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Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 10:41:11 AM (3537 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - rod hefner/KS
10/26/2011 11:11:47 AM (3899 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 3:40:25 PM (3830 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - rod hefner/KS
10/27/2011 7:33:55 AM (3968 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions Kudos for Rod Hefner - Kym/NJ
11/2/2011 10:15:26 AM (4035 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Denise DeMattei/CA
10/26/2011 12:57:08 PM (3795 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/26/2011 1:32:02 PM (3750 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 3:45:05 PM (3898 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 3:43:03 PM (3718 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/26/2011 4:14:54 PM (3770 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/27/2011 9:20:39 AM (4125 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/27/2011 4:26:42 PM (4177 views)
Envelope Icon - great for email! - Kym/NJ
11/2/2011 10:16:59 AM (3559 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Tony Costa/LA
10/31/2011 8:18:17 AM (3633 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Kym/NJ
11/2/2011 10:20:42 AM (3655 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Greg Weiss/IL
10/31/2011 7:51:54 PM (3693 views)

Congratulations Are In Order - Patrick Scott/IL
10/25/2011 8:45:54 PM (2375 views)

Surprise on Refi Revamp: Key Regulator Agrees to Reforms - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/25/2011 3:21:38 PM (4102 views)

Comment on "NAR: Existing Home Sales Edge Down in September" - Source of Title/OH
10/25/2011 2:24:02 AM (2041 views)

Comment on "Breaking the Tie-- or Not" - Source of Title/OH
10/24/2011 8:01:51 PM (2824 views)
What about the document numbers? - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/24/2011 8:01:52 PM (3755 views)
CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:42:38 PM (3684 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
10/24/2011 10:05:29 PM (3698 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/25/2011 5:44:23 AM (7442 views)
Re: CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 2:17:42 AM (3626 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/26/2011 3:21:37 AM (3641 views)
lien priority is your answer - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 3:01:26 PM (3801 views)
But L.A. is Different... - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/31/2011 8:23:32 AM (3578 views)

I worked in Los Angeles for about 10 years and Los Angeles has (or had) some unique recording issues that were different than any other county in the state, and they had their own solutions.  For example,

1) Los Angeles records many more than 5,000 docs a day.  It was between 15,000 and 20,000 a day when they were busy and around 10,000 on a normal day.

2) About 1/3 to 1/2 of those documents are submitted by the title companies.

3) Los Angeles was the first county in the United States to have a computerized title plant (I learned from someone who's first job was delivering 'punch cards' to or from the posters in the early 60's) - and they applied this to their recording concerns.  So they have had their systems in place for close to 50 years.

When I first started in Los Angeles, coming from much smaller San Mateo county, I mentioned that my last job in San Mateo was to index all my morning recordings for changes before recording and I asked how this was done in Los Angeles.  I was told that it is completely automated.  The plants in L.A. automatically checks all transactions set to record that morning and if there is a possible conflict, they show up in a "fallout" report in the morning for the title officers.  Recordings are then 'pulled' based on that report.  My first question when I read this article was - why did that not happen here?

This next part may have completely changed since Los Angeles went to electronic recordings some years back, but when I was there, L.A. county reserved blocks of numbers for the title company recordings.  By 4:30 A.M. (when title company and county employees showed up and started recording for the day) each service company had their block of numbers assigned that would be for their recordings that day.  Since everyone has the same 8:00 time stamp, and the plant systems are supposed to catch these conflicting recordings, I never heard of this being a problem before.

So, because of their volume, Los Angeles has some complicated recording processes that are unique to Los Angeles.  

But I believe it is commonly understood, like Will said, that if a conflict arises based on the time stamp, then it defaults to sequence of the document numbers.  Ask any title officer in California and I bet you will get the same answer.

"The indexing timestamp does not break ties in California when the recording timestamps of two documents show the exact same time.  Neither mortgage is first, so they both have equal priority, the court ruled."

 

OF COURSE the indexing time stamp does not break ties in California!  Otherwise county recorders would not sit on stacks of IRS liens for two weeks waiting until they had the time to index them.  It has always been first to submit.  But the above statement says nothing about the document numbers - which dogma says should be the tie breaker.  Now I want to look this case up and see if this is even mentioned.  And since I was taught to never trust dogma, I am also curious if there is a statute or precedent regarding document numbers breaking the tie.

Since, in my mind, this is a title company systems issue, I agree with Mr. Smith that the insurers should have split the loss up between themselves - then they should fix the hole in their system.

 

And Mr. Patterson is right about San Francisco!  We have been asking, begging, yelling, threatening, cajoling... the San Francisco County Recorder to keep their index current for over 10 years.  A three week index date in California is insane - not just for Notice of Trustee's Sales, but for Bulk Sales (12 day window), Mechanics liens (30 day window) etc.  The answer they keep giving?  Staff out with the flu, short staffed, really busy, having to train, computers down.  The same issues every government agency and business in world has to deal with.  You are not unique.  This is so frustrating for us.  Sure!  We don't mind being sued for a million dollars because you can't keep your index current!  We're fine with that.  Grrrrrrr!

Mr. Smith, can you give me the case name for this?  I would like to look this one up.

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Re: But L.A. is Different... - Slade Smith/OH
10/31/2011 1:25:11 PM (6174 views)
Re: But L.A. is Different... - William Pattison /CA
11/7/2011 8:16:56 AM (3510 views)




Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kimberly Goode/GA
10/24/2011 12:55:23 PM (3104 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Barbara Bennett/IN
10/24/2011 3:46:44 PM (3908 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:07:39 PM (3869 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Dan Zook/NY
10/26/2011 9:19:37 AM (4749 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kristine Bjorge/OR
3/27/2012 5:14:08 PM (3399 views)

another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:35:44 AM (3432 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:47:17 AM (3994 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:20:36 PM (3866 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anita Backlund/MN
10/26/2011 10:14:45 PM (3658 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Jason Knowles/AL
10/24/2011 3:41:09 PM (3805 views)

What Are Your Thoughts on This - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/22/2011 8:34:17 AM (3230 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Robert Franco/OH
10/22/2011 7:32:43 PM (3770 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Anita Backlund/MN
10/23/2011 11:58:00 AM (3600 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/25/2011 7:50:51 AM (6599 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - john rutledge
10/31/2011 10:10:08 AM (3526 views)

Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:05:29 AM (4347 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - christine hughes/MA
10/24/2011 8:25:56 AM (3911 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/24/2011 9:55:36 AM (4033 views)
Recommendations - William Pattison 
10/24/2011 1:07:40 PM (3601 views)

Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/20/2011 5:52:49 PM (3124 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Nils Nelson/ME
10/20/2011 8:59:50 PM (3920 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 4:39:47 AM (3872 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 7:04:20 AM (3736 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 9:00:44 AM (3681 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:07:50 AM (3928 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/21/2011 9:21:40 AM (3729 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 3:23:28 PM (3697 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:45 PM (3741 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:47 PM (3671 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/23/2011 10:29:23 PM (3720 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/24/2011 9:34:37 AM (3627 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:05:40 PM (3546 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/25/2011 6:53:10 AM (3721 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/25/2011 9:17:12 AM (3610 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/31/2011 7:59:46 AM (3604 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
11/2/2011 6:58:43 AM (3538 views)

Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/20/2011 12:28:47 PM (4932 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2011 1:25:25 PM (3668 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/20/2011 2:38:46 PM (3620 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2011 9:43:50 PM (3651 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Anita Backlund/MN
10/21/2011 1:14:15 PM (3532 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Steve Vinciguerra/NY
10/24/2011 8:56:55 AM (3556 views)

Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/20/2011 10:46:35 AM (4228 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
10/24/2011 1:55:17 PM (3924 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
11/4/2011 6:24:09 PM (3643 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
11/3/2011 4:00:40 PM (3878 views)

The Sweep-It-Under-the-Rug Housing Plan - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 3:19:02 PM (3867 views)

US Century Bank, Florida won TARP loan, now teeters - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:43:08 PM (4089 views)

Comment on "Bevilacqua v. Rodriguez-- Mass. Buyers out of Foreclosure Get the [Mostly] Bad News" - Source of Title/OH
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3190 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3632 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 2:51:57 PM (3567 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:36:51 PM (3495 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Robert Franco
10/24/2011 2:57:47 PM (3563 views)
Other interests - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:29:26 PM (3531 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:44:48 AM (6513 views)


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