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Schey v Johnson teardown in Mhead - Leigh Attridge/MA
12/20/2011 4:28:14 PM (4525 views)
Re: Schey v Johnson teardown in Mhead - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2011 10:42:41 AM (2167 views)
Re: Schey v Johnson teardown in Mhead - Leigh Attridge/MA
12/22/2011 3:19:01 PM (2215 views)

Comment on "Rich Bank, Poor Bank" - Source of Title/OH
12/20/2011 1:56:32 PM (2336 views)
Nobody thought about declining real estate values... - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2011 1:56:33 PM (2252 views)
Re: Nobody thought about declining real estate values... - Slade Smith/OH
12/20/2011 3:30:06 PM (2291 views)

Global Data & Need To Know/Search The Nation - Pam Effinger/VA
12/19/2011 12:13:37 PM (2880 views)
Re: Global Data & Need To Know/Search The Nation - Nils Nelson/ME
12/19/2011 2:43:06 PM (2724 views)
Re: Global Data & Need To Know/Search The Nation - Jason Knowles/AL
12/22/2011 10:59:37 AM (2520 views)
Re: Global Data & Need To Know/Search The Nation - Nils Nelson/ME
12/22/2011 11:13:48 AM (2563 views)
Re: Global Data & Need To Know/Search The Nation - Leigh Attridge/MA
12/22/2011 4:59:07 PM (2517 views)
Re: Global Data & Need To Know/Search The Nation - Jessica Talley/FL
12/23/2011 9:39:42 AM (2679 views)

Email Scam Heads-Up - Scott Perry/PA
12/17/2011 12:22:53 PM (3861 views)
Re: Email Scam Heads-Up - Slade Smith/OH
12/17/2011 6:55:46 PM (2456 views)

Rethinking How the Law is Taught - Leigh Attridge/MA
12/17/2011 8:07:18 AM (3914 views)




If you wonder why I sound frustrated when you call me...... - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
12/15/2011 3:43:26 PM (2478 views)

Rush for Gas Rights Ignites Battle for Control of Land - Leigh Attridge/MA
12/14/2011 5:18:05 PM (4204 views)
Re: Rush for Gas Rights Ignites Battle for Control of Land - Scott Perry/PA
12/17/2011 12:40:26 PM (2166 views)

Dodd-Frank and QRM's - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
12/13/2011 2:22:35 PM (2865 views)
Re: Dodd-Frank and QRM's - Slade Smith/OH
12/13/2011 6:07:17 PM (2577 views)
Re: Dodd-Frank and QRM's - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
12/13/2011 8:16:35 PM (2561 views)
Re: Dodd-Frank and QRM's - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
12/13/2011 8:17:47 PM (2468 views)

Comment on "PA Government Official Arrested for Lying about Connection to Title Company" - Source of Title/OH
12/12/2011 12:47:41 PM (2529 views)
Depends on the definition of Conflict - Jeffrey Land/NJ
12/12/2011 12:47:41 PM (3752 views)
I figured the relationship might be something like that... - Slade Smith/OH
12/12/2011 2:18:38 PM (4142 views)

Strategic Defaults - What's good for American Airlines might be good for borrowers - Leigh Attridge/MA
12/12/2011 10:24:24 AM (4036 views)
Re: Strategic Defaults - What's good for American Airlines might be good for borrowers - Robert Franco/OH
12/12/2011 12:01:40 PM (2455 views)
Re: Strategic Defaults - What's good for American Airlines might be good for borrowers - Slade Smith
12/12/2011 12:14:58 PM (2374 views)

This is kind of a two-wrongs-make-a-right argument.  If you don't think it's right that a corporation weasels out of debts that it could and should pay, I don't see how you can justify it when an underwater homeowner does it.

Moreover, (and take this with a grain of salt, because I have not closely examined the AMR bankruptcy) I think the AMR bankruptcy is probably more defensible than a true strategic default-- where the borrower has plenty of income and a positive net worth, but simply chooses not to pay the mortgage.  While AMR may have enough cash to meet all their obligations for a short period of time, doing so would likely leave the company in a position where it would simply have to be shuttered, costing tens of thousands of people their jobs.  By declaring bankruptcy before that point is reached, the enterprise is likely salvageable, saving jobs. In the case of the positive net worth strategic defaulter, their decision is merely to benefit themselves at the expense of the lender.

One thing that I believe needs to be done is to legalize mortgage cramdowns in bankruptcy.  The fact that homeowners can't get relief from their mortgage debt in bankruptcy creates a mismatch between the set of people who truly need relief from their debts and those who can get it.

I don't necessarily think that legal cramdowns would cause everybody with an underwater mortgage to file for bankruptcy.  If cramdowns were legal, then I think banks would be far more likely to approve modifications and short sales for fear that the homeowner would declare bankruptcy and leave the fate of the mortgage in the hands of a bankruptcy judge.  So many underwater homeowners would not have to file for bankruptcy but they would still be helped by the possibility of a cramdown. 

Bankruptcy would be able to distinguish between strategic defaulters with a lot of wealth and strategic defaulters who have a negative net worth because of how much they are underwater.  I do not approve of strategic defaults, but I really do not consider it to be a strategic default in case when the borrower has just enough income to make their mortgage payment but is put into a negative net worth situation because of the underwater mortgage.  In these cases, the borrower is trapped in the home and the underwater mortgage will be a burden for years and years.  These are cases where the borrower should have the option of bankruptcy but currently doesn't. 

It's a wholly separate situation when the underwater borrower has plenty of income and wealth and they strategically default.  I think that is morally wrong and should not be encouraged.  One thing that could deter this kind of strategic defaulter is if banks had stronger recourse to collect deficiencies after foreclosure.  Perhaps there could be a tradeoff between cramdowns and recourse laws such that those whose mortgage was a legitimate burden could get relief in bankruptcy, but those with a lot of wealth would have no way out of the debt.

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Mortgage Deficiencies - Victoria Moate/NJ
2/20/2012 7:54:00 PM (2102 views)
Re: Mortgage Deficiencies - Slade Smith/OH
2/21/2012 3:30:27 PM (2095 views)
Mortgage Deficiencies - Clarification - Victoria Moate/NJ
2/21/2012 10:42:24 PM (4497 views)
Re: Mortgage Deficiencies - Clarification - Slade Smith/OH
2/21/2012 11:57:46 PM (1969 views)
Re: Mortgage Deficiencies - Clarification - Robert Franco/OH
2/22/2012 8:44:58 AM (1948 views)

Multifunction Printers/Scanners - F P/VA
12/12/2011 9:31:43 AM (2853 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Leigh Attridge/MA
12/12/2011 10:32:32 AM (2646 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Leigh Attridge
12/12/2011 10:32:35 AM (2569 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Serena Stout/VA
12/12/2011 11:06:38 AM (2514 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - F P/VA
12/13/2011 7:03:58 AM (2459 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Heather Seymour/IN
12/12/2011 11:12:05 AM (5491 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Alix Ott/MI
12/13/2011 10:17:13 AM (2389 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - F P/VA
12/13/2011 8:51:55 PM (2695 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Marian Littleton/VA
12/15/2011 10:54:30 AM (2729 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Phil McLean/CO
12/18/2011 11:30:56 AM (2362 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Alix Ott/MI
12/19/2011 8:38:46 AM (2241 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Brenda Palmer/TN
12/19/2011 2:34:17 AM (2316 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Paul Miller/MA
12/19/2011 8:18:00 AM (2304 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Robert Franco/OH
12/19/2011 9:45:27 AM (2255 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Bill Zimmerman/VA
12/20/2011 12:14:06 AM (2408 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Ron McPherson/IA
12/20/2011 2:27:31 AM (2235 views)
Re: Multifunction Printers/Scanners - Helene/GA
12/22/2011 9:29:59 PM (2361 views)

Slightly Off-Topic...Read At Your Own Risk - Scott Perry/PA
12/11/2011 1:16:06 AM (3816 views)

title insurance "bundled" or flat rates - Sally Tamborski/OH
12/9/2011 8:44:11 AM (2576 views)

Liability Question - Nils Nelson/ME
12/8/2011 3:58:09 PM (2632 views)
Re: Liability Question - Wyatt Bell/FL
12/9/2011 10:31:20 AM (2374 views)
Re: Liability Question - Nils Nelson/ME
12/9/2011 12:45:30 PM (2275 views)
Re: Liability Question - Robert Franco/OH
12/9/2011 11:47:10 AM (2292 views)
Re: Liability Question - Nils Nelson/ME
12/9/2011 12:47:19 PM (2329 views)

Realty Data - Dan Zook/NY
12/8/2011 12:00:31 PM (2416 views)


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