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iMortgage Services - Pat/NY
5/21/2008 9:28:30 AM (3876 views)
Re: iMortgage Services - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/21/2008 9:56:50 AM (3749 views)
Re: iMortgage Services - Pat/NY
5/21/2008 10:15:50 AM (3576 views)
Re: iMortgage Services - Vikki Moffitt/GA
5/21/2008 11:33:36 AM (3623 views)
Re: iMortgage Services - george Hubka/MI
5/26/2008 7:53:10 PM (3623 views)
Re: iMortgage Services - J Nisonger/CA
5/27/2008 7:42:27 PM (3624 views)
Re: iMortgage Services - george Hubka/MI
5/29/2008 9:23:10 AM (3518 views)

KKRB - Rachel Lallman/OH
5/20/2008 2:02:26 PM (3289 views)

Grand Info Inc - Joanie Hahr/VT
5/19/2008 10:17:34 AM (4015 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/19/2008 10:22:21 PM (3472 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Laura Darby/OH
5/20/2008 9:27:12 AM (3387 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Virginia Capps/TN
5/20/2008 6:22:17 PM (3314 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/21/2008 5:54:07 PM (6161 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
5/21/2008 11:59:20 PM (3254 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/22/2008 12:39:10 PM (3130 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
5/22/2008 11:51:15 PM (3168 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - . APS/NY
5/23/2008 6:01:44 AM (3269 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/31/2008 4:39:05 PM (3031 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2008 8:32:54 PM (2976 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/1/2008 7:13:40 AM (2924 views)
Grand Info, etc. - Dave Pell/GA
6/1/2008 4:57:59 PM (2996 views)

I don't post frequently, but I have seen the same broken record of late-paying companies giving excuses about 60 - 90 day payments. While I am posting this under the current thread, the same applies to all the same excuses that have come before, and all that will come after. I do not mean to call out "Robb Grandon" specifically, because there are many others with similar philosophies.

He may be a nice guy with good intentions, but the reality is that "Pay you when we get paid" and "60 - 90 days payment" are both unprofessional ways to do business with abstractor-vendors. Period.

Businesses which handle their payments to abstractor this way, do not use this same policy with other vendors. Phone bills, utility bills, taxes, payroll, etc., are paid promptly. If allowed to go even 60 days, the phones would be cut off, the employees would leave, and it would be dark inside.

An abstractor-vendor is no different than any other vendor. They provided a service, which is due payment. It is not contigent upon payment from any other 3rd party.

Very often, the justification for this payment practice comes in the form of. "...that's the way the business is....."

The real reason for this practice is often that the company is undercapitalized. Operating on a shoestring budget requires that the company wait to get paid before they can afford to pay their vendors. An abstractor is well advised to avoid this type of customer, as they are only one bad week away from being insolvent. The right way to run a company is to have sufficient funds available to handle everyday expenses. You can call it "excess working capital", "operating fund", or any other proper name your accountant likes to use. Really it is simply "enough cash to properly run a business".

Sometimes the end-user company pays late. Sometimes business is slow. Before getting into an industry with this business enviroment, make sure you have the cash to handle this. Otherwise, it is best not to try and get into the business, because as it has been said: "...that's the way the business is.....". Putting this risk and financial liability on your abstractor-vendors is both unprofessional and unfair.

The only other reason a company does this is to float their cash on the backs of vendors. In either case, taking on an abstractor client like these is risky for the abstractor.

When a company that gives reasons such as...

  • "...nothing they could do, this is our accounting policy....."
  • "......Like you I do not make the rules....."

They are saying they have no control over their ability to pay. My question to them would be why do you not have control over your accounting department? Don't they work for you? Just tell them to write the check. There is no "policy" you can't change if you are the boss.

There is no "Rule" that says you can't pay your abstractor immediately. (Except the rule that the bank has that a check will not clear without a sufficient balance.) You either have the money or you don't.

If they cannot control their own internal accounting department, then what hope do they have to collect on their accounts receivable from outside customers? Maybe this is why their abstractors have to wait 90+ days to get paid.

Saying that all your bills are 100% paid up through February is nothing to brag about. That is something worth embarassment. Personal accounts such as mortgage payments would be considered seriously delinquent or in default if paid that late. And business debts, ESPECIALLY TO VALUED INDUSTRY PEERS, should be considered no less important.

The bottom line is that any payment beyond 30 days is late. (Even 30 days is already an extension of free financing to the customer!) Any description of why it is late is simply an excuse. Abstractors, don't fall for it.

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Re: Grand Info, etc. - Robert Franco/OH
6/1/2008 6:08:14 PM (2978 views)
Re: Grand Info, etc. - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2008 6:58:07 PM (3043 views)
Re: Grand Info, etc. - Vikki Moffitt/GA
6/1/2008 7:33:23 PM (3277 views)
Re: Grand Info, etc. - michael quinn/NY
6/2/2008 12:45:10 AM (2852 views)
Re: Grand Info, etc. - michael quinn/NY
6/2/2008 12:45:15 AM (2907 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/23/2008 7:06:17 AM (3401 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - J Nisonger/CA
5/25/2008 1:29:02 PM (3283 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - george Hubka/MI
5/26/2008 8:07:53 PM (3078 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Diane O'Neill/MI
5/27/2008 9:21:05 AM (2999 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
5/27/2008 12:04:39 AM (3162 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/31/2008 4:46:36 PM (2949 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2008 8:38:23 PM (3706 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/31/2008 9:32:29 PM (2879 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
5/27/2008 6:56:59 AM (3126 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Diane O'Neill/MI
5/27/2008 9:07:19 AM (3197 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2008 8:06:33 PM (2888 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Rob  Robinson/PA
6/9/2008 11:12:54 PM (2889 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
6/10/2008 12:03:22 AM (2982 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Rob  Robinson/PA
6/10/2008 2:21:52 AM (2852 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
6/10/2008 3:08:32 AM (2948 views)
One more thing to add... - Robert Franco/OH
6/10/2008 10:35:40 AM (2990 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
6/10/2008 2:04:12 AM (3041 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/10/2008 7:53:22 AM (2871 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robert Franco/OH
6/10/2008 10:42:36 AM (2811 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
6/10/2008 11:37:16 PM (2968 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
6/11/2008 4:53:19 PM (2986 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/31/2008 4:51:49 PM (2822 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2008 7:57:56 PM (2934 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - george Hubka/MI
6/1/2008 10:57:20 PM (2750 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - george Hubka/MI
6/1/2008 10:52:34 PM (2758 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
6/3/2008 1:41:49 PM (2983 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
6/3/2008 6:32:57 PM (2840 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Joanie Hahr/VT
6/24/2008 6:54:25 PM (2839 views)

Pilot Search Company - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/19/2008 9:08:34 AM (3780 views)
Re: Pilot Search Company - Chuck Y/NY
5/19/2008 1:38:31 PM (3672 views)
Re: Pilot Search Company - george Hubka/MI
5/19/2008 8:56:38 PM (3350 views)
Re: Pilot Search Company - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/20/2008 12:11:48 PM (3444 views)
Re: Pilot Search Company - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/20/2008 12:09:43 PM (3336 views)
Re: Pilot Search Company - Mark Forbes/NY
8/14/2008 2:58:11 PM (2749 views)

HUD LISTINGS - Matt Pardue/KY
5/15/2008 5:23:43 PM (3608 views)
Re: HUD LISTINGS - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/16/2008 10:20:39 AM (6063 views)
Re: HUD LISTINGS - Matt Pardue/KY
5/17/2008 9:22:52 PM (3212 views)




ASA Real Estate Services - Glenda Hodge/TN
5/15/2008 12:49:28 PM (4004 views)
ASA Real Estate Services, Newington CT - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
5/16/2008 8:06:14 AM (3943 views)
Re: ASA Real Estate Services, Newington CT - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/16/2008 8:51:40 AM (3777 views)
Re: ASA Real Estate Services, Newington CT - Glenda Hodge/TN
5/16/2008 11:40:32 AM (4242 views)
Try this to find ASA Real Estate Services - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
5/16/2008 1:35:14 PM (4133 views)
Re: ASA Real Estate Services - Joanie Hahr/VT
5/19/2008 10:08:56 AM (3585 views)

$50 Million Title Claim - Jeanine Johnson/FL
5/14/2008 6:11:27 PM (3309 views)

Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 6:55:50 AM (3591 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/14/2008 7:25:23 AM (3656 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 7:59:17 AM (3689 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/14/2008 11:31:53 AM (3627 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 11:56:40 AM (3586 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kurt deVries/FL
5/14/2008 1:12:02 PM (3546 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 1:22:12 PM (3549 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kurt deVries/FL
5/14/2008 1:29:45 PM (3542 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 1:33:18 PM (3591 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - J Nisonger/CA
5/27/2008 7:33:18 PM (3423 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/27/2008 10:14:49 PM (5823 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - J Nisonger/CA
5/30/2008 5:33:15 PM (3571 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/14/2008 4:43:09 PM (6316 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Virginia Capps/TN
5/14/2008 4:52:45 PM (3641 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/14/2008 4:58:57 PM (3656 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/27/2008 10:18:42 AM (3395 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/27/2008 2:07:27 PM (3333 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/27/2008 3:58:55 PM (3390 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/27/2008 4:18:37 PM (3362 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/27/2008 4:28:55 PM (3285 views)
Meanwhile, back at the ranch... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Meanwhile, back at the ranch... - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
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Re: Meanwhile, back at the ranch... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Meanwhile, back at the ranch... - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2008 8:03:07 AM (3287 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/30/2008 5:06:23 PM (3316 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/30/2008 5:26:01 PM (3535 views)

Advantage Title - Cheryl O'Brien/VA
5/13/2008 6:10:33 PM (3324 views)

Infinity International Processing Services - Lynn Hammett/SC
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Re: Infinity International Processing Services - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: DARN Infinity International Processing Services - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: DARN Infinity International Processing Services - Brandon/MI
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HUD Extends Comment Period Until June 12th - Lynn Hammett/SC
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Re: HUD Extends Comment Period Until June 12th - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: HUD Extends Comment Period Until June 12th - Patrick Scott/IL
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