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Where is this industry headed? - D/AL
1/17/2007 9:07:55 PM (2228 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - Robert Franco/OH
1/18/2007 12:16:34 PM (2262 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - Scott Perry/PA
1/18/2007 3:54:52 PM (2340 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
1/18/2007 10:57:07 PM (2344 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - Scott Perry/PA
1/18/2007 11:29:24 PM (2320 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
1/19/2007 10:04:03 AM (2225 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - john franz/NJ
1/18/2007 3:58:42 PM (2237 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - Jeanine Johnson/FL
1/18/2007 5:36:37 PM (2227 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - George Booth/OH
1/21/2007 1:07:52 AM (2242 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/21/2007 6:07:22 AM (2219 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - David Bloys/TX
1/24/2007 8:28:29 PM (2264 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - Wanda Steudel/OH
1/25/2007 10:00:53 AM (2226 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - George Booth/OH
1/26/2007 9:27:19 AM (2325 views)

ID Theft Bill Targets County Websites - David Bloys/TX
1/17/2007 1:22:51 PM (3156 views)
Re: ID Theft Bill Targets County Websites - David Bloys/TX
1/17/2007 9:11:18 PM (2065 views)
Re: ID Theft Bill Targets County Websites - Robert Franco/OH
1/18/2007 12:20:37 PM (2122 views)
Re: ID Theft Bill Targets County Websites - David Bloys/TX
1/19/2007 10:16:30 AM (2042 views)

Is E-Filing Secure? - David Bloys/TX
1/16/2007 8:54:43 PM (2790 views)

Full disclosure - Chris Konzel/NY
1/16/2007 7:13:42 PM (2122 views)
Re: Full disclosure - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 3:52:37 AM (2269 views)
Re: Full disclosure - Chris Konzel/NY
1/17/2007 7:13:14 AM (2280 views)
Re: Full disclosure - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 7:48:17 AM (2226 views)
Attorney fees on HUD-1 or HUD-1A - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
1/17/2007 8:10:35 AM (2532 views)

Not a lawyer, from a purely many years real estate paralegal, former residential loan auditor for CT banks:

It is a very fine line, however, for attorney's personal representation to the purchaser/borrower or seller, the attorney is not required to disclose that fee under federal or state law to the other party or lender.  For example, the seller's attorney may be providing personal representation to the seller only, his legal advice and work product having nothing to do with the purchaser's "loan," therefore, Seller's attorney (P.O.C.) [disclosing that there is a fee, however, it is paid outside the closing transaction and that fee is nobody's business but the client's]. For example, the purchaser/borrower's attorney may NOT be the "settlement agent," "title insurance agent," or represent the lender, his legal advice and review of the documents is strictly for the client's benefit (P.O.C.).  In moldy pre-non-attorney refinance days, you would see an attorney's fee on the "settlement fee" line [fee for lender work being disclosed, borrower required to pay a fee which the lender often set] and on the attorney fee (attorney fee for additional representation such as reviewing/negotiating the purchaser & sale agreement) line of the HUD.

Kevin, correct me if I am wrong, but in a nutshell the attorney fee disclosure is for attorney services required by the lender, that benefit the lender, in connection with the mortgage loan, and paid for by the borrower.  What/how disclosed is a fine line. Over many years I've seen it crossed by lenders, attorneys, mortgage brokers, real estate agents, purchasers/sellers (such as cash back deals after the closing outside the attorneys' presence) off the settlement statement - usually without financial harm to anyone; i.e., no one but the auditor cares. Good news is on a regular basis a percentage of randomly chosen residential loan HUD-1s ARE reviewed by independent (lender and secondary market purchaser), state and federal auditors - bad things are caught eventually ... it's a matter of time, luck, and auditor knowledge, which is why over the years the HUD-1 changed and the HUD-1A appeared.

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Re: Attorney fees on HUD-1 or HUD-1A - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 8:33:14 AM (2365 views)
Re: Attorney fees on HUD-1 or HUD-1A - Chris Konzel/NY
1/17/2007 10:42:55 PM (2317 views)

International company? - Patricia Shaw/MD
1/16/2007 2:43:57 PM (2092 views)
Re: International company? - Craig Honeker/AZ
1/16/2007 3:32:58 PM (4378 views)
Re: International company? - Dorothy Payne/NY
1/16/2007 9:51:35 PM (2255 views)




Datikala Abstract Co/Darryl Rush - Anne Gilbert/VT
1/15/2007 1:25:41 PM (1741 views)

Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/15/2007 5:15:45 AM (2083 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 9:41:55 AM (2273 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/15/2007 10:34:55 AM (2282 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 10:53:05 AM (2279 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Bloys/TX
1/15/2007 9:40:08 PM (4441 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/15/2007 11:09:06 PM (2257 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - Jan Forster/NC
1/15/2007 11:24:54 PM (4478 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Bloys/TX
1/16/2007 12:38:45 AM (4431 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - Scott Perry/PA
1/16/2007 6:43:17 AM (2267 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/16/2007 1:42:16 PM (2266 views)

The NALTEA Conference - Robert Franco/OH
1/14/2007 10:30:25 PM (2104 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Robert Franco/OH
1/16/2007 12:47:27 AM (4561 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Nikky/FL
1/16/2007 7:04:23 AM (2280 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Jay Duncan/MO
1/16/2007 9:48:09 AM (2425 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Nikky/FL
1/16/2007 10:28:22 AM (2288 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 6:30:10 AM (2283 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Robert Franco/OH
1/16/2007 9:01:48 PM (2286 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Patrick Scott/IL
1/16/2007 10:58:39 PM (2153 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Wanda Steudel/OH
1/17/2007 10:41:52 AM (2289 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Nikky/FL
1/17/2007 5:40:45 PM (2198 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
1/17/2007 9:08:26 PM (2249 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Kurt deVries/FL
1/18/2007 12:45:02 PM (2153 views)

ACCU-FAX AUTHENTIC FILE RETRIEVAL SERVICE - Austin Whitaker/NY
1/14/2007 10:21:01 PM (1787 views)

Online invoices - Alan Voorheis/WA
1/13/2007 6:15:56 PM (3124 views)
Re: Online invoices - Anne Gilbert/VT
1/15/2007 1:16:30 PM (2208 views)
Re: Online invoices - Alan Voorheis/WA
1/17/2007 9:19:14 AM (2104 views)

Oneida County Pulls Plug on Internet Records - David Bloys/TX
1/13/2007 1:25:59 PM (2791 views)

Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/11/2007 1:41:04 PM (3325 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Chris Konzel/NY
1/11/2007 8:26:41 PM (2473 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/12/2007 5:04:09 AM (4659 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
1/12/2007 1:36:55 PM (2376 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - george Hubka/MI
1/12/2007 7:42:53 PM (2386 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/12/2007 9:34:03 PM (2338 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 10:37:42 AM (2400 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/15/2007 11:49:43 AM (2339 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 1:30:02 PM (2323 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/15/2007 2:55:24 PM (2348 views)

See you in San Diego! - Robert Franco/OH
1/11/2007 1:02:27 PM (2968 views)
Re: See you in San Diego! - Jay Duncan/MO
1/11/2007 1:17:01 PM (2174 views)
Re: See you in San Diego! - Patrick Scott/IL
1/11/2007 2:44:37 PM (2149 views)

My Brother sent me this today. - George Booth/OH
1/10/2007 5:21:30 PM (2151 views)
Re: My Brother sent me this today. - Jay Duncan/MO
1/10/2007 6:28:10 PM (2168 views)
Re: My Brother sent me this today. - Deborah Manion/VA
1/10/2007 7:46:39 PM (2234 views)
Re: My Brother sent me this today. - Patrick Scott/IL
1/10/2007 11:05:25 PM (2185 views)
Re: My Brother sent me this today. - Robert Franco/OH
1/10/2007 11:40:29 PM (2222 views)

NEW! Source of Title Blog - Robert Franco/OH
1/10/2007 12:10:07 PM (2146 views)
Re: NEW! Source of Title Blog - Deborah Manion/VA
1/10/2007 7:47:49 PM (2164 views)
Re: NEW! Source of Title Blog - Deborah Manion/VA
1/10/2007 7:52:48 PM (2185 views)
Re: NEW! Source of Title Blog - Robert Franco/OH
1/11/2007 10:58:39 AM (2152 views)


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