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More fees to advance - Robert Franco/OH
5/13/2009 9:59:18 AM (4569 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Wanda Steudel/OH
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Re: More fees to advance - Jessica Talley/NJ
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Re: More fees to advance - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: More fees to advance - Jean Allen/NC
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Re: More fees to advance - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: More fees to advance - Jean Allen/NC
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Re: More fees to advance - Jessica Talley/NJ
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Re: More fees to advance - Ron McPherson/IA
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Re: More fees to advance - Helene /GA
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Re: More fees to advance - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: More fees to advance - Dorothy Payne/NY
5/14/2009 12:10:40 AM (2350 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Robert Franco/OH
5/14/2009 9:42:35 AM (2404 views)
Re: More fees to advance - William Case/TN
5/14/2009 10:13:52 AM (4178 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Diane Cipa/PA
5/18/2009 11:47:00 AM (2313 views)

Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Bill Jones/NJ
5/12/2009 10:38:46 AM (9295 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Shona Dunning/WY
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Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Barbara Bennett/IN
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Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Kim/WI
5/13/2009 9:34:44 AM (3206 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Mandy Harmon/SC
5/18/2009 3:59:54 PM (2826 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Michele  Peele/NC
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Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Mike Campbell/FL
5/20/2009 3:22:01 PM (3806 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - george Hubka/MI
5/20/2009 8:51:04 PM (3015 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Mike Campbell/FL
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Status - Becky Vigneault/VT
5/11/2009 9:31:54 PM (2769 views)

Carteret Title - Kristi Lee/NE
5/11/2009 11:38:32 AM (3720 views)
Re: Carteret Title - Shona Dunning/WY
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Re: Carteret Title - martha campbell/VA
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Re: Carteret Title - Jean Lurtsema/AK
5/11/2009 10:42:52 PM (2740 views)
Re: Carteret Title - Ron McPherson/IA
5/13/2009 8:36:48 PM (2658 views)

Applied Technology Resources - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
5/8/2009 6:06:33 PM (3480 views)
Re: Applied Technology Resources - Kimberly Gray/AR
5/11/2009 6:41:39 AM (2632 views)
Re: Applied Technology Resources - Mandy Harmon/SC
5/11/2009 12:44:55 PM (2581 views)
Re: Applied Technology Resources - Nils Nelson/ME
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Woman admits taking $3.4M from SP company - George Booth/OH
5/6/2009 10:29:06 PM (4081 views)

Pet Peeves - Jean Allen/NC
5/6/2009 7:12:06 PM (3448 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/6/2009 8:17:09 PM (2613 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Dan Zook/NY
5/7/2009 9:13:42 AM (2552 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2009 6:16:05 PM (2476 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - William Pattison /CA
5/28/2009 1:01:52 PM (2230 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Jean Allen/NC
5/29/2009 9:57:09 PM (2200 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Constance Foye/VA
5/11/2009 12:35:17 PM (2506 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Jean Allen/NC
5/12/2009 9:12:19 AM (2419 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/30/2009 8:10:43 AM (2294 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - george Hubka/MI
6/10/2009 10:57:40 PM (2201 views)

REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Frank NAVARRO/IL
5/6/2009 7:11:32 PM (12733 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2009 6:10:43 PM (3371 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Frank NAVARRO/IL
5/8/2009 6:44:57 PM (3953 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - TS/WI
5/10/2009 12:49:37 AM (3616 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
5/11/2009 7:58:50 AM (3107 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Jean Lurtsema/AK
5/11/2009 10:48:08 PM (3189 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
5/14/2009 8:10:20 AM (3050 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Ellen Maher/MI
6/12/2009 12:29:16 PM (2831 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
6/14/2009 10:25:40 PM (2974 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Wade Briner/MN
6/11/2009 3:44:53 PM (3029 views)

Fidelity/Lawyer/Commonwelath Illegal Breach of Contract - Cheryl Hartzman/PA
5/4/2009 3:30:31 PM (4039 views)
Re: Fidelity/Lawyer/Commonwelath Illegal Breach of Contract - Barbara King/VA
5/11/2009 9:46:58 AM (2623 views)
Re: Fidelity/Lawyer/Commonwelath Illegal Breach of Contract - george Hubka/MI
5/14/2009 8:12:08 AM (2462 views)

New Clients - Mike /KS
5/3/2009 8:19:42 AM (4078 views)
Re: New Clients - monica froese/ME
5/3/2009 9:39:52 PM (2772 views)
Re: New Clients - george Hubka/MI
5/4/2009 7:54:05 AM (2704 views)
Re: New Clients - Robert Franco/OH
5/4/2009 10:50:19 AM (2643 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/4/2009 11:52:50 AM (2689 views)
Re: New Clients - Dan Zook/NY
5/4/2009 1:31:05 PM (2564 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
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Re: New Clients - Constance Foye/VA
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Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/5/2009 8:47:15 AM (2634 views)
Re: New Clients - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/8/2009 12:25:22 AM (2534 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/8/2009 10:40:51 AM (2396 views)
Re: New Clients - martha campbell/VA
5/11/2009 8:44:42 AM (2343 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/11/2009 12:24:12 PM (2316 views)
Re: New Clients - martha campbell/VA
5/11/2009 3:41:38 PM (2395 views)
I did not post about .. - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/11/2009 4:03:12 PM (2294 views)
Re: New Clients - Joseph Weaver/VA
5/11/2009 5:27:48 PM (2394 views)
Re: New Clients - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/8/2009 12:25:26 AM (2442 views)
Re: New Clients - Jennifer Lawrence/AR
5/11/2009 8:14:51 AM (2365 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/13/2009 3:26:27 PM (2425 views)
Re: New Clients - Margaret Haddock/TN
5/11/2009 8:44:18 AM (2368 views)
Re: New Clients - Jason Knowles/AL
5/15/2009 3:36:04 PM (2388 views)
Re: New Clients - William Pattison /CA
5/28/2009 1:09:31 PM (2202 views)

Why don't we charge up front? - Patrick Ridens/CO
5/2/2009 11:34:19 PM (4190 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Chad/OR
5/3/2009 8:23:01 AM (2672 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Alix Ott/MI
5/4/2009 8:03:35 AM (2737 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Patricia Kearney/OH
8/4/2009 9:37:45 AM (2155 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - William Case/TN
5/4/2009 3:20:41 PM (4499 views)

Greetings Patrick:

I do require payment at the time services are rendered with some clients.

If I get an order from someone with whom I have never dealt, and with whom I will probably never deal again, I tell them up front that upon my completion of their work they will be invoiced via PayPal and upon payment of the invoice I will forward my opinion of title.

Invariably three things happen next:

   1. They say that they have never done things that way before. I politely tell them that I understand, but that is how I work with new, out of town, clients.
   2. They then say that they do not have a PayPal account. I remind them that they do not need a PayPal account to pay via PayPal, and direct them to the PayPal site to learn more. They say they will look into it. I figure that half the time they are shopping around for someone else, but then...
   3. They call back and say they will pay via PayPal.

I have done this multiple times. Always with success.

When doing this it is important ...

   1. that you are polite and professional
   2. that you do not project an arrogant "take it or leave it" attitude
   3. that you are ready for their objections with the answers set out above

Since you are usually talking to someone lower on the food chain, and not the ultimate decision maker, remember to...

   1. Be kind, they are doing the best they can with the novel situation you have just presented.
   2. Adopt a helpful attitude and briefly educate him/her about PayPal so they can report back to their superiors knowledgeably.
   3. Point out that you are not requesting money up front. Remind them that they will only be billed upon completion of the work. Assure them that you are raring to go on their project as soon as they give you the word and "times a wastin."
   4. Do what you promise to do and send them the work immediately when they pay.

I do not do this with clients with whom I've developed a good working relationship, but I do monitor their payments carefully.

You take a certain amount of risk here by working without payment up front. However, if they do not pay you as agreed you simply do not send the work. It's better than submitting work that the unknown client uses then never pays you for.

Remember too that in the scenario I am describing, the client does not know you either. You at least take steps to alleviate their fears of the great unknown (namely, YOU) by not requiring payment until you at least purport to have done the work. Additionally, they have the hope of some recourse through PayPal for reimbursement of their payment should you utterly fail to deliver the product you invoiced them for.

There are two other things going for you right now that make it easier to take the PayPal approach I outline above:

   1. In the current fearful economic climate it is understandable for parties who do not know each other to deal with each other more cautiously, even if that means adopting new non-standard methods as long as those methods appear reasonable and secure.
   2. Over the years, in spite of its rather lame name, PayPal has come to symbolize security in internet payments between parties who do not know each other. It is the way to pay for goods and services on the internet. eBay saw this early on. That's why they acquired PayPal in a 1.3 billion dollar stock deal in 2002. A bit of PayPal’s image rubs off on you by using them. Guilt by association you know.

I hope this gives you some food for thought. As I said, I do not use PayPal across the board, but I use it frequently when the situation seems to call for it. It is one more tool for your tool box.

Sincerely,

David Case

wdavidcase.com

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Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Alix Ott/MI
5/11/2009 10:01:43 AM (2392 views)

transactional funding - Chet Mazur/CA
5/2/2009 3:32:46 PM (3380 views)
Good Luck, Dude. - Patrick Scott/IL
5/2/2009 9:49:02 PM (2384 views)
Re: Good Luck, Dude. - Thomas/FL
5/7/2009 8:07:41 PM (2368 views)
Re: Good Luck, Dude. - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2009 6:37:57 PM (2248 views)

National TitleNet - ANTHONY MUZIO/NY
5/1/2009 6:11:42 PM (3383 views)
Re: National TitleNet - Nils Nelson/ME
5/1/2009 6:50:31 PM (2622 views)
Re: National TitleNet - ANTHONY MUZIO/NY
5/1/2009 6:59:34 PM (2546 views)

Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Dan Zook/NY
5/1/2009 12:52:19 PM (3372 views)
Re: Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Nils Nelson/ME
5/1/2009 6:47:37 PM (2570 views)
Re: Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Dorothy Payne/NY
5/1/2009 7:20:07 PM (2516 views)
Thank you! - Dan Zook/NY
5/4/2009 11:12:27 AM (2319 views)

Reliant Info Source - Dan Zook/NY
5/1/2009 10:35:01 AM (3046 views)
Re: Reliant Info Source - Nils Nelson/ME
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