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Pet Peeves - Jean Allen/NC
5/6/2009 7:12:06 PM (3999 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/6/2009 8:17:09 PM (4172 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Dan Zook/NY
5/7/2009 9:13:42 AM (4024 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2009 6:16:05 PM (3974 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - William Pattison /CA
5/28/2009 1:01:52 PM (3732 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Jean Allen/NC
5/29/2009 9:57:09 PM (3746 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Constance Foye/VA
5/11/2009 12:35:17 PM (4155 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Jean Allen/NC
5/12/2009 9:12:19 AM (3899 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/30/2009 8:10:43 AM (3819 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - george Hubka/MI
6/10/2009 10:57:40 PM (3770 views)

REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Frank NAVARRO/IL
5/6/2009 7:11:32 PM (13640 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2009 6:10:43 PM (4902 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Frank NAVARRO/IL
5/8/2009 6:44:57 PM (5433 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - TS/WI
5/10/2009 12:49:37 AM (5185 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
5/11/2009 7:58:50 AM (4736 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Jean Lurtsema/AK
5/11/2009 10:48:08 PM (4680 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
5/14/2009 8:10:20 AM (4519 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Ellen Maher/MI
6/12/2009 12:29:16 PM (4361 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
6/14/2009 10:25:40 PM (4555 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Wade Briner/MN
6/11/2009 3:44:53 PM (4519 views)

Fidelity/Lawyer/Commonwelath Illegal Breach of Contract - Cheryl Hartzman/PA
5/4/2009 3:30:31 PM (4651 views)
Re: Fidelity/Lawyer/Commonwelath Illegal Breach of Contract - Barbara King/VA
5/11/2009 9:46:58 AM (4270 views)
Re: Fidelity/Lawyer/Commonwelath Illegal Breach of Contract - george Hubka/MI
5/14/2009 8:12:08 AM (3930 views)

New Clients - Mike /KS
5/3/2009 8:19:42 AM (4605 views)
Re: New Clients - monica froese/ME
5/3/2009 9:39:52 PM (4272 views)
Re: New Clients - george Hubka/MI
5/4/2009 7:54:05 AM (4206 views)
Re: New Clients - Robert Franco/OH
5/4/2009 10:50:19 AM (4140 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/4/2009 11:52:50 AM (4210 views)
Re: New Clients - Dan Zook/NY
5/4/2009 1:31:05 PM (4064 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/7/2009 5:37:42 PM (3978 views)
Re: New Clients - Constance Foye/VA
5/12/2009 6:39:45 PM (3846 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/5/2009 8:47:15 AM (4101 views)
Re: New Clients - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/8/2009 12:25:22 AM (3964 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/8/2009 10:40:51 AM (3901 views)
Re: New Clients - martha campbell/VA
5/11/2009 8:44:42 AM (3854 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/11/2009 12:24:12 PM (3841 views)
Re: New Clients - martha campbell/VA
5/11/2009 3:41:38 PM (3853 views)
I did not post about .. - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/11/2009 4:03:12 PM (3779 views)
Re: New Clients - Joseph Weaver/VA
5/11/2009 5:27:48 PM (3856 views)
Re: New Clients - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/8/2009 12:25:26 AM (3884 views)
Re: New Clients - Jennifer Lawrence/AR
5/11/2009 8:14:51 AM (3789 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/13/2009 3:26:27 PM (3925 views)
Re: New Clients - Margaret Haddock/TN
5/11/2009 8:44:18 AM (3884 views)
Re: New Clients - Jason Knowles/AL
5/15/2009 3:36:04 PM (3841 views)
Re: New Clients - William Pattison /CA
5/28/2009 1:09:31 PM (3635 views)

Why don't we charge up front? - Patrick Ridens/CO
5/2/2009 11:34:19 PM (4895 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Chad/OR
5/3/2009 8:23:01 AM (4085 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Alix Ott/MI
5/4/2009 8:03:35 AM (4187 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Patricia Kearney/OH
8/4/2009 9:37:45 AM (3519 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - William Case/TN
5/4/2009 3:20:41 PM (6048 views)

Greetings Patrick:

I do require payment at the time services are rendered with some clients.

If I get an order from someone with whom I have never dealt, and with whom I will probably never deal again, I tell them up front that upon my completion of their work they will be invoiced via PayPal and upon payment of the invoice I will forward my opinion of title.

Invariably three things happen next:

   1. They say that they have never done things that way before. I politely tell them that I understand, but that is how I work with new, out of town, clients.
   2. They then say that they do not have a PayPal account. I remind them that they do not need a PayPal account to pay via PayPal, and direct them to the PayPal site to learn more. They say they will look into it. I figure that half the time they are shopping around for someone else, but then...
   3. They call back and say they will pay via PayPal.

I have done this multiple times. Always with success.

When doing this it is important ...

   1. that you are polite and professional
   2. that you do not project an arrogant "take it or leave it" attitude
   3. that you are ready for their objections with the answers set out above

Since you are usually talking to someone lower on the food chain, and not the ultimate decision maker, remember to...

   1. Be kind, they are doing the best they can with the novel situation you have just presented.
   2. Adopt a helpful attitude and briefly educate him/her about PayPal so they can report back to their superiors knowledgeably.
   3. Point out that you are not requesting money up front. Remind them that they will only be billed upon completion of the work. Assure them that you are raring to go on their project as soon as they give you the word and "times a wastin."
   4. Do what you promise to do and send them the work immediately when they pay.

I do not do this with clients with whom I've developed a good working relationship, but I do monitor their payments carefully.

You take a certain amount of risk here by working without payment up front. However, if they do not pay you as agreed you simply do not send the work. It's better than submitting work that the unknown client uses then never pays you for.

Remember too that in the scenario I am describing, the client does not know you either. You at least take steps to alleviate their fears of the great unknown (namely, YOU) by not requiring payment until you at least purport to have done the work. Additionally, they have the hope of some recourse through PayPal for reimbursement of their payment should you utterly fail to deliver the product you invoiced them for.

There are two other things going for you right now that make it easier to take the PayPal approach I outline above:

   1. In the current fearful economic climate it is understandable for parties who do not know each other to deal with each other more cautiously, even if that means adopting new non-standard methods as long as those methods appear reasonable and secure.
   2. Over the years, in spite of its rather lame name, PayPal has come to symbolize security in internet payments between parties who do not know each other. It is the way to pay for goods and services on the internet. eBay saw this early on. That's why they acquired PayPal in a 1.3 billion dollar stock deal in 2002. A bit of PayPal’s image rubs off on you by using them. Guilt by association you know.

I hope this gives you some food for thought. As I said, I do not use PayPal across the board, but I use it frequently when the situation seems to call for it. It is one more tool for your tool box.

Sincerely,

David Case

wdavidcase.com

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Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Alix Ott/MI
5/11/2009 10:01:43 AM (3826 views)




transactional funding - Chet Mazur/CA
5/2/2009 3:32:46 PM (3885 views)
Good Luck, Dude. - Patrick Scott/IL
5/2/2009 9:49:02 PM (3774 views)
Re: Good Luck, Dude. - Thomas/FL
5/7/2009 8:07:41 PM (3720 views)
Re: Good Luck, Dude. - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2009 6:37:57 PM (3594 views)

National TitleNet - ANTHONY MUZIO/NY
5/1/2009 6:11:42 PM (3901 views)
Re: National TitleNet - Nils Nelson/ME
5/1/2009 6:50:31 PM (3948 views)
Re: National TitleNet - ANTHONY MUZIO/NY
5/1/2009 6:59:34 PM (3896 views)

Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Dan Zook/NY
5/1/2009 12:52:19 PM (3930 views)
Re: Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Nils Nelson/ME
5/1/2009 6:47:37 PM (3976 views)
Re: Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Dorothy Payne/NY
5/1/2009 7:20:07 PM (3980 views)
Thank you! - Dan Zook/NY
5/4/2009 11:12:27 AM (3687 views)

Reliant Info Source - Dan Zook/NY
5/1/2009 10:35:01 AM (3742 views)
Re: Reliant Info Source - Nils Nelson/ME
5/1/2009 11:19:02 AM (3925 views)
Re: Reliant Info Source - Dan Zook/NY
5/1/2009 12:35:49 PM (3824 views)
Re: Reliant Info Source - KRISTI PERRY/ID
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Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - Edward Huguenin/SC
4/29/2009 8:02:03 PM (4290 views)
Re: Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - Leigh Rampey/SC
4/30/2009 8:10:23 AM (4151 views)
Re: Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - george Hubka/MI
5/1/2009 10:20:25 PM (3797 views)
Re: Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - Edward Huguenin/SC
7/19/2009 1:05:20 PM (3560 views)
Re: Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - george Hubka/MI
8/9/2009 10:28:53 PM (3645 views)

forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Diane Cipa/PA
4/27/2009 3:06:02 PM (6154 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Patrick Scott/IL
4/27/2009 10:26:47 PM (3859 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Diane Cipa/PA
4/28/2009 11:56:52 AM (3892 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Patrick Scott/IL
4/28/2009 12:34:18 PM (3771 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Diane Cipa/PA
4/29/2009 1:08:58 PM (3708 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Robert Franco/OH
4/29/2009 2:41:30 PM (3775 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Diane Cipa/PA
4/29/2009 3:38:14 PM (3823 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Robert Franco/OH
4/29/2009 4:16:37 PM (3852 views)

NALTEA Certified Abstractor Seminar - Jeanine Johnson/MN
4/27/2009 12:05:36 PM (5017 views)

Info on Pro Title USA - george Hubka/MI
4/26/2009 3:21:45 PM (15831 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Lance Whitmore/MN
4/27/2009 8:19:34 AM (9098 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Sean  Barrett /RI
4/27/2009 8:41:07 AM (5800 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Kurt deVries/FL
4/27/2009 11:02:49 AM (5207 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - george Hubka/MI
4/27/2009 10:06:54 PM (4924 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Bill Jones/NJ
4/29/2009 6:10:19 AM (5980 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Michele  Peele/NC
5/18/2009 8:33:07 PM (7242 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - babu reddy/CA
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Ameristar Payment - jess barker/IL
4/25/2009 10:19:04 AM (5167 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Nils Nelson/ME
4/26/2009 10:47:34 PM (4390 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Susan/WI
4/27/2009 9:07:12 AM (4288 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Alix Ott/MI
4/27/2009 11:12:39 AM (4017 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/27/2009 11:59:21 AM (4083 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Deanna Clayton/VA
5/5/2009 10:29:48 AM (4121 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Stephen Williams/MO
5/5/2009 5:53:52 PM (4139 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Jean Lurtsema/AK
5/11/2009 10:39:26 PM (3926 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - J Nisonger/CA
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Visionet Systems - Carl Ashford/CO
4/24/2009 6:02:23 PM (6702 views)
Re: Visionet Systems - Dorothy Payne/NY
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