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Comment on "Breaking the Tie-- or Not" - Source of Title/OH
10/24/2011 8:01:51 PM (2956 views)
What about the document numbers? - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/24/2011 8:01:52 PM (4092 views)
CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:42:38 PM (4044 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
10/24/2011 10:05:29 PM (4030 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/25/2011 5:44:23 AM (7817 views)
Re: CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 2:17:42 AM (3984 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/26/2011 3:21:37 AM (3985 views)
lien priority is your answer - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 3:01:26 PM (4144 views)

"My" explanation  is the industry standard:  8am setback time is used to assure the marketable title is passed in order to specifically check and verify lien priority WHILE preventing new, unindexed (yet) liens from taking superior position.

 Envision this:  a title company misses the 8am recording deadline and is, for one morning, forced to record 60 documents at the public counter (by check) at 8:15 am, in line with others.  Before those 60 documents can be individually reviewed by the Registrar's staff, the title agent must check the Grantor Grantee Indices of Official Records to ensure that no other liens have recorded in the past few days which is the gap period between title company records and the current county records.  

 In this scenario, 7 members of the public record documents.  Most likely they don't affect the subject 60 documents (which are probably about 25 property transactions).  However, in my scenario, one does and it acquires a 8:04 a.m. time stamp on a $2,000,000 lien.  Furthermore, to add insult to injury, a mechanics lien that has been sitting and awaiting processing in the county's backroom mail bin is picked up by "Larry" and recorded at 8:09 a.m. after he's had his morning coffee and settles down to his routine.  Finally, to really highlight the problem, another title company is recordng another mortgage paper the same morning at 8am.  That 8am mortgage is SAFE as it has a priority of time.  Your late title agent's package is subject wholly to a mortgage, a lien and a mechanics lien.  

This is why it's a race to the counter state:  It makes no sense that two contractors at 4:00 p.m. being served on different counters and getting identical time stamps and one other lien upstairs in the mail processed with the same time stamp are all equal in exact form.  This ruling fails to account for serial  numbers issued in  sequence.  Otherwise, what exactly is the point of issuing numbers in seuqence instead of randomly?

 Also, institutional wrongdoing does not create a lawful custom or tradition:  years of robosigning, forcing minorities to sit on the back of a bus,, or slavery does not legitimize illegal acts, any more than a  service providers' unwillingness to share names between title companies exempts them from liability for claims losses when one goes before another, otherwise I would not have spent 25 years being told by title officers to PULL files from the submission que at 8am, because we found other companies with open orders that needed to be recorded in proper sequence.

 

 

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But L.A. is Different... - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/31/2011 8:23:32 AM (3901 views)
Re: But L.A. is Different... - Slade Smith/OH
10/31/2011 1:25:11 PM (6543 views)
Re: But L.A. is Different... - William Pattison /CA
11/7/2011 8:16:56 AM (3901 views)

Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kimberly Goode/GA
10/24/2011 12:55:23 PM (3268 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Barbara Bennett/IN
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Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:07:39 PM (4220 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Dan Zook/NY
10/26/2011 9:19:37 AM (5115 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kristine Bjorge/OR
3/27/2012 5:14:08 PM (3752 views)

another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:35:44 AM (3590 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:47:17 AM (4365 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:20:36 PM (4234 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anita Backlund/MN
10/26/2011 10:14:45 PM (4008 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Jason Knowles/AL
10/24/2011 3:41:09 PM (4196 views)

What Are Your Thoughts on This - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/22/2011 8:34:17 AM (3384 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Robert Franco/OH
10/22/2011 7:32:43 PM (4102 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Anita Backlund/MN
10/23/2011 11:58:00 AM (3951 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/25/2011 7:50:51 AM (6930 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - john rutledge
10/31/2011 10:10:08 AM (3858 views)

Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:05:29 AM (4519 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - christine hughes/MA
10/24/2011 8:25:56 AM (4296 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/24/2011 9:55:36 AM (4395 views)
Recommendations - William Pattison 
10/24/2011 1:07:40 PM (4009 views)




Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/20/2011 5:52:49 PM (3271 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Nils Nelson/ME
10/20/2011 8:59:50 PM (4316 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 4:39:47 AM (4270 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 7:04:20 AM (4096 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 9:00:44 AM (4056 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:07:50 AM (4318 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/21/2011 9:21:40 AM (4097 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 3:23:28 PM (4087 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:45 PM (4118 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:47 PM (4044 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/23/2011 10:29:23 PM (4088 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/24/2011 9:34:37 AM (3999 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:05:40 PM (3908 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/25/2011 6:53:10 AM (4143 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/25/2011 9:17:12 AM (4012 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/31/2011 7:59:46 AM (3980 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
11/2/2011 6:58:43 AM (3957 views)

Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/20/2011 12:28:47 PM (5120 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2011 1:25:25 PM (4017 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/20/2011 2:38:46 PM (3969 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2011 9:43:50 PM (3998 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Anita Backlund/MN
10/21/2011 1:14:15 PM (3880 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Steve Vinciguerra/NY
10/24/2011 8:56:55 AM (3915 views)

Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/20/2011 10:46:35 AM (4369 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
10/24/2011 1:55:17 PM (4258 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
11/4/2011 6:24:09 PM (3982 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
11/3/2011 4:00:40 PM (4213 views)

The Sweep-It-Under-the-Rug Housing Plan - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 3:19:02 PM (4050 views)

US Century Bank, Florida won TARP loan, now teeters - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:43:08 PM (4267 views)

Comment on "Bevilacqua v. Rodriguez-- Mass. Buyers out of Foreclosure Get the [Mostly] Bad News" - Source of Title/OH
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3358 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3980 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 2:51:57 PM (3881 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:36:51 PM (3842 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Robert Franco
10/24/2011 2:57:47 PM (3913 views)
Other interests - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:29:26 PM (3882 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:44:48 AM (6858 views)

Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 10:03:01 AM (3430 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Susan McKee Shifflett/WV
10/19/2011 11:44:11 AM (4063 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 2:11:07 PM (3996 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:48:56 PM (4069 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:49:01 PM (3981 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jason Knowles/AL
10/19/2011 2:55:08 PM (3860 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 9:03:16 PM (3978 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Stephenie Page/RI
10/21/2011 9:52:39 AM (3926 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:33:12 PM (3860 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jacqueline Buck/NJ
10/24/2011 8:49:13 AM (3874 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jacqueline Buck/NJ
10/24/2011 8:52:42 AM (3845 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 1:16:06 PM (3850 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - lloyd g/NE
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Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/18/2011 10:58:36 PM (4608 views)
Re: Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 4:37:57 AM (3767 views)
Re: Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/19/2011 5:34:13 PM (3677 views)

Mass Court rules on Bevilacqua - & it's ugly for good faith purchasers - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/18/2011 7:46:52 PM (4588 views)
Big news day, thanks for bringing this to my attention - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 4:40:19 AM (3648 views)
Re: Mass Court rules on Bevilacqua - & it's ugly for good faith purchasers - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:32:08 PM (3714 views)

Stewart Title bulletin re compliance with Massachusetts REBA v NREIS decision - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/18/2011 1:30:51 PM (5529 views)
Interesting chain of lawyer efforts across nation - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:52:27 PM (3711 views)
Re: Interesting chain of lawyer efforts across nation - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/24/2011 3:02:21 PM (3612 views)


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