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Service1st, Service 1st, Service First, Valuenet - David Marks/VA
10/29/2011 10:31:22 AM (3186 views)
Re: Service1st, Service 1st, Service First, Valuenet - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/31/2011 10:51:03 AM (4243 views)

Mortgage regulator, Edward DeMarco, at home with criticism - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/27/2011 8:06:31 AM (4172 views)

Comment on "Another Big County Goes After MERS Back Fees" - Source of Title/OH
10/26/2011 7:00:19 PM (3014 views)
MERS - J. H./OH
10/26/2011 7:00:19 PM (6061 views)

Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 10:41:11 AM (3691 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - rod hefner/KS
10/26/2011 11:11:47 AM (4464 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 3:40:25 PM (4369 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - rod hefner/KS
10/27/2011 7:33:55 AM (4541 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions Kudos for Rod Hefner - Kym/NJ
11/2/2011 10:15:26 AM (4597 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Denise DeMattei/CA
10/26/2011 12:57:08 PM (4355 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/26/2011 1:32:02 PM (4288 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 3:45:05 PM (4441 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 3:43:03 PM (4278 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/26/2011 4:14:54 PM (4317 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/27/2011 9:20:39 AM (4675 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/27/2011 4:26:42 PM (4703 views)
Envelope Icon - great for email! - Kym/NJ
11/2/2011 10:16:59 AM (4098 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Tony Costa/LA
10/31/2011 8:18:17 AM (4182 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Kym/NJ
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Re: Rasa Solutions - Greg Weiss/IL
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Congratulations Are In Order - Patrick Scott/IL
10/25/2011 8:45:54 PM (2518 views)




Surprise on Refi Revamp: Key Regulator Agrees to Reforms - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/25/2011 3:21:38 PM (4271 views)

Comment on "NAR: Existing Home Sales Edge Down in September" - Source of Title/OH
10/25/2011 2:24:02 AM (2194 views)

Comment on "Breaking the Tie-- or Not" - Source of Title/OH
10/24/2011 8:01:51 PM (3009 views)
What about the document numbers? - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/24/2011 8:01:52 PM (4286 views)
CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:42:38 PM (4221 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
10/24/2011 10:05:29 PM (4206 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/25/2011 5:44:23 AM (8012 views)
Re: CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 2:17:42 AM (4151 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/26/2011 3:21:37 AM (4172 views)
lien priority is your answer - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 3:01:26 PM (4335 views)
But L.A. is Different... - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/31/2011 8:23:32 AM (4086 views)

I worked in Los Angeles for about 10 years and Los Angeles has (or had) some unique recording issues that were different than any other county in the state, and they had their own solutions.  For example,

1) Los Angeles records many more than 5,000 docs a day.  It was between 15,000 and 20,000 a day when they were busy and around 10,000 on a normal day.

2) About 1/3 to 1/2 of those documents are submitted by the title companies.

3) Los Angeles was the first county in the United States to have a computerized title plant (I learned from someone who's first job was delivering 'punch cards' to or from the posters in the early 60's) - and they applied this to their recording concerns.  So they have had their systems in place for close to 50 years.

When I first started in Los Angeles, coming from much smaller San Mateo county, I mentioned that my last job in San Mateo was to index all my morning recordings for changes before recording and I asked how this was done in Los Angeles.  I was told that it is completely automated.  The plants in L.A. automatically checks all transactions set to record that morning and if there is a possible conflict, they show up in a "fallout" report in the morning for the title officers.  Recordings are then 'pulled' based on that report.  My first question when I read this article was - why did that not happen here?

This next part may have completely changed since Los Angeles went to electronic recordings some years back, but when I was there, L.A. county reserved blocks of numbers for the title company recordings.  By 4:30 A.M. (when title company and county employees showed up and started recording for the day) each service company had their block of numbers assigned that would be for their recordings that day.  Since everyone has the same 8:00 time stamp, and the plant systems are supposed to catch these conflicting recordings, I never heard of this being a problem before.

So, because of their volume, Los Angeles has some complicated recording processes that are unique to Los Angeles.  

But I believe it is commonly understood, like Will said, that if a conflict arises based on the time stamp, then it defaults to sequence of the document numbers.  Ask any title officer in California and I bet you will get the same answer.

"The indexing timestamp does not break ties in California when the recording timestamps of two documents show the exact same time.  Neither mortgage is first, so they both have equal priority, the court ruled."

 

OF COURSE the indexing time stamp does not break ties in California!  Otherwise county recorders would not sit on stacks of IRS liens for two weeks waiting until they had the time to index them.  It has always been first to submit.  But the above statement says nothing about the document numbers - which dogma says should be the tie breaker.  Now I want to look this case up and see if this is even mentioned.  And since I was taught to never trust dogma, I am also curious if there is a statute or precedent regarding document numbers breaking the tie.

Since, in my mind, this is a title company systems issue, I agree with Mr. Smith that the insurers should have split the loss up between themselves - then they should fix the hole in their system.

 

And Mr. Patterson is right about San Francisco!  We have been asking, begging, yelling, threatening, cajoling... the San Francisco County Recorder to keep their index current for over 10 years.  A three week index date in California is insane - not just for Notice of Trustee's Sales, but for Bulk Sales (12 day window), Mechanics liens (30 day window) etc.  The answer they keep giving?  Staff out with the flu, short staffed, really busy, having to train, computers down.  The same issues every government agency and business in world has to deal with.  You are not unique.  This is so frustrating for us.  Sure!  We don't mind being sued for a million dollars because you can't keep your index current!  We're fine with that.  Grrrrrrr!

Mr. Smith, can you give me the case name for this?  I would like to look this one up.

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Re: But L.A. is Different... - Slade Smith/OH
10/31/2011 1:25:11 PM (6746 views)
Re: But L.A. is Different... - William Pattison /CA
11/7/2011 8:16:56 AM (4102 views)

Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kimberly Goode/GA
10/24/2011 12:55:23 PM (3300 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Barbara Bennett/IN
10/24/2011 3:46:44 PM (4436 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:07:39 PM (4400 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Dan Zook/NY
10/26/2011 9:19:37 AM (5275 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kristine Bjorge/OR
3/27/2012 5:14:08 PM (3951 views)

another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:35:44 AM (3627 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:47:17 AM (4512 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:20:36 PM (4397 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anita Backlund/MN
10/26/2011 10:14:45 PM (4170 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Jason Knowles/AL
10/24/2011 3:41:09 PM (4363 views)

What Are Your Thoughts on This - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/22/2011 8:34:17 AM (3413 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Robert Franco/OH
10/22/2011 7:32:43 PM (4258 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Anita Backlund/MN
10/23/2011 11:58:00 AM (4116 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/25/2011 7:50:51 AM (7089 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - john rutledge
10/31/2011 10:10:08 AM (4030 views)

Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:05:29 AM (4551 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - christine hughes/MA
10/24/2011 8:25:56 AM (4457 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/24/2011 9:55:36 AM (4533 views)
Recommendations - William Pattison 
10/24/2011 1:07:40 PM (4161 views)

Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/20/2011 5:52:49 PM (3303 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Nils Nelson/ME
10/20/2011 8:59:50 PM (4503 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 4:39:47 AM (4432 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 7:04:20 AM (4260 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 9:00:44 AM (4213 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:07:50 AM (4476 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/21/2011 9:21:40 AM (4274 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 3:23:28 PM (4253 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:45 PM (4274 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:47 PM (4206 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/23/2011 10:29:23 PM (4255 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/24/2011 9:34:37 AM (4150 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:05:40 PM (4064 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/25/2011 6:53:10 AM (4298 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/25/2011 9:17:12 AM (4198 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/31/2011 7:59:46 AM (4129 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
11/2/2011 6:58:43 AM (4123 views)

Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/20/2011 12:28:47 PM (5153 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2011 1:25:25 PM (4147 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/20/2011 2:38:46 PM (4129 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2011 9:43:50 PM (4143 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Anita Backlund/MN
10/21/2011 1:14:15 PM (4028 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Steve Vinciguerra/NY
10/24/2011 8:56:55 AM (4056 views)

Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/20/2011 10:46:35 AM (4405 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
10/24/2011 1:55:17 PM (4409 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
11/4/2011 6:24:09 PM (4131 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
11/3/2011 4:00:40 PM (4357 views)


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