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Price increases due to gas costs - Deborah Manion/VA
6/4/2008 12:18:25 PM (3494 views)
Re: Price increases due to gas costs - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/4/2008 12:29:47 PM (3798 views)
Re: Price increases due to gas costs - Robert Franco/OH
6/4/2008 1:17:53 PM (3768 views)
Re: Price increases due to gas costs - Amy Tatusko/VA
6/4/2008 6:42:43 PM (3934 views)
Re: Price increases due to gas costs - Rob  Robinson/PA
6/5/2008 12:49:19 AM (3869 views)
Re: Price increases due to gas costs - KELLY ROBERTSON/CA
6/9/2008 8:54:11 AM (3610 views)
Re: Price increases due to gas costs - Cheryl Hartzman/PA
6/9/2008 10:51:43 AM (3659 views)
Re: Price increases due to gas costs - charles jetter/OH
6/11/2008 4:24:14 AM (3449 views)
Re: Price increases due to gas costs - Ron McPherson/IA
6/10/2008 3:59:32 AM (3508 views)

Project Open Records - William Pattison /CA
6/3/2008 12:26:34 PM (3512 views)
Re: Project Open Records - Scott Perry/PA
6/3/2008 12:45:17 PM (3778 views)
Re: Project Open Records - William Pattison /CA
6/3/2008 2:44:18 PM (3748 views)
Re: Project Open Records - Scott Perry/PA
6/3/2008 3:40:19 PM (6464 views)
Re: Project Open Records - William Pattison /CA
6/3/2008 4:24:27 PM (3795 views)
Re: Project Open Records - Robert Franco/OH
6/3/2008 9:27:42 PM (3705 views)
Re: Project Open Records - William Pattison /CA
6/9/2008 1:49:33 PM (3468 views)
Re: Project Open Records - Robert Franco/OH
6/9/2008 2:45:45 PM (3556 views)
Re: Project Open Records - Jessica Talley/NJ
6/3/2008 9:28:20 PM (3667 views)
Re: Project Open Records - William Pattison /CA
6/9/2008 1:37:21 PM (3530 views)
Re: Project Open Records - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/4/2008 9:38:30 AM (3671 views)
Re: Project Open Records - Jeanine Johnson/FL
6/9/2008 12:17:09 PM (3469 views)
Re: Project Open Records - William Pattison /CA
6/9/2008 1:21:31 PM (3456 views)
Re: Project Open Records - Scott Perry/PA
6/9/2008 2:07:08 PM (3528 views)
Re: Project Open Records - William Pattison /CA
6/9/2008 2:25:34 PM (3480 views)
Re: Project Open Records - Scott Perry/PA
6/9/2008 3:17:45 PM (3505 views)
Re: Project Open Records - michael quinn/NY
6/10/2008 12:41:55 AM (3479 views)
Re: Project Open Records - William Pattison /CA
6/12/2008 2:20:12 PM (3478 views)
Re: Project Open Records - William Pattison /CA
6/9/2008 2:07:10 PM (3468 views)
Re: Project Open Records - michael quinn/NY
6/10/2008 1:28:01 AM (3479 views)
Re: Project Open Records - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
6/10/2008 8:17:01 AM (3515 views)
Re: Project Open Records - William Pattison /CA
6/11/2008 12:42:12 PM (3512 views)
Re: Project Open Records - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
6/11/2008 1:21:49 PM (3441 views)
Re: Project Open Records - William Pattison /CA
6/19/2008 2:04:54 PM (3451 views)
Re: Project Open Records - Scott Perry/PA
6/20/2008 8:24:00 AM (3626 views)
Re: Project Open Records - William Pattison /CA
7/1/2008 2:37:49 PM (3485 views)

Math Question - Jack Johanson/PA
6/3/2008 11:16:18 AM (3464 views)
Re: Math Question - Scott Perry/PA
6/3/2008 12:12:50 PM (3450 views)
Re: Math Question - michael quinn/NY
6/3/2008 1:09:40 PM (3443 views)
Re: Math Question - Jack Johanson/PA
6/3/2008 1:18:20 PM (3465 views)
Re: Math Question - michael quinn/NY
6/4/2008 4:50:56 AM (3491 views)
Re: Math Question - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/4/2008 4:24:34 PM (3427 views)
Re: Math Question - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
6/4/2008 6:13:13 PM (3551 views)
Re: Math Question - Rob  Robinson/PA
6/5/2008 12:44:38 AM (3243 views)
Re: Math Question - Scott Perry/PA
6/5/2008 6:51:35 AM (3396 views)
Re: Math Question - Rob  Robinson/PA
6/5/2008 10:19:15 AM (6109 views)
Re: Math Question - michael quinn/NY
6/5/2008 10:55:39 AM (3341 views)
Re: Math Question - Scott Perry/PA
6/5/2008 11:24:55 AM (3256 views)
Re: Math Question - Jack Johanson/PA
6/5/2008 3:55:29 PM (3256 views)
Re: Math Question - Slade Smith/OH
6/6/2008 6:05:27 AM (3235 views)
Re: Math Question - Scott Perry/PA
6/6/2008 7:02:18 AM (3276 views)
Re: Math Question - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
6/6/2008 8:36:47 AM (3135 views)
Re: Math Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/6/2008 11:34:50 AM (3380 views)
Re: Math Question - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
6/6/2008 11:47:53 AM (3342 views)
Re: Math Question - michael quinn/NY
6/6/2008 10:23:40 AM (3079 views)
Re: Math Question - Slade Smith/OH
6/6/2008 7:31:35 PM (3115 views)
Going for extra credit... - Robert Franco/OH
6/6/2008 1:28:24 PM (3225 views)
Re: Going for extra credit... - Slade Smith/OH
6/6/2008 7:36:08 PM (3017 views)
Re: Going for extra credit... - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/6/2008 8:44:59 PM (2945 views)
Re: Going for extra credit... ANSWER - Slade Smith/OH
6/10/2008 1:28:53 AM (3084 views)
Re: Going for extra credit... ANSWER - Robert Franco/OH
6/10/2008 10:51:22 AM (3040 views)
Re: Going for extra credit... ANSWER - Slade Smith/OH
6/11/2008 2:35:05 AM (2986 views)
Re: Math Question - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/5/2008 5:11:54 PM (3083 views)
Re: Math Question - Rob  Robinson/PA
6/6/2008 9:25:18 AM (2986 views)
Re: Math Question - Jack Johanson/PA
6/6/2008 10:10:55 AM (3121 views)
Re: Math Question - Rob  Robinson/PA
6/6/2008 11:01:07 AM (3033 views)
Re: Math Question - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/6/2008 2:13:59 PM (3086 views)
Re: Math Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/6/2008 11:39:06 AM (3227 views)
Re: Math Question - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
6/6/2008 11:54:08 AM (3240 views)
Re: Math Question - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/6/2008 1:53:48 PM (3035 views)
BOTTOM LINE: - Scott Perry/PA
6/6/2008 3:44:32 PM (3033 views)
Re: Math Question - michael quinn/NY
6/7/2008 12:16:58 AM (2986 views)
Re: Math Question - michael quinn/NY
6/7/2008 12:22:57 AM (3052 views)
Re: Math Question - J Nisonger/CA
6/7/2008 7:37:07 PM (3002 views)
Re: Math Question - michael quinn/NY
6/7/2008 11:37:48 PM (3039 views)

Cleveland conference - Gayle Hironimus/NC
6/2/2008 7:31:16 PM (3302 views)
Re: Cleveland conference - Richard Yeager/MI
6/4/2008 3:18:11 PM (3560 views)
Re: Cleveland conference - Jeremy Yohe/OH
6/4/2008 11:01:55 PM (6324 views)
Re: Cleveland conference - Robert Franco/OH
6/5/2008 10:05:46 AM (3602 views)
Re: Cleveland conference - Gayle Hironimus/NC
6/5/2008 10:58:32 AM (3647 views)

Eastern Shore Abstractors - Frustrated in MD/MD
6/2/2008 12:46:44 PM (3818 views)
Re: Eastern Shore Abstractors - Deborah Manion/VA
6/2/2008 1:18:09 PM (3612 views)
Re: Eastern Shore Abstractors - Chuck Y/NY
6/2/2008 1:29:44 PM (3641 views)
Re: Eastern Shore Abstractors - Andrew Veliuona/MD
6/4/2008 6:22:13 AM (6772 views)
Re: Eastern Shore Abstractors - Loretta Reed/MD
6/4/2008 7:30:32 AM (3525 views)
Re: Eastern Shore Abstractors - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
6/4/2008 9:18:44 PM (3673 views)
Re: Eastern Shore Abstractors - Loretta Reed/MD
6/5/2008 7:25:53 AM (3672 views)
Re: Eastern Shore Abstractors - Loretta Reed/MD
6/5/2008 8:18:36 AM (3611 views)
Re: Eastern Shore Abstractors - michael quinn/NY
6/5/2008 11:18:30 AM (3632 views)
Re: Eastern Shore Abstractors - Rob  Robinson/PA
6/9/2008 11:16:05 AM (3436 views)
Re: Eastern Shore Abstractors - Laurie E/MD
6/5/2008 1:34:26 PM (3598 views)
Re: Eastern Shore Abstractors - michael quinn/NY
6/5/2008 1:52:36 PM (3481 views)
Re: Eastern Shore Abstractors - Laurie E/MD
6/5/2008 3:18:19 PM (3543 views)
Re: Eastern Shore Abstractors - Chuck Y/NY
6/6/2008 9:10:47 AM (3486 views)
Re: Online solutions - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
6/6/2008 9:56:18 AM (3456 views)
Re: Online solutions - Ron McPherson/IA
6/6/2008 9:34:28 PM (3393 views)




Grand Info, Inc - Response from the Owner - Robb Grandon/MI
6/2/2008 12:03:42 PM (3791 views)
Re: Grand Info, Inc - Response from the Owner - Scott Perry/PA
6/2/2008 6:49:42 PM (3693 views)
Clarification - Vikki Moffitt/GA
6/3/2008 7:05:47 AM (3659 views)
Re: Clarification - michael quinn/NY
6/3/2008 11:38:21 AM (3590 views)
Re: Grand Info, Inc - Response from the Owner - michael quinn/NY
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Re: Grand Info, Inc - Response from the Owner - KELLY ROBERTSON/CA
6/9/2008 9:05:45 AM (6425 views)
Re: Grand Info, Inc - Response from the Owner - Rob  Robinson/PA
6/9/2008 11:06:42 AM (3516 views)
Re: Grand Info, Inc - Response from the Owner - Joanie Hahr/VT
6/24/2008 6:27:52 PM (3476 views)
Re: Grand Info, Inc - Response from the Owner - J Nisonger/CA
6/25/2008 5:37:59 PM (3412 views)
Re: Grand Info, Inc - Response from the Owner - Loretta Reed/MD
6/26/2008 9:43:40 AM (3518 views)

Moonpie! - J Nisonger/CA
5/30/2008 6:20:46 PM (3673 views)
Re: Moonpie! - monica froese/ME
5/30/2008 6:43:56 PM (3578 views)
Re: Moonpie! - Patrick Scott/IL
5/30/2008 7:06:47 PM (3395 views)
Re: Moonpie! - Scott Perry/PA
5/30/2008 8:49:15 PM (3535 views)
Re: Moonpie! - Glenda Hodge/TN
5/30/2008 11:35:04 PM (3514 views)
Re: Moonpie! - J Nisonger/CA
6/5/2008 2:16:20 AM (3648 views)
Re: Moonpie! - J Nisonger/CA
6/7/2008 7:04:28 PM (3358 views)
Re: Moonpie! - Glenda Hodge/TN
6/8/2008 12:21:27 AM (3347 views)
Re: Moonpie! - J Nisonger/CA
6/7/2008 7:09:28 PM (3390 views)
Re: Moonpie! - Lynn Hammett/SC
5/31/2008 12:13:48 AM (3600 views)
Re: Moonpie! - Rob  Robinson/PA
5/31/2008 10:03:29 AM (3469 views)
Re: Moonpie! - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
6/4/2008 11:54:43 PM (3866 views)
Re: Moonpie! - Glenda Hodge/TN
6/5/2008 9:49:16 AM (3442 views)
Re: Moonpie Festival - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
6/5/2008 10:08:25 AM (3568 views)
Re: Moonpie Festival - Lynn Dukes/SC
6/6/2008 10:02:41 AM (3621 views)
Re: Moonpie! - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
6/6/2008 11:23:39 AM (3436 views)

Flagship Title, Hampton VA - Amy Tatusko/VA
5/30/2008 10:58:55 AM (4310 views)
Re: Flagship Title, Hampton VA - Lynne Goodwin/VA
5/30/2008 11:45:18 AM (3775 views)
Re: Six hour turn time - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/30/2008 1:34:20 PM (3729 views)
Re: Six hour turn time - martha campbell/VA
6/2/2008 6:53:29 AM (3496 views)
Re: Flagship Title, Hampton VA - martha campbell/VA
6/2/2008 6:20:43 AM (3575 views)
Re: Flagship Title, Hampton VA - Teresa Martin/VA
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Northwest Title & Escrow (Vandanais Heights, MN) - Michaela Urban/OH
5/29/2008 12:09:58 PM (3788 views)
Re: Northwest Title & Escrow (Vandanais Heights, MN) - george Hubka/MI
6/1/2008 10:06:07 PM (3317 views)

Top excuses for not paying vendors - . APS/NY
5/27/2008 8:41:27 PM (3925 views)
Re: Top excuses for not paying vendors - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/27/2008 11:18:57 PM (3814 views)
Re: Top excuses for not paying vendors - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/28/2008 6:45:54 AM (3717 views)

Generally there are methods by which to successfully defeat all of these defenses. The greatest problem is waiting too long to enforce your contractual rights. With the passage of time clients file for bankruptcy, become insolvent or close their shops. Even if you succeed in obtaining a judgment there may be nothing left to satisfy it. Prompt enforcement of your claim is paramount.

1.    The no close/no pay defense is invalid unless it was disclosed to the abstractor at the time the abstractor accepted the order from the client. Most abstractors do not work with written agreements but rather oral agreements. In those instances in which there is a written contract involved...strike the no close/no pay clause from the contract before signing it. When the parties are performing under an oral contract the search order becomes strong evidence of what type of work was ordered , and what the terms of payment were. In this case make certain that the amount of your fee and the date of payment are mentioned in the search order. If there is a no close/no pay contingency mentioned in the search order...insist that the client remove it, and give you a revised search order before performing the search. If the client attempts to raise the no close/no pay policy at a later date, he is simply attempting to modify or amend the existing contract. In most states the defense is not valid unless the abstractor agrees to the subsequent modification.

2.   Not having signed a price agreement may be strong evidence that there was no agreement, but it is far from conclusive. It is primarily a matter of the evidence to support the claim. In the absence of a written agreement which would possibly foreclose payment, the court may rule that a reasonable amount is the proper amount.  In the alternative the abstractor may not be in a position to prove the pricing term In which case he will win on the issue of liability, but will be awarded only nominal damages of $1.00. If the client accepted the abstractor's work after receiving the invoice for the abstract, it is evidence that the client agreed to the price. This evidence becomes much stronger each time the abstractor repeatedly sends a bill for a specific amount, and the client ignores it. 

There may be a contract implied in fact in which there is never a word of its contractual terms spoken between the parties, and their conduct of performing the search and the client's acceptance thereof may be determined by the conduct of the parties.

There are also equitable remedies available such as unjust enrichment...a contract implied in law. In which case the client is liable for payment of a reasonable fee if the client accepted the abstract when the client knew or should have known that the abstractor expected to be paid. In this case a reasonable amount of payment becomes operative. The reasonable amount of the fee could be proved through a variety of means, including an industry stadard or prior course of dealing between the parties. Express contracts and implied contracts cannot coexist. However, if the lack of a pricing term in an express contract is fatal to the contract...the contract implied in law can be asserted.

3.    Proof of having ordered the search may be easier than the client thinks. The written search order would be the best evidence. However, the client's use of the abstract would also work well. It would simply be a matter of serving a subpoena on the title insurer and lender to prove that the abstractor's search was the basis for issuance of a title insurance policy. In addition to paying the abstractor...the client will most likely lose his client.

4.   The absence of the individual that ordered the work or his/her lack of authorization to order the work is not the end of the argument.  The issue is the extent to which authorization to order the search existed...not whether or not the individual is still employed by the client. There are a number of different types of authorization under the law of agency. Most of us are acquainted with express authorization in which the client has clearly appointed the individual as the client's agent/employee for the purpose of ordering the search. However, the client may have clothed the individual with sufficient apparent or inherent authority to order the search if the client has placed the individual in a position to reasonably create the impression that the individual is properly authorized.  There is also the matter of ratification of the individual's order of the search if the client has accepted and used the abstractor's work.

       If he has accepted the abstractor's work the client may also have waived his defense or in the alternative be estopped from asserting it. I recently litigated a case against a car dealership. The defendant claimed that the individual who signed the contract was not authorized to bind the defendant to the contract. However, the defendant had accepted services from my client for many months. The court ruled that the client had benefited from my client's services, and was therefore estopped from denying the validity of the contract.

5.   "We never received the bill." This is an easy defense to overcome. In Connecticut there is a rebutable presumption that if correspondence is properly addressed and properly posted it is presumed to have been received by the defendant. The burden of proof is shifted to the defendant to prove that he did not receive it. The only time that I have seen the presumption rebutted is when the the recipient had moved the location of his business at the relevant time, or the the proponant failed to establish proof that would give rise to the presumption.

    I remember a case in which compliance with a contract cancellation was at issue. The contract required timely notification of non renewal or the contract would automatically renew for another 5 years. The defendant asserted that he had mailed a timely cancellation, but the only evidence he could produce was the self serving testimony of the defendant and a fax copy with a much later date in the fax signature at the top of the page. The defendant's witness testified that he had properly addressed and posted the letter of cancellation, but on cross examination it became apparent that he had not placed the letter out of his control in the mail box. He had placed it in a location within his office for a later mail pick up. The court opined that that his testimony and the fax copy of the letter were evidence, but not proof of  the presumption.

The more the abstractor protects himself in the terms of the search order he/she receives, the easier it will be for him/her to obtain payment.  If the client is not responding to the abstractor's invoices, the final invoice should be sent certified mail return receipt requested with copies of the ealier invoices attached to it.  

The above is Connecticut law, but most of these precepts have evolved over several centuries of common law, and exist in various forms in most states. Some have been codified into statute.

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Lets Search for title in India - David Bloys/TX
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