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What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/24/2007 11:06:47 PM (3510 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 11:36:35 AM (2486 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Wendi See/SC
8/29/2007 1:26:58 PM (2344 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 8:29:12 PM (2432 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Scott Perry/PA
8/29/2007 9:29:52 PM (2412 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/29/2007 2:25:17 PM (2410 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 8:41:10 PM (2411 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/30/2007 9:53:18 AM (2409 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 10:46:20 AM (2444 views)

 

Katrina,

I have read your posts on this thread. It would appear that your argument fails to focus on the big picture. There are a number of players in the closing process...buyer...seller...mortgagee...title insurer...appraiser...abstractor. Each has a vital purpose in the closing process.


While the mortgagee may rely on the appraisal to determine issues such as the debt to equity ratio and will undoubtedly hedge its bet with title insurance...there is a difference between the appraised value of the property and marketable title. If the title to the property is heavily encumbered the appraisal is meaningless. The appraisal represents a best case scenario. The question remains as to whether there is sufficient equity in the property to back up the appraisal. The under appreciated roll that the abstractor plays determines whether the marketable title value and the appraisal coincide.

I had an amusing situation two weeks ago when a title insurance company called me about a closing I had performed a year and a half earlier. I did not do the title search on the property. Apparently the mortgagor applied for a reverse mortgage on the property and subsequently died. The mortgagee wanted title to the mortgaged property only to find that the mortgagor never held title to the property. He held only a life use of the property. Apparently someone screwed up. Either the abstractor failed to verify the chain of title...seems unlikely that an abstractor would miss something that basic...or the title insurance agent failed to pick up on the title when he issued the title insurance commitment...or the lender screwed up the closing docs. As usual the lender is protected seven ways to Sunday through the title insurance, and the title insurer is on the hook for the face value of the policy. The title insurer did not seem to think that the abstractor was at fault, but rather one of the other players.

I would also take issue with your above statement that the lender always has a first place priority. It depends on what lien or mortgage is being foreclosed. When one acquires a property through foreclosure sale or tax lien certificates...he is insane if he fails to perform a title search to discover the state of title. If the foreclosure is of a second mortgage...the buyer takes subject to the first mortgage which has priority. In Connecticut real estate taxes have an automatic priority over mortgages and liens, and would have to be paid notwithstanding the foreclosing financial institution's priority. There are also the issues of inchoate liens such as mechanic's liens which may not be recorded until 90 days (Connecticut rule) following completion of work, and thus may not show up on the record in a timely manner. The unrecorded mechanic's lien may predate the recording of the foreclosing entities lien/mortgage, but if recorded in a timely manner may predate and relate back to a date earlier than the priority of the foreclosing entity.

In Connecticut the Plaintiff in a foreclosure action is required to perform a title search to determine the encumbrances on the property. Those encumbrances that predate the priority of of the foreclosing entity are simply identified in the complaint as prior encumbrances. Those that are subsequent to the Plaintiff's priority are identified in the complaint as junior encumbrances, and are named as defendants in the foreclosure action.

In summary, the objective is to have the appraised value and marketable title value coincide for a property. If they do not someone...buyer...mortgagee or title insurer is going to be rather upset with the outcome. The seller could also be sued for breach of warranty. Without the abstractor's work marketable title can not be determined.

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Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/30/2007 1:34:50 PM (3728 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 1:48:49 PM (2434 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/30/2007 2:15:25 PM (2292 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 2:17:28 PM (2371 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Wendi See/SC
8/30/2007 11:33:00 AM (2484 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
8/30/2007 9:43:50 PM (2375 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - kristin sandman/IN
8/30/2007 10:49:32 PM (2311 views)
Should say "And Wendi" not Any Wendi, sorry n/m - Loretta Reed/MD
8/31/2007 9:37:07 AM (2319 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - george Hubka/MI
9/1/2007 9:49:36 PM (2244 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Norean /GA
9/1/2007 10:51:18 AM (2272 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/4/2007 12:47:50 PM (2310 views)

E & O Insurance - Katrina Harris/GA
8/24/2007 3:32:41 PM (2398 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Loretta Reed/MD
8/24/2007 4:38:49 PM (2660 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:20:56 AM (2497 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Jennifer  Porter/FL
8/28/2007 7:04:38 PM (2470 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 11:18:24 AM (2479 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Robert Franco/OH
8/29/2007 2:33:32 PM (2415 views)

GDocs - power in numbers - Alix Ott/MI
8/24/2007 1:38:41 PM (2321 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:30:10 AM (2571 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - Alix Ott/MI
8/27/2007 11:57:03 AM (2544 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - clay doss/MO
8/28/2007 12:30:09 AM (2482 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - george Hubka/MI
8/28/2007 4:12:34 PM (2520 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 1:47:31 PM (2484 views)

Title Stream paid - Dan Zook/NY
8/24/2007 9:09:46 AM (1764 views)

Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - Jay Duncan/MO
8/22/2007 5:57:51 PM (3307 views)
Re: Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - George Booth/OH
8/23/2007 9:05:12 AM (2384 views)
Re: Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - Jason Sheppard/PA
8/27/2007 11:17:46 AM (2400 views)




India warning - NoName/CA
8/22/2007 3:34:40 PM (2363 views)
Re: India warning - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
8/24/2007 3:51:56 AM (2706 views)

Home Owners Associations. - Nikky/FL
8/22/2007 12:42:35 PM (2089 views)
Re: Home Owners Associations. - Wendi See/SC
8/22/2007 1:07:41 PM (2626 views)
Re: Home Owners Associations. - Patrick Scott/IL
8/22/2007 1:35:23 PM (2738 views)
Re: Home Owners Associations. - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
8/22/2007 5:59:42 PM (2708 views)

Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Marc Cohen/MI
8/21/2007 4:59:19 PM (2322 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 8:21:47 AM (2796 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Alix Ott/MI
8/23/2007 6:44:28 PM (2703 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Lori Cassidy/CT
8/27/2007 8:55:23 PM (2762 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - george Hubka/MI
8/28/2007 4:16:34 PM (2685 views)

Northwest Title & Escrow/ pmt - Jennifer  Porter/FL
8/21/2007 2:19:24 PM (2662 views)
Re: Northwest Title & Escrow/ pmt - Michele  Peele/NC
8/24/2007 5:17:38 PM (2804 views)
Re: Northwest Title & Escrow/ pmt - ELAINA MAUSER/DE
8/27/2007 12:49:25 PM (2674 views)

Attention Floridians! - Robert Franco/OH
8/21/2007 1:28:07 PM (2219 views)
Re: Attention Floridians! - Kurt deVries/FL
8/23/2007 1:35:37 PM (4279 views)
Can't spell 8th??? - Kurt deVries/FL
8/23/2007 1:37:30 PM (4543 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - J Nisonger/CA
8/23/2007 2:19:56 PM (2705 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - Robert Franco/OH
8/23/2007 2:36:22 PM (2670 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - Kurt deVries/FL
8/24/2007 10:42:49 AM (2735 views)

Title Stream - Rebecca Warner/MI
8/21/2007 1:10:09 PM (2306 views)
Re: Title Stream - Wendi See/SC
8/21/2007 2:33:54 PM (2686 views)
Re: Title Stream - MARY ZILGE/NC
8/21/2007 5:10:46 PM (2868 views)
Re: Title Stream - Wendi See/SC
8/22/2007 1:09:57 PM (2738 views)
Re: Title Stream - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 8:39:06 AM (2850 views)
Re: Title Stream - Amy Tatusko/VA
8/22/2007 9:40:00 AM (4524 views)
Re: Title Stream - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 11:49:42 AM (2681 views)
Re: Title Stream - Langdon Knight/MO
8/22/2007 8:27:31 PM (2770 views)
Re: Title Stream - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:47:36 AM (2603 views)

INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Jill Kissell/IA
8/20/2007 2:04:25 PM (2732 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - KS/IN
8/20/2007 2:29:07 PM (4097 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Jessica Talley/NJ
8/20/2007 6:53:15 PM (2722 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Anita Backlund/MN
8/20/2007 7:07:30 PM (2772 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Dan Zook/NY
8/21/2007 9:12:16 AM (2796 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Dorothy Payne/NY
8/21/2007 9:08:10 PM (2673 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Robert Franco/OH
8/22/2007 11:31:55 AM (2794 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Carol Drummet/FL
8/22/2007 2:33:57 PM (2667 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:50:22 AM (2684 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Anita Backlund/MN
8/27/2007 11:35:55 AM (2603 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Rob  Robinson/PA
8/27/2007 11:38:06 AM (3124 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Rob  Robinson/PA
8/27/2007 11:45:48 AM (2693 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/27/2007 10:22:04 PM (2660 views)

Thank you SOT - Deborah Manion/VA
8/17/2007 2:00:23 PM (2266 views)
Re: and they're polite, too! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/17/2007 2:27:34 PM (2621 views)
Re: Thank you SOT - Robert Franco/OH
8/17/2007 3:20:14 PM (2614 views)
Re: Thank you SOT - Scott Perry/PA
8/17/2007 7:42:26 PM (2514 views)
Re: Thank you SOT - Deborah Manion/VA
8/17/2007 9:35:03 PM (2638 views)
Re: Thank you SOT - Scott Perry/PA
8/17/2007 11:23:54 PM (2616 views)

Abstractor Training... - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2007 4:24:21 PM (2469 views)
Re: Abstractor Training... - Wanda Steudel/OH
8/16/2007 4:37:22 PM (2622 views)
Re: Abstractor Training... - Scott Perry/PA
8/16/2007 4:57:30 PM (2582 views)
Re: Abstractor Training... - Scott Perry/PA
8/16/2007 5:08:02 PM (2592 views)
Re: Abstractor Training... - Jean Allen/NC
8/16/2007 9:01:14 PM (2605 views)

Genuine Title - Jay Duncan/MO
8/15/2007 4:47:25 PM (2535 views)
Re: Genuine Title - Loretta Reed/MD
8/15/2007 4:56:03 PM (2763 views)
Re: Genuine Title - TONY BROWN/VA
8/16/2007 3:11:18 PM (2660 views)
Re: Genuine Title - Deborah Manion/VA
8/16/2007 3:27:02 PM (2668 views)
Re: Genuine Title - Loretta Reed/MD
8/16/2007 4:31:04 PM (2678 views)


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