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Totally Convinced - Nils Nelson/ME
5/11/2010 5:02:29 PM (4009 views)
Re: Totally Convinced - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
5/11/2010 7:00:27 PM (3082 views)
Re: Totally Convinced - mike skene/CA
5/11/2010 10:37:36 PM (3123 views)
Re: Totally Convinced - K C/NJ
5/12/2010 8:27:05 AM (3157 views)
Re: Totally Convinced - Amy Jensen/OR
5/13/2010 2:15:29 PM (3011 views)
Re: Totally Convinced - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
5/13/2010 7:24:53 PM (2882 views)
Re: Totally Convinced - Nils Nelson/ME
5/13/2010 9:24:39 AM (2898 views)
Contrary - William Pattison /CA
5/13/2010 11:50:21 AM (2952 views)
Re: Contrary - Nils Nelson/ME
5/13/2010 11:55:50 AM (2889 views)
Re: Contrary - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/13/2010 5:28:23 PM (2935 views)
Re: Contrary - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
5/13/2010 7:18:40 PM (2803 views)
Re: Contrary - Nils Nelson/ME
5/13/2010 8:31:04 PM (2902 views)
Re: Totally Convinced - Nils Nelson/ME
5/14/2010 9:20:30 AM (2869 views)
Re: Totally Convinced-Really big ones - george Hubka/MI
5/14/2010 8:06:31 PM (2785 views)
Re: Totally Convinced-Really big ones - Nils Nelson/ME
5/14/2010 9:07:14 PM (2798 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - K C/NJ
5/17/2010 8:30:13 PM (2837 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - Nils Nelson/ME
5/17/2010 9:26:45 PM (2782 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - George Booth/OH
5/27/2010 12:37:02 AM (2839 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - Slade Smith/OH
5/27/2010 1:16:37 PM (2830 views)
Not so much of a rebuttal, just an additional point - Amy Jensen/OR
5/27/2010 1:28:36 PM (2714 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/27/2010 2:36:00 PM (2639 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - george Hubka/MI
5/27/2010 8:09:22 PM (2745 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/28/2010 7:23:38 AM (2811 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - george Hubka/MI
5/28/2010 1:11:49 PM (2803 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - George Booth/OH
5/28/2010 2:55:52 PM (2669 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/28/2010 4:47:55 PM (2714 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - george Hubka/MI
5/30/2010 7:47:51 PM (2769 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - Jessica Talley/NJ
6/1/2010 7:04:03 AM (2712 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - george Hubka/MI
6/2/2010 8:05:11 AM (2747 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - Jessica Talley/NJ
6/2/2010 1:36:32 PM (2574 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - Clanci Nelson/OH
6/2/2010 5:13:40 PM (2558 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - Amy/OR
6/2/2010 7:10:05 PM (2621 views)
Re: Totally Convinced FINE EXAMPLE - Amy Jensen/OR
6/3/2010 7:11:56 PM (2684 views)

How would you handle this? - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
5/11/2010 4:26:31 PM (3713 views)
Re: How would you handle this? - Robert Franco/OH
5/11/2010 4:39:48 PM (2690 views)
Re: How would you handle this? - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
5/11/2010 6:59:39 PM (2750 views)
Re: How would you handle this? - Shari Lee  Beynon/FL
5/16/2010 9:16:48 PM (2591 views)
Re: How would you handle this? - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
5/17/2010 11:20:23 AM (2406 views)
Re: How would you handle this? - Clanci Nelson/OH
6/2/2010 5:22:00 PM (2370 views)
Re: How would you handle this? - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
6/2/2010 11:16:28 PM (2409 views)

Creative Title - RICK PERRY/TN
5/10/2010 12:19:26 PM (2998 views)

FYI Ga Abstractors - Fee Increase - Helene /GA
5/7/2010 10:04:18 PM (4235 views)
Re: FYI Ga Abstractors - Fee Increase - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2010 9:38:16 AM (2745 views)
Re: FYI Ga Abstractors - Fee Increase - Nils Nelson/ME
5/8/2010 11:31:36 AM (2902 views)
Re: FYI Ga Abstractors - Fee Increase - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/9/2010 9:20:34 PM (2714 views)
Re: FYI Ga Abstractors - Fee Increase - Nils Nelson/ME
5/9/2010 11:12:03 PM (2774 views)
Re: FYI Ga Abstractors - Fee Increase - Mark Mauldin/GA
5/10/2010 7:42:31 AM (2678 views)
Re: FYI Ga Abstractors - Fee Increase - Ray Young/GA
5/10/2010 7:54:38 AM (2739 views)
Re: FYI Ga Abstractors - Fee Increase - Kristi Lee/NE
5/10/2010 9:37:24 AM (2633 views)
Re: FYI Ga Abstractors - Fee Increase - Nils Nelson/ME
5/10/2010 9:58:09 AM (2871 views)
Re: FYI Ga Abstractors - Fee Increase - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/10/2010 11:24:04 AM (2675 views)
Re: FYI Ga Abstractors - Fee Increase - Helene /GA
5/11/2010 10:31:23 PM (2756 views)
Re: FYI Ga Abstractors - Fee Increase - Robert Franco/OH
5/12/2010 10:26:51 AM (2681 views)

US Title Corporation Knoxville Tn - Louise Jackson/SC
5/7/2010 6:07:41 PM (4684 views)
Re: US Title Corporation Knoxville Tn - P Parrish/AL
5/8/2010 6:29:41 PM (3071 views)
Re: US Title Corporation Knoxville Tn - Louise Jackson/SC
5/9/2010 6:24:45 PM (3247 views)
Re: US Title Corporation Knoxville Tn - Brenda Palmer/TN
5/10/2010 4:44:28 AM (3030 views)
Re: US Title Corporation Knoxville Tn - Louise Jackson/SC
5/10/2010 7:15:18 AM (2961 views)
Re: US Title Corporation Knoxville Tn - Virginia Capps/TN
5/11/2010 6:07:59 PM (2865 views)
Re: US Title Corporation Knoxville Tn - Brenda Palmer/TN
5/12/2010 4:59:46 PM (2880 views)
Re: US Title Corporation Knoxville Tn - Becky Alder-Loree/TN
5/13/2010 4:35:26 PM (2885 views)
Re: US Title Corporation Knoxville Tn - george Hubka/MI
5/13/2010 11:11:48 PM (2725 views)
Re: US Title Corporation Knoxville Tn - Becky Alder-Loree/TN
5/17/2010 11:45:19 AM (2693 views)
Re: US Title Corporation Knoxville Tn - george Hubka/MI
5/17/2010 8:44:51 PM (2772 views)
Re: US Title Corporation Knoxville Tn - Virginia Capps/TN
5/17/2010 10:54:08 PM (2944 views)


Real Title Services


Title report forms - Ray Young/GA
5/7/2010 4:51:42 PM (3722 views)
Re: Title report forms - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/21/2010 4:29:26 PM (2614 views)
Re: Title report forms - David Fagen/IL
10/12/2013 4:31:02 AM (1018 views)
Re: Title report forms - Ray Young/GA
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Suffolk County Abstract - Marte Smith/WI
5/7/2010 8:59:48 AM (3722 views)
Re: Suffolk County Abstract - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/7/2010 12:13:24 PM (3052 views)
Re: Suffolk County Abstract - Marte Smith/WI
5/7/2010 2:07:43 PM (2918 views)
Re: Suffolk County Abstract - Donna Stovall/NY
5/10/2010 5:49:31 PM (3120 views)
Re: Suffolk County Abstract - Marte Smith/WI
5/10/2010 6:20:40 PM (2959 views)

Vision Land Service on Fed list...Sharon Howard is clueless why - William Case/TN
5/6/2010 4:58:59 PM (6665 views)
Re: Vision Land Service on Fed list...Sharon Howard is clueless why - Slade Smith/OH
5/6/2010 5:16:03 PM (3120 views)
Re: Vision Land Service on Fed list...Sharon Howard is clueless why - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
5/6/2010 9:26:56 PM (2982 views)

Crawford County Kansas - K C/NJ
5/6/2010 12:31:20 PM (3416 views)

  My name is Ryan, I'm the vendor manager at Abstractopia, and I just wanted to let all you searchers out there know that if you are tired of having your prices haggled down to nearly nothing, apparently Crawford County Kansas is the place to go!  

  We had an order out there, and I will keep the company who did it for us anonymous -  just a regular current owner, nothing crazy.  I called around a few places (this county seemed pretty remote judging by the amount of searchers listed on SOT), and finally found a contact who would do the search.  The receptionist quoted me 200 dollars plus copies.  Ouch, but sometimes (especially out there in KS) there isn't much you can do about it.  So we sent the order over and didn't think much of it until the next day.
 
  I opened up an email and it looked like just a monthly invoice (it being the end of the month, we've seen quite a few of these).  It was one order for 325 dollars, so I assumed it was for some of the commercial work we do.  However I recognized the order number as the Crawford County order (everyone who has had a real headache of an order knows how some numbers stick in your head).  The charge of 200 dollars was their base fee.  Then there was a 75 dollar "24 month chain fee".  24 month chain is a pretty standard requirement from all of our clients, and (working in 20 states) I have never seen an additional fee for this.  To add insult to financial injury, they only pulled one deed for us, and it was in 1999.  So if we had sent this order over without the "24 month chain of title" requirement, we would have gotten the same order, at 75 dollars cheaper (which this abstractor happily admitted).  The next item on the invoice was a 50 dollar "copy charge".  "Goodness!" I thought, thinking that I must have mistakenly ordered full copies, or that there were 50 judgments against this guy.  Not the case.  There were full copy mortgages (the order sheet states we only need pertinent pages), and a deed.  They totaled about 24 pages.  Wow, about two dollars a page for copies?  Not too shabby.  We actually used 12 - $4 per page.
 
  So I called the abstractor to see what was going on with this extra 125 dollars in fees.  The receptionist informed me that she "had no way of knowing what pertinent pages we would need so they pulled all the pages".  Now our order sheets clearly state what pages we need.  Then the owner came on the phone and after a bit of civil conversation, dropped most of the erroneous fees (although he never dropped the attitude).  He cited that they charge $50 in copies "because, you know, some of these searches have 5 deeds and full mortgage copies" which was similar to his argument regarding the 24 month chain charge as "well, there can be a lot of deeds to go past two years."  Our simple search met neither requirement.
 
  Now my problem isn't that he wanted to charge this much for his services, my problem is that he tried to slip them in there on the sly.  This is the exact same tactic people hate when they get their car fixed, or on their cell phone plans.  We hear a lot on this site about Title Companies and Vendor Managers out there trying to get everything for less than what it's worth, but this is on the opposite end of the spectrum.  An abstractor taking advantage of the situation because they know they have a monopoly or they just think adding $125 to their quote is okay and we won't notice?  How do you expect to ever get another order from the same company again with these tactics?
 
PS:  If there are any good KS searchers out there, please feel free to email me your coverage at ryan@abstractopia.com. We look for good communication, accurate ETA’s, and a sense of humor never hurts!  Integrity and ethics are a must.
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Re: Crawford County Kansas - Robert Franco/OH
5/6/2010 3:48:43 PM (2819 views)
Re: Crawford County Kansas - K C/NJ
5/6/2010 4:03:55 PM (3012 views)
Re: Crawford County Kansas - Slade Smith/OH
5/6/2010 4:27:02 PM (4239 views)
Re: Crawford County Kansas - K C/NJ
5/6/2010 4:31:23 PM (2933 views)
Re: Crawford County Kansas - Patrick Scott/IL
5/6/2010 9:36:18 PM (3025 views)
Re: Crawford County Kansas - K C/NJ
5/6/2010 10:01:40 PM (2901 views)
Re: Crawford County Kansas - Robert Franco/OH
5/6/2010 10:58:23 PM (2820 views)
Re: Crawford County Kansas - george Hubka/MI
5/7/2010 3:05:10 PM (2826 views)
Re: Crawford County Kansas - Deborah Manion/VA
5/7/2010 3:42:27 PM (2861 views)
Re: Crawford County Kansas - Nils Nelson/ME
5/7/2010 5:10:11 PM (2845 views)

Real T Solutions Las Vegas - Joseph Kelley/MO
5/6/2010 8:42:26 AM (11269 views)
Re: Real T Solutions Las Vegas - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/6/2010 10:55:08 AM (4053 views)
Re: Real T Solutions Las Vegas - Sheila Sten/PA
5/6/2010 1:01:17 PM (3476 views)
Re: Real T Solutions Las Vegas - Robert Franco/OH
5/6/2010 3:52:30 PM (3485 views)
Re: Real T Solutions Las Vegas - Sheila Sten/PA
5/6/2010 4:38:39 PM (3570 views)
Re: Real T Solutions Las Vegas - Amy Jensen/OR
5/7/2010 7:16:32 PM (3437 views)
Re: Real T Solutions Las Vegas - Sheila Sten/PA
5/7/2010 10:40:17 PM (3341 views)
Re: Real T Solutions Las Vegas - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2010 9:47:45 AM (3558 views)
Re: Real T Solutions Las Vegas - Sheila Sten/PA
5/8/2010 7:59:38 PM (3478 views)
Re: Real T Solutions Las Vegas - Amy Jensen/OR
5/10/2010 4:12:10 PM (3504 views)
Re: Real T Solutions Las Vegas - Sheila Sten/PA
5/10/2010 4:49:26 PM (5919 views)
Re: Real T Solutions Las Vegas - Amy Jensen/OR
5/10/2010 6:04:03 PM (3546 views)

BridgeWater & Associates, Inc. - William Case/TN
5/5/2010 2:41:17 PM (8738 views)
Re: BridgeWater & Associates, Inc. - Jason Knowles/AL
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Re: BridgeWater & Associates, Inc. - William Case/TN
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Re: BridgeWater & Associates, Inc. - Helene /GA
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Re: BridgeWater & Associates, Inc. - Anthony BROWNN/VA
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Re: BridgeWater & Associates, Inc. - Celia Franklin/GA
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Re: BridgeWater & Associates, Inc. - george Hubka/MI
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Re: BridgeWater & Associates, Inc. - PAULA DEEM  REYNOLDS/FL
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Re: BridgeWater & Associates, Inc. - Anthony BROWNN/VA
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Express National - Las Vegas, NV - Dan Zook/NY
5/5/2010 1:19:28 PM (7516 views)
Re: Express National - Las Vegas, NV - Niari Woods/MN
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Re: Express National - Las Vegas, NV - Dan Zook/NY
5/7/2010 10:35:09 AM (3277 views)
Re: Express National - Las Vegas, NV - Cyril Gonzales, III/LA
5/10/2010 9:08:32 AM (3328 views)
Re: Express National - Las Vegas, NV - Greg Weiss/IL
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Re: Express National - Las Vegas, NV - Nathan Miller/KY
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ALTA MEMBERSHIP INCREASE - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
5/5/2010 12:38:45 PM (3490 views)
Re: ALTA MEMBERSHIP INCREASE - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/5/2010 2:51:01 PM (2819 views)
Re: ALTA MEMBERSHIP INCREASE - Robert Franco/OH
5/5/2010 4:43:08 PM (2720 views)
Re: ALTA MEMBERSHIP INCREASE - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
5/5/2010 6:51:48 PM (2844 views)
Re: ALTA MEMBERSHIP INCREASE - Helene /GA
5/7/2010 9:23:20 PM (2808 views)

First American/ Bank of America Lawsuit-- Copy of First American's answer and counterclaims - Slade Smith/OH
5/5/2010 11:26:33 AM (4388 views)

error code? - monica froese/ME
5/4/2010 7:20:11 PM (3052 views)
Re: error code? - george Hubka/MI
5/4/2010 7:24:37 PM (2680 views)
Re: error code? - Robert Franco/OH
5/4/2010 10:21:28 PM (2828 views)


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