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Ameristar - John Baker/OH
2/11/2015 12:37:55 PM (2984 views)
Re: Ameristar - Heidi Gemeling/FL
2/12/2015 9:27:59 AM (3244 views)
Re: Ameristar - KIMBERLY  FALCONE/PA
2/16/2015 6:22:03 AM (3234 views)
Re: Ameristar - Heidi Gemeling/FL
2/16/2015 7:19:01 AM (3205 views)
Re: Ameristar - Sharon Yahraes/ID
2/23/2015 11:45:00 AM (2973 views)
Re: Ameristar - Christine Marley/IN
2/24/2015 2:53:11 PM (2927 views)
Re: Ameristar - David Bloys/TX
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Slow payers - R A/KY
2/11/2015 10:31:41 AM (1995 views)

INDEPENDENT SETTLEMENT SERVICES - Heidi Gemeling/FL
2/10/2015 6:25:14 AM (2647 views)
Re: INDEPENDENT SETTLEMENT SERVICES - Jason Knowles/AL
2/10/2015 4:38:24 PM (3285 views)

Corporate Settlement Solutions - Heidi Gemeling/FL
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Re: Corporate Settlement Solutions - BILL SYLVESTER/PA
2/16/2015 7:41:06 AM (2998 views)
Re: Corporate Settlement Solutions - Diane O'Neill/MI
2/23/2015 11:01:39 AM (2904 views)

search fees? - Christine Sheeler/PA
2/9/2015 9:12:33 AM (3254 views)
Re: search fees? - R A/KY
2/9/2015 7:55:47 PM (3520 views)
Re: search fees? - Christine Sheeler/PA
2/10/2015 7:10:30 AM (3528 views)
Re: search fees? - Mercedes Moreno/FL
2/12/2015 8:53:05 AM (3333 views)
Re: search fees? - Lu Rivera/PA
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Re: search fees? - Randi Erickson/MN
2/20/2015 1:07:18 PM (3048 views)
Re: search fees? - REBECCA RIZZONELLI/PA
3/2/2015 8:05:41 AM (2969 views)
Do companies need all those copies?? - Victoria Moate/NJ
3/16/2015 12:06:17 PM (2961 views)
Re: search fees? - Marian Severance/PA
6/18/2015 9:09:18 PM (2735 views)




Comment on "Title Searcher Liability to the Parties in a Real Estate Transaction" - Source of Title/OH
2/9/2015 8:53:06 AM (2453 views)
Title Searcher responsiblity to the parties in a real estate transaction - stephen willard/OH
2/9/2015 8:53:06 AM (3066 views)
Re: Title Searcher responsiblity to the parties in a real estate transaction - Slade Smith/OH
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Re: Comment on "Title Searcher Liability to the Parties in a Real Estate Transaction" - R A/KY
2/11/2015 10:40:28 AM (2855 views)
Re: Comment on "Title Searcher Liability to the Parties in a Real Estate Transaction" - Victoria Moate/NJ
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North Carolina & South Carolina - Jim Ashley/WV
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Re: North Carolina & South Carolina - WAYNE QUICK/NC
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Re: North Carolina & South Carolina - Jim Ashley/WV
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Re: North Carolina & South Carolina - Renee  DeAngelo/NC
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Re: North Carolina & South Carolina - mollie cardell/SC
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Re: North Carolina & South Carolina - Jim Ashley/WV
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Re: North Carolina & South Carolina - Anthony BROWNN/VA
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Re: North Carolina & South Carolina - Jim Ashley/WV
2/17/2015 9:36:01 AM (2856 views)
Re: North Carolina & South Carolina - Anthony BROWNN/VA
2/17/2015 10:30:49 AM (2742 views)

Explaining to customers about not giving legal advice on reports - David Simonton/FL
2/7/2015 9:11:36 AM (2414 views)
Re: Explaining to customers about not giving legal advice on reports - Scott Perry/PA
2/7/2015 3:38:34 PM (2885 views)



As soon as you find out, let me know, David.

I'm in a similar situation with a good customer who has a client wanting to know who owns the mineral rights to a small parcel in Washington County, PA.  "All we want to know is who owns the mineral rights. We do not need them searched." was the information passed along to me.

The problem is that the county does not keep track of ownership of subsurface estates since they are not separately assessed.  I tried to explain that there is no way to determine that without examining the deeds in the backchain to find the original severance, (which can be as far back as 1850 in this part of PA), then running it forward from there.  My customer understands this, but had a hard time explaining that to his client.

So I quote them a price, they come back and tell us all they want is a document retrieval.  I run the index on the current owner and pull copies of all leases, easements, etc. for the usual fee plus copy fees.  I also included a disclaimer stating that I did not do a search

Next day, my customer forwards an email from his client, says basically, this is not what we wanted, we need to know who owns the mineral rights, the deed clearly states it is not the [surface owner]. (It doesn't "clearly state" anything of the kind.) 

My customer wanted to know what he should tell them,  I simply replied, "Tell them that if they believe the surface owner does not own the mineral estate, they need to be willing to pay someone to find out who does. They need to understand that mineral searches are not cheap.  They also need to specify if they also want know who owns the oil & gas.  That's considered a separate estate from the mineral in PA."

So now I'm waiting to hear back from my customer to see how his client responds.  Sorry this isn't very helpful, David, but if nothing else, it just goes to show that Frank Zappa was right when he said that there's more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe.

Regards,
Scott Perry





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Re: Explaining to customers about not giving legal advice on reports - Alix Ott/MI
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Re: Explaining to customers about not giving legal advice on reports - Nils Nelson/ME
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Re: Explaining to customers about not giving legal advice on reports - Victoria Moate/NJ
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Ameristar- bad reputation - Sharon Yahraes/ID
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Re: Ameristar- bad reputation - R A/KY
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Knowledge Splice Services - Jim Ashley/WV
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Re: Knowledge Splice Services - Pamela Knott/VA
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Re: Knowledge Splice Services - Jim Ashley/WV
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Re: Knowledge Splice Services - R A/KY
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Re: Knowledge Splice Services - R A/KY
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Re: Knowledge Splice Services - Jim Ashley/WV
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New England ROW Abstracting? - R Cochran/NH
2/4/2015 8:43:10 PM (2357 views)
Re: New England ROW Abstracting? - Alix Ott/MI
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Re: New England ROW Abstracting? - R Cochran/NH
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Re: New England ROW Abstracting? - Janette  Buell/NY
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Re: New England ROW Abstracting? - R Cochran/NH
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Re: New England ROW Abstracting? - Janette  Buell/NY
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Altisource - Roberta Dean/IN
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Re: Altisource - Nils Nelson/ME
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Re: Altisource - R A/KY
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Re: Altisource - R A/KY
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Re: Altisource - Mercedes Moreno/FL
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Your morning chuckle.... - Alix Ott/MI
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Re: Your morning chuckle.... - Kurt deVries/FL
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NALTEA - Laurie E/MD
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Re: NALTEA - Nils Nelson/ME
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Re: NALTEA - R A/KY
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Vanguard Data Solutions -NON PAYER - Elisabeth Thierstein/CA
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