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Comment on "Breaking the Tie-- or Not" - Source of Title/OH
10/24/2011 8:01:51 PM (2956 views)
What about the document numbers? - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/24/2011 8:01:52 PM (4092 views)
CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:42:38 PM (4044 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
10/24/2011 10:05:29 PM (4030 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/25/2011 5:44:23 AM (7817 views)
Re: CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 2:17:42 AM (3984 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/26/2011 3:21:37 AM (3985 views)
lien priority is your answer - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 3:01:26 PM (4145 views)
But L.A. is Different... - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/31/2011 8:23:32 AM (3901 views)

I worked in Los Angeles for about 10 years and Los Angeles has (or had) some unique recording issues that were different than any other county in the state, and they had their own solutions.  For example,

1) Los Angeles records many more than 5,000 docs a day.  It was between 15,000 and 20,000 a day when they were busy and around 10,000 on a normal day.

2) About 1/3 to 1/2 of those documents are submitted by the title companies.

3) Los Angeles was the first county in the United States to have a computerized title plant (I learned from someone who's first job was delivering 'punch cards' to or from the posters in the early 60's) - and they applied this to their recording concerns.  So they have had their systems in place for close to 50 years.

When I first started in Los Angeles, coming from much smaller San Mateo county, I mentioned that my last job in San Mateo was to index all my morning recordings for changes before recording and I asked how this was done in Los Angeles.  I was told that it is completely automated.  The plants in L.A. automatically checks all transactions set to record that morning and if there is a possible conflict, they show up in a "fallout" report in the morning for the title officers.  Recordings are then 'pulled' based on that report.  My first question when I read this article was - why did that not happen here?

This next part may have completely changed since Los Angeles went to electronic recordings some years back, but when I was there, L.A. county reserved blocks of numbers for the title company recordings.  By 4:30 A.M. (when title company and county employees showed up and started recording for the day) each service company had their block of numbers assigned that would be for their recordings that day.  Since everyone has the same 8:00 time stamp, and the plant systems are supposed to catch these conflicting recordings, I never heard of this being a problem before.

So, because of their volume, Los Angeles has some complicated recording processes that are unique to Los Angeles.  

But I believe it is commonly understood, like Will said, that if a conflict arises based on the time stamp, then it defaults to sequence of the document numbers.  Ask any title officer in California and I bet you will get the same answer.

"The indexing timestamp does not break ties in California when the recording timestamps of two documents show the exact same time.  Neither mortgage is first, so they both have equal priority, the court ruled."

 

OF COURSE the indexing time stamp does not break ties in California!  Otherwise county recorders would not sit on stacks of IRS liens for two weeks waiting until they had the time to index them.  It has always been first to submit.  But the above statement says nothing about the document numbers - which dogma says should be the tie breaker.  Now I want to look this case up and see if this is even mentioned.  And since I was taught to never trust dogma, I am also curious if there is a statute or precedent regarding document numbers breaking the tie.

Since, in my mind, this is a title company systems issue, I agree with Mr. Smith that the insurers should have split the loss up between themselves - then they should fix the hole in their system.

 

And Mr. Patterson is right about San Francisco!  We have been asking, begging, yelling, threatening, cajoling... the San Francisco County Recorder to keep their index current for over 10 years.  A three week index date in California is insane - not just for Notice of Trustee's Sales, but for Bulk Sales (12 day window), Mechanics liens (30 day window) etc.  The answer they keep giving?  Staff out with the flu, short staffed, really busy, having to train, computers down.  The same issues every government agency and business in world has to deal with.  You are not unique.  This is so frustrating for us.  Sure!  We don't mind being sued for a million dollars because you can't keep your index current!  We're fine with that.  Grrrrrrr!

Mr. Smith, can you give me the case name for this?  I would like to look this one up.

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Re: But L.A. is Different... - Slade Smith/OH
10/31/2011 1:25:11 PM (6543 views)
Re: But L.A. is Different... - William Pattison /CA
11/7/2011 8:16:56 AM (3901 views)

Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kimberly Goode/GA
10/24/2011 12:55:23 PM (3268 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Barbara Bennett/IN
10/24/2011 3:46:44 PM (4263 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:07:39 PM (4220 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Dan Zook/NY
10/26/2011 9:19:37 AM (5115 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kristine Bjorge/OR
3/27/2012 5:14:08 PM (3752 views)

another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:35:44 AM (3590 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:47:17 AM (4365 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:20:36 PM (4234 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anita Backlund/MN
10/26/2011 10:14:45 PM (4008 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Jason Knowles/AL
10/24/2011 3:41:09 PM (4196 views)

What Are Your Thoughts on This - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/22/2011 8:34:17 AM (3384 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Robert Franco/OH
10/22/2011 7:32:43 PM (4102 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Anita Backlund/MN
10/23/2011 11:58:00 AM (3951 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/25/2011 7:50:51 AM (6930 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - john rutledge
10/31/2011 10:10:08 AM (3859 views)

Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:05:29 AM (4519 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - christine hughes/MA
10/24/2011 8:25:56 AM (4296 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/24/2011 9:55:36 AM (4395 views)
Recommendations - William Pattison 
10/24/2011 1:07:40 PM (4009 views)




Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/20/2011 5:52:49 PM (3271 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Nils Nelson/ME
10/20/2011 8:59:50 PM (4316 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 4:39:47 AM (4270 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 7:04:20 AM (4096 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 9:00:44 AM (4056 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:07:50 AM (4318 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/21/2011 9:21:40 AM (4097 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 3:23:28 PM (4087 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:45 PM (4118 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:47 PM (4044 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/23/2011 10:29:23 PM (4088 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/24/2011 9:34:37 AM (3999 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:05:40 PM (3908 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/25/2011 6:53:10 AM (4143 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/25/2011 9:17:12 AM (4013 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/31/2011 7:59:46 AM (3980 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
11/2/2011 6:58:43 AM (3957 views)

Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/20/2011 12:28:47 PM (5120 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2011 1:25:25 PM (4017 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/20/2011 2:38:46 PM (3969 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2011 9:43:50 PM (3998 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Anita Backlund/MN
10/21/2011 1:14:15 PM (3880 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Steve Vinciguerra/NY
10/24/2011 8:56:55 AM (3915 views)

Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/20/2011 10:46:35 AM (4369 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
10/24/2011 1:55:17 PM (4258 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
11/4/2011 6:24:09 PM (3982 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
11/3/2011 4:00:40 PM (4213 views)

The Sweep-It-Under-the-Rug Housing Plan - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 3:19:02 PM (4050 views)

US Century Bank, Florida won TARP loan, now teeters - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:43:08 PM (4267 views)

Comment on "Bevilacqua v. Rodriguez-- Mass. Buyers out of Foreclosure Get the [Mostly] Bad News" - Source of Title/OH
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3358 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3980 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 2:51:57 PM (3881 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:36:51 PM (3842 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Robert Franco
10/24/2011 2:57:47 PM (3913 views)
Other interests - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:29:26 PM (3882 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:44:48 AM (6858 views)

Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 10:03:01 AM (3430 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Susan McKee Shifflett/WV
10/19/2011 11:44:11 AM (4063 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 2:11:07 PM (3996 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:48:56 PM (4069 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:49:01 PM (3981 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jason Knowles/AL
10/19/2011 2:55:08 PM (3860 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 9:03:16 PM (3978 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Stephenie Page/RI
10/21/2011 9:52:39 AM (3926 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:33:12 PM (3860 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jacqueline Buck/NJ
10/24/2011 8:49:13 AM (3874 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jacqueline Buck/NJ
10/24/2011 8:52:42 AM (3845 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 1:16:06 PM (3850 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - lloyd g/NE
3/20/2012 5:48:47 PM (3440 views)

Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/18/2011 10:58:36 PM (4608 views)
Re: Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 4:37:57 AM (3767 views)
Re: Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/19/2011 5:34:13 PM (3677 views)

Mass Court rules on Bevilacqua - & it's ugly for good faith purchasers - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/18/2011 7:46:52 PM (4588 views)
Big news day, thanks for bringing this to my attention - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 4:40:19 AM (3648 views)
Re: Mass Court rules on Bevilacqua - & it's ugly for good faith purchasers - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:32:08 PM (3714 views)

Stewart Title bulletin re compliance with Massachusetts REBA v NREIS decision - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/18/2011 1:30:51 PM (5529 views)
Interesting chain of lawyer efforts across nation - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:52:27 PM (3711 views)
Re: Interesting chain of lawyer efforts across nation - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/24/2011 3:02:21 PM (3612 views)


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