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Why don't we charge up front? - Patrick Ridens/CO
5/2/2009 11:34:19 PM (4814 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Chad/OR
5/3/2009 8:23:01 AM (3931 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Alix Ott/MI
5/4/2009 8:03:35 AM (4032 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Patricia Kearney/OH
8/4/2009 9:37:45 AM (3381 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - William Case/TN
5/4/2009 3:20:41 PM (5878 views)

Greetings Patrick:

I do require payment at the time services are rendered with some clients.

If I get an order from someone with whom I have never dealt, and with whom I will probably never deal again, I tell them up front that upon my completion of their work they will be invoiced via PayPal and upon payment of the invoice I will forward my opinion of title.

Invariably three things happen next:

   1. They say that they have never done things that way before. I politely tell them that I understand, but that is how I work with new, out of town, clients.
   2. They then say that they do not have a PayPal account. I remind them that they do not need a PayPal account to pay via PayPal, and direct them to the PayPal site to learn more. They say they will look into it. I figure that half the time they are shopping around for someone else, but then...
   3. They call back and say they will pay via PayPal.

I have done this multiple times. Always with success.

When doing this it is important ...

   1. that you are polite and professional
   2. that you do not project an arrogant "take it or leave it" attitude
   3. that you are ready for their objections with the answers set out above

Since you are usually talking to someone lower on the food chain, and not the ultimate decision maker, remember to...

   1. Be kind, they are doing the best they can with the novel situation you have just presented.
   2. Adopt a helpful attitude and briefly educate him/her about PayPal so they can report back to their superiors knowledgeably.
   3. Point out that you are not requesting money up front. Remind them that they will only be billed upon completion of the work. Assure them that you are raring to go on their project as soon as they give you the word and "times a wastin."
   4. Do what you promise to do and send them the work immediately when they pay.

I do not do this with clients with whom I've developed a good working relationship, but I do monitor their payments carefully.

You take a certain amount of risk here by working without payment up front. However, if they do not pay you as agreed you simply do not send the work. It's better than submitting work that the unknown client uses then never pays you for.

Remember too that in the scenario I am describing, the client does not know you either. You at least take steps to alleviate their fears of the great unknown (namely, YOU) by not requiring payment until you at least purport to have done the work. Additionally, they have the hope of some recourse through PayPal for reimbursement of their payment should you utterly fail to deliver the product you invoiced them for.

There are two other things going for you right now that make it easier to take the PayPal approach I outline above:

   1. In the current fearful economic climate it is understandable for parties who do not know each other to deal with each other more cautiously, even if that means adopting new non-standard methods as long as those methods appear reasonable and secure.
   2. Over the years, in spite of its rather lame name, PayPal has come to symbolize security in internet payments between parties who do not know each other. It is the way to pay for goods and services on the internet. eBay saw this early on. That's why they acquired PayPal in a 1.3 billion dollar stock deal in 2002. A bit of PayPal’s image rubs off on you by using them. Guilt by association you know.

I hope this gives you some food for thought. As I said, I do not use PayPal across the board, but I use it frequently when the situation seems to call for it. It is one more tool for your tool box.

Sincerely,

David Case

wdavidcase.com

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Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Alix Ott/MI
5/11/2009 10:01:43 AM (3643 views)

transactional funding - Chet Mazur/CA
5/2/2009 3:32:46 PM (3838 views)
Good Luck, Dude. - Patrick Scott/IL
5/2/2009 9:49:02 PM (3605 views)
Re: Good Luck, Dude. - Thomas/FL
5/7/2009 8:07:41 PM (3567 views)
Re: Good Luck, Dude. - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2009 6:37:57 PM (3440 views)

National TitleNet - ANTHONY MUZIO/NY
5/1/2009 6:11:42 PM (3857 views)
Re: National TitleNet - Nils Nelson/ME
5/1/2009 6:50:31 PM (3818 views)
Re: National TitleNet - ANTHONY MUZIO/NY
5/1/2009 6:59:34 PM (3757 views)

Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Dan Zook/NY
5/1/2009 12:52:19 PM (3871 views)
Re: Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Nils Nelson/ME
5/1/2009 6:47:37 PM (3840 views)
Re: Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Dorothy Payne/NY
5/1/2009 7:20:07 PM (3844 views)
Thank you! - Dan Zook/NY
5/4/2009 11:12:27 AM (3548 views)

Reliant Info Source - Dan Zook/NY
5/1/2009 10:35:01 AM (3710 views)
Re: Reliant Info Source - Nils Nelson/ME
5/1/2009 11:19:02 AM (3796 views)
Re: Reliant Info Source - Dan Zook/NY
5/1/2009 12:35:49 PM (3694 views)
Re: Reliant Info Source - KRISTI PERRY/ID
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Re: Reliant Info Source - Daedra Nelson/WA
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Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - Edward Huguenin/SC
4/29/2009 8:02:03 PM (4251 views)
Re: Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - Leigh Rampey/SC
4/30/2009 8:10:23 AM (4029 views)
Re: Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - george Hubka/MI
5/1/2009 10:20:25 PM (3672 views)
Re: Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - Edward Huguenin/SC
7/19/2009 1:05:20 PM (3428 views)
Re: Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - george Hubka/MI
8/9/2009 10:28:53 PM (3520 views)

forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Diane Cipa/PA
4/27/2009 3:06:02 PM (6110 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Patrick Scott/IL
4/27/2009 10:26:47 PM (3741 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Diane Cipa/PA
4/28/2009 11:56:52 AM (3765 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Patrick Scott/IL
4/28/2009 12:34:18 PM (3638 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Diane Cipa/PA
4/29/2009 1:08:58 PM (3582 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Robert Franco/OH
4/29/2009 2:41:30 PM (3649 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Diane Cipa/PA
4/29/2009 3:38:14 PM (3695 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Robert Franco/OH
4/29/2009 4:16:37 PM (3722 views)

NALTEA Certified Abstractor Seminar - Jeanine Johnson/MN
4/27/2009 12:05:36 PM (4980 views)

Info on Pro Title USA - george Hubka/MI
4/26/2009 3:21:45 PM (15790 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Lance Whitmore/MN
4/27/2009 8:19:34 AM (8974 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Sean  Barrett /RI
4/27/2009 8:41:07 AM (5671 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Kurt deVries/FL
4/27/2009 11:02:49 AM (5079 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - george Hubka/MI
4/27/2009 10:06:54 PM (4794 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Bill Jones/NJ
4/29/2009 6:10:19 AM (5851 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Michele  Peele/NC
5/18/2009 8:33:07 PM (7116 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - babu reddy/CA
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Ameristar Payment - jess barker/IL
4/25/2009 10:19:04 AM (5137 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Nils Nelson/ME
4/26/2009 10:47:34 PM (4257 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Susan/WI
4/27/2009 9:07:12 AM (4154 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Alix Ott/MI
4/27/2009 11:12:39 AM (3881 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/27/2009 11:59:21 AM (3943 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Deanna Clayton/VA
5/5/2009 10:29:48 AM (3980 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Stephen Williams/MO
5/5/2009 5:53:52 PM (4015 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Jean Lurtsema/AK
5/11/2009 10:39:26 PM (3797 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - J Nisonger/CA
5/13/2009 6:32:04 PM (3669 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Jean Lurtsema/AK
2/2/2011 11:00:34 AM (3595 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Jodi Dutile/MO
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Re: Ameristar Payment - jane guiles/AL
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Visionet Systems - Carl Ashford/CO
4/24/2009 6:02:23 PM (6658 views)
Re: Visionet Systems - Dorothy Payne/NY
4/26/2009 11:58:43 AM (4325 views)

Homeowners Rush to Refinance... - Susan /WI
4/23/2009 4:05:22 PM (5170 views)
Re: Homeowners Rush to Refinance... - Patrick Scott/IL
4/24/2009 12:34:38 AM (3781 views)
Re: Homeowners Rush to Refinance... - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/24/2009 12:21:32 PM (3795 views)
Re: Homeowners Rush to Refinance... - Donna Stovall/NY
4/27/2009 6:46:58 AM (3678 views)
Re: Homeowners Rush to Refinance... - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/6/2009 8:26:14 PM (3527 views)

Need your help - Randall Johnston/TX
4/21/2009 10:53:32 AM (3700 views)
Re: Need your help - Alix Ott/MI
4/22/2009 4:53:16 PM (3679 views)
Re: Need your help - Eric Mattson/WV
6/1/2009 2:55:23 AM (3307 views)

Company Info - Randall Johnston/TX
4/21/2009 12:49:00 AM (3072 views)

Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Glenda Hodge/TN
4/20/2009 7:57:29 PM (4183 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Dan Zook/NY
4/21/2009 9:24:53 AM (4263 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Robert Franco/OH
4/21/2009 9:50:38 AM (5863 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Glenda Hodge/TN
4/21/2009 10:05:22 AM (3854 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Helene /GA
4/22/2009 9:53:59 PM (3836 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Alix Ott/MI
4/27/2009 11:05:09 AM (3555 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/27/2009 12:02:11 PM (3707 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Alix Ott/MI
4/27/2009 12:06:52 PM (3605 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/27/2009 12:17:50 PM (3663 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Alix Ott/MI
4/28/2009 8:45:40 AM (3602 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Norean Cashwell/GA
5/2/2009 12:35:19 PM (3529 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Helene /GA
5/4/2009 9:05:50 AM (3528 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Helene /GA
5/5/2009 7:01:50 PM (3633 views)


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