM (4841 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/14/2008 2:51:13 PM (4880 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Arlene Nelson/NY
10/14/2008 3:19:44 PM (4871 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/14/2008 3:56:03 PM (4955 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/14/2008 4:03:11 PM (4872 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Robert Franco/OH
10/15/2008 1:23:23 PM (6784 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Shaun Dente/OH
10/15/2008 2:02:39 PM (4693 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 2:14:43 PM (4620 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - G L/FL
10/15/2008 2:38:31 PM (4704 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 4:09:30 PM (4713 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Robert Franco/OH
10/15/2008 7:02:19 PM (4728 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - . APS/NY
10/15/2008 8:11:50 PM (4530 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Helene /GA
10/15/2008 11:18:45 PM (4517 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 9:57:49 AM (4533 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/16/2008 11:21:51 AM (4657 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 11:35:37 AM (4622 views)
I retract my critique ... - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 12:11:11 PM (4652 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Robert Franco/OH
10/16/2008 12:23:58 PM (4657 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 12:48:24 PM (4518 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/16/2008 12:54:17 PM (4543 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 12:58:52 PM (4614 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/16/2008 2:28:25 PM (4587 views)
Open can worms...please let's not - Jay Duncan/MO
10/16/2008 2:42:05 PM (4473 views)
Re: Open can worms...please let's not - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2008 2:51:35 PM (4591 views)
Last Words - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2008 10:47:17 AM (4580 views)
Re: Last Words - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/17/2008 3:18:35 PM (4527 views)
Re: Last Words - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2008 5:03:25 PM (4419 views)
Re: Last Words - . APS/NY
10/17/2008 8:00:18 PM (4480 views)
Re: Last Words - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/18/2008 2:36:58 AM (4424 views)
Re: Last Words - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/18/2008 8:06:58 AM (4467 views)
Re: Last Words - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/18/2008 8:51:29 AM (4539 views)
Re: Last Words - Robert Franco/OH
10/18/2008 12:39:33 PM (4377 views)
Re: Last Words - . APS/NY
10/18/2008 1:45:33 PM (4409 views)
Re: Last Words - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/18/2008 9:27:06 PM (4407 views)
Re: Last Words - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/20/2008 4:06:00 PM (4426 views)
Re: Last Words - Michelle/IL
10/20/2008 4:11:29 PM (4475 views)
Re: Last Words - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/20/2008 4:20:46 PM (4416 views)
Re: Last Words - michael quinn/NY
10/21/2008 11:56:59 PM (4334 views)
Re: Last Words - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/22/2008 11:09:17 AM (4366 views)
Re: Last Words - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/20/2008 5:14:03 PM (4318 views)
Re: Open can worms...please let's not - J Nisonger/CA
10/18/2008 11:02:56 PM (4496 views)
Re: Open can worms...please let's not - Jay Duncan/MO
10/19/2008 3:50:54 PM (4505 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 4:11:03 PM (4767 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/14/2008 6:25:37 PM (4612 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - george Hubka/MI
10/14/2008 11:06:23 PM (4421 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/14/2008 11:47:14 PM (4501 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/15/2008 10:04:51 AM (4519 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - . APS/NY
10/15/2008 12:21:11 PM (4299 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/15/2008 1:41:44 PM (4332 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Louise Jackson/SC
11/7/2008 9:29:57 AM (4024 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
11/7/2008 2:48:24 PM (4089 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/15/2008 12:36:22 PM (4216 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/27/2008 7:40:05 AM (4106 views)




National 1 Source - Joyce/NM
10/14/2008 11:48:56 AM (3917 views)
Re: National 1 Source - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 2:03:27 PM (5081 views)
Re: National 1 Source - Joyce/NM
10/14/2008 2:07:17 PM (5141 views)
Re: National 1 Source - JOSEPH EMERSON/MN
10/14/2008 4:11:46 PM (5125 views)
Re: National 1 Source - JOSEPH MARTINEZ/NM
10/20/2008 12:33:01 PM (4907 views)

Collection Agencies - Danielle Nelson/WI
10/10/2008 5:06:18 PM (3887 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - . APS/NY
10/13/2008 9:55:16 PM (4938 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2008 5:33:02 AM (4877 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - DIANA NYTKO/CT
10/20/2008 11:14:57 AM (4685 views)

two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/8/2008 8:03:45 PM (4062 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Patrick Scott/IL
10/8/2008 11:02:35 PM (5519 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/9/2008 5:17:27 PM (5265 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Ellen Maher/MI
10/9/2008 6:14:54 PM (5188 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Jay Duncan/MO
10/9/2008 8:42:09 PM (5247 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/9/2008 10:50:05 PM (5306 views)

I ordered a full title search - 60 years, not a property report.

The abstractor did not provide a copy of the mortgage. The abstractor reports the factual data from the mortgage document. If we need to see the mortgage, we request a copy. In this case, we saw no need to review the document ourselves.

If the abstractor had reviewed the mortgage, they would have noted the incorrect address. I did not mention that there was also an incorrect tax parcel number on the first page.

The seller in our transaction owned two properties on the same street. We insured the purchase of one. The other was lost by the seller in foreclosure.

The two mortgages in question were executed on the same day by the same borrower for the same lender. The two properties were on the same street. The legal descriptions were switched in error.

The mortgage lender's servicing department when they set up the two loans in their system did not check the legal descriptions and so they assigned account numbers to the property addresses shown on the first page of each mortgage.

We followed proper procedure in requesting payoff. In addition to the account number and property address, we included the recording info.

We followed proper procedure when sending the payoff check.
In addition to the account number and property address, we included the recording info.

If the lender had checked the recording info, they would also have noticed a problem, however they did not.

Our check matched the payoff letter which had been issued by the lender. Upon receipt the lender applied it to the account number matching their records and satisfied what they thought was the mortgage against our property.

The HELOC lender ordered a property report from the same abstractor who had done our original full search.

How could this have been avoided? If the abstractor had looked at the mortgage carefully the first time, and noticed the address was wrong, she might have also noticed the other mortgage. In 2004 the same lender owned both mortgages and we could have gotten it straightened out. After we paid off the one mortgage, the other was sold to GMAC who later foreclosed. The mistaken legal description was clearly found in the foreclosure search and the court order correcting the instrument cleared the cloud.

As for indexing, I think the first error would have been easy to catch. As for missing the court order, I am relying upon the response from the abstractor who said she should have got it when she did the property report for the HELOC lender.

I realize this is a confusing scenario. Anytime we run across a problem, I think it's good to talk about it because we all learn to be more careful.

I know there is lots of talk about title agents who won't pay a decent fee or want the abstractor to give only partial searches.

I paid $150 for a full search. I think that's reasonable and I believe this abstractor will be more careful in the future.

I think the entire experience was a great training opportunity, and it had a happy ending.

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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Dan Zook/NY
10/10/2008 9:22:41 AM (5231 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/11/2008 5:15:36 PM (5119 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/10/2008 11:34:02 AM (5242 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Robert Franco/OH
10/10/2008 12:05:36 PM (5300 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Patrick Scott/IL
10/10/2008 12:35:26 PM (5639 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Pattison /CA
10/16/2008 6:07:59 PM (5064 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/16/2008 8:45:36 PM (4855 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/11/2008 5:25:01 PM (5114 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - george Hubka/MI
10/13/2008 3:58:45 AM (5263 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/13/2008 11:04:33 AM (5161 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Scott Perry/PA
10/13/2008 1:41:45 PM (5149 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Hess/AL
10/14/2008 9:08:03 AM (5109 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/14/2008 10:59:32 AM (4954 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Hess/AL
10/14/2008 3:45:03 PM (5066 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/15/2008 12:23:00 PM (4828 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/14/2008 2:26:42 PM (5002 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/14/2008 6:35:41 PM (4972 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Candi Richter/NJ
10/15/2008 7:13:08 AM (5011 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 2:21:36 PM (4973 views)

Source of Title Maintenance Notice - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Source of Title Maintenance Notice - Robert Franco/OH
10/10/2008 11:49:40 AM (4901 views)

timios inc - John East/AL
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Re: timios inc - monica froese/ME
10/8/2008 6:22:57 PM (5442 views)
Re: timios inc - Brad Bradbury/PA
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Timios inc - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
10/10/2008 12:20:19 PM (8039 views)
Re: timios inc - K Smith/ME
10/14/2008 6:19:16 AM (5447 views)

Your opinions please--paying signing agents up front - Ronda Roaring/NY
10/7/2008 5:24:02 PM (3749 views)
Re: Your opinions please--paying signing agents up front - Diane Cipa/PA
10/8/2008 7:43:19 PM (5094 views)

MS Title - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/7/2008 10:33:53 AM (3840 views)
Re: MS Title - Smitty Strickland/SC
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Re: MS Title - Kenneth Signor/SC
10/14/2008 5:42:18 AM (5019 views)

Contact number for NALTEA - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/6/2008 6:57:06 PM (3494 views)
Re: Contact number for NALTEA - Jay Duncan/MO
10/6/2008 11:25:31 PM (5105 views)

Another Fee Reduction Request - Scott Perry/PA
10/6/2008 4:47:25 PM (4290 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Joyce/NM
10/6/2008 4:55:46 PM (5437 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Robert Franco/OH
10/6/2008 5:22:15 PM (5403 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Helene /GA
10/6/2008 9:49:49 PM (5417 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - george Hubka/MI
10/7/2008 5:53:14 AM (5407 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Scott Perry/PA
10/7/2008 6:47:35 AM (5426 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Helene /GA
10/12/2008 2:54:11 PM (5381 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - george Hubka/MI
10/13/2008 4:13:24 AM (5338 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Helene /GA
10/14/2008 12:09:47 AM (5417 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Robert Breakell/CT
10/7/2008 10:39:44 AM (5457 views)
Personal thought with no factual basis - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
10/7/2008 1:16:40 PM (5364 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Anita Backlund/MN
10/8/2008 9:29:30 PM (5342 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - george Hubka/MI
10/9/2008 6:16:51 AM (5299 views)

JC Abstracting - Barbara Hamilton/CA
10/4/2008 4:36:04 PM (3491 views)


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