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nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/5/2009 8:59:26 AM (3625 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
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Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Jessica Talley/NJ
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Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/9/2009 2:44:32 PM (3609 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Robert Franco/OH
2/9/2009 2:52:37 PM (3557 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/9/2009 3:15:32 PM (3436 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - cindy thomas/NY
2/9/2009 5:02:31 PM (5967 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - nXt Generation Title Services, LLC/FL
2/10/2009 10:52:31 AM (3483 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/12/2009 2:42:56 PM (3400 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Clanci Nelson/OH
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mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/4/2009 3:48:02 PM (3362 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 3:51:15 PM (3429 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
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Re: mortgage fraud - J Nisonger/CA
2/7/2009 4:00:55 PM (3328 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/8/2009 4:18:20 PM (3238 views)

Off the beaten path - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
2/3/2009 10:36:52 PM (3276 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
2/3/2009 11:31:49 PM (3492 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 10:42:36 AM (3432 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 10:52:16 AM (3476 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 11:18:23 AM (3341 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/5/2009 4:48:33 PM (3376 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/5/2009 7:43:44 PM (5935 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 10:09:45 AM (3165 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/6/2009 11:53:54 AM (3231 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 12:44:49 PM (3110 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/6/2009 1:51:09 PM (3133 views)
Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/9/2009 1:09:11 PM (3372 views)

Scott,

Your answers are really not supporting your position.

First, the fact that only "new items" would be subject to the tax is just another reason why a national sales tax would not work.  To take a look at an industry already stuggling, the auto industry, your plan would make our current economic situation even worse.  The government is already trying to provide tax credits for purchasing automobiles.  If only new autos are taxes under your plan, who would not opt to buy a used car when the savings would be 30% MORE?  Your plan would drive up the used car prices and still not address the underlying problem we are currently facing - nobody is buying new cars. If people don't buy new items because they are 30% more than used items, the economy would suffer drastically.  And, it would hurt the people with less money who would be paying more for used cars.  This holds true of any goods - not just cars.

Second, you don't seem concerned that burgleries and theft woudl increase dramatically.  The criminals you say would begin paying tax on their toys assumes they would buy these items new... fact is they are criminals and they would steal them - and have even a new source of revenue on the black market.  The increase cost of crime on society would be huge.... higher insurance prices for all of us, and higher prices on all goods to make up for losses caused by theft.

Third, your explanation of the effect on those with Roth IRAs is not really an answer.  The fact is that these people paid the income tax on that money already and they would be paying a 30% tax on that money again when they draw the money out to spend it.  That doesn't seem very fair for something called the "Fair Tax."  Sure, they would pay some taxes anyway... but nothing near the 30% you want to charge them.

Fourth, you seem to think that the rich are stupid and they will continue to spend lavishly in the face of a 30% national sales tax.  Quite arguably, the rich became rich by saving and spending wisely.  If they can buy used porsches, yachts, and jets, they will do so.  And, don't forget that the most coveted items among the rich, antiques and artwork, are all by their very nature "used items" that, according to you, will not be taxed.  The rich will simply change their spending habits to take the best advantage of your plan.  They won't be the cash cow that you imagine them to be.

Fifth, you seem to miss the point regarding the overall effect on the economy.  There is a big difference between the current income tax and your plan.  In a recession, we need consumer spending to create jobs and economic growth.  With your plan, there is an incentive to save, not spend, which is especially true in poor economic times.  How do you spur the economy with a national sales tax?  You need consumer spending, but have tax system that penalizes those who spend.

Sixth, you didn't address the major flaw in the "Fair Tax"... it is NOT fair.  It will cost the middle class MORE in taxes.  The graduated income tax provides a lower rate on the first dollars earned.  It starts at only 10% and gradually rises to about 36%.  With a national sales tax, those who make between $30,000 and $200,000 will be paying 30% on every dollar they spend, since most in that category spend all of their income, they will be paying the maximum amount from the beginning and they lose out of the beneftis of the lower rates provided by the graduated income tax.

Those who can save - will save.  Those who can't save will shoulder the majority of the tax burden in this country.  The rich will get richer, the middle class will get poorer, and the poor won't pay taxes in either tax system.

You seem to have bought into the hype that a consumption tax is a "fair" tax... just because someone decided to call it the "Fair Tax" doesn't change the nature of it.  It is not inherently any more fair than the graduated income tax - it is a consumption tax that hits hardest those who consume the most as a percentage of their income.  Since those with lower incomes spend the largest percent of their incomes, they will be the real losers under your plan.

And you are really wrong when it comes to which provides the more stabile base - that is certainly not a consumption tax.  In lean times, it is easy to cut back on spending - or at least to cut back on spending on "new items," which you claim will be the only category of goods to be taxed.  Thus, the nation would suffer from decreased revenue when it needs it the most.

We could argue this forever... but the simple fact is that the majority of economists and politicians do not consider the consumption tax to be a viable alternative.  It will not happen. As I have said, if we were to try, we would end up trying to phase in a consumption tax and the income tax would never go away - we would have both.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Still makes no sense.... - Scott Perry/PA
2/10/2009 3:26:30 AM (3146 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/10/2009 9:59:16 AM (3143 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
2/11/2009 1:07:54 PM (3105 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/11/2009 1:43:23 PM (3068 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/11/2009 4:48:23 PM (3101 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/12/2009 12:46:38 AM (3047 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Douglas Gallant/OH
2/11/2009 5:06:23 PM (3081 views)
As I Was Saying... - Scott Perry/PA
2/16/2009 12:14:21 AM (3109 views)
Re: As I Was Saying... - Robert Franco/OH
2/16/2009 11:56:29 AM (3200 views)
Re: Commercial Activity Tax... - Robert Franco/OH
2/16/2009 3:04:27 PM (5678 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/6/2009 4:45:51 PM (3231 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/6/2009 6:17:30 AM (3147 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 10:03:24 AM (3165 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 10:47:54 AM (3323 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 11:06:18 AM (3151 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:10:33 AM (3113 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 11:31:26 AM (3186 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Off the beaten path - Barbara Bennett/IN
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Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:21:39 AM (3153 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/5/2009 4:25:01 PM (3254 views)

reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michael Lanin/KY
2/3/2009 1:20:18 PM (3136 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
2/3/2009 2:25:20 PM (3590 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michelle/IL
2/4/2009 1:18:59 PM (3211 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - J Nisonger/CA
2/5/2009 10:00:22 PM (3343 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michael Lanin/KY
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Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/12/2009 2:18:17 PM (3023 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
2/17/2009 9:17:45 AM (3077 views)

Title Assurance & Indemnity Corp. of NA Cleveland, OH - MIchael Lanin/KY
2/3/2009 1:01:36 PM (2400 views)


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The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Edward Huguenin/SC
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What is considered slow pay? - no name/MI
1/30/2009 12:50:38 PM (3150 views)
Re: What is considered slow pay? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 12:59:33 PM (3424 views)
Re: What is considered slow pay? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Probate Question - Helene /GA
1/29/2009 11:50:27 PM (3038 views)
Re: Probate Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 6:52:39 AM (3564 views)
Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Robert Franco/OH
1/30/2009 9:28:41 AM (3606 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 10:01:35 AM (3347 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Helene /GA
1/30/2009 10:38:14 PM (3326 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Douglas Gallant/OH
1/31/2009 8:27:20 AM (3346 views)

Preview of Coming Attractions? - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 10:53:59 PM (4753 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 11:22:02 PM (3574 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 11:58:37 PM (3413 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 8:07:42 AM (3598 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/30/2009 8:15:04 AM (3645 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/30/2009 8:16:02 AM (3515 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Alix Ott/MI
2/2/2009 2:10:27 PM (3319 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 8:46:02 AM (3498 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 12:55:40 PM (3302 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - michael quinn/NY
2/1/2009 1:09:50 AM (3278 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/1/2009 6:01:27 AM (3417 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - WAYNE QUICK/NC
2/2/2009 6:16:26 PM (3340 views)

The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 2:56:14 PM (3345 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Kim Cowles/WI
1/29/2009 2:59:08 PM (3514 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
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Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/29/2009 6:58:44 PM (3399 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Barbara Kelley/PA
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Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
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Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Anthony Joseph/TX
2/4/2009 8:22:07 AM (3507 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - george Hubka/MI
2/25/2009 6:04:15 AM (3072 views)

MONEY OWED - quinn cioffi/PA
1/28/2009 2:38:15 PM (3370 views)
Re: MONEY OWED - Laurie E/MD
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Re: MONEY OWED - george Hubka/MI
2/24/2009 6:51:47 PM (3104 views)

New Real Estate Numbers Are Out - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/28/2009 2:25:36 PM (4103 views)

Snow Day! - Robert Franco/OH
1/28/2009 12:39:37 PM (3035 views)
Re: Snow Day! - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
1/28/2009 12:45:16 PM (3460 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Nils Nelson/ME
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Re: Snow Day! - Joanie Hahr/VT
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Re: Snow Day! - Glenda Hodge/TN
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Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
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Re: Snow Day! - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/29/2009 3:36:29 PM (3271 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Snow Day! - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/30/2009 3:55:14 PM (3560 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
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Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/31/2009 10:30:35 AM (3342 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/31/2009 12:36:02 PM (3270 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/31/2009 3:42:38 PM (3353 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/31/2009 3:44:38 PM (3253 views)

NALTEA - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/28/2009 12:13:09 PM (2833 views)
Re: NALTEA - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA
1/28/2009 1:05:51 PM (3408 views)
Re: NALTEA - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/28/2009 9:54:56 PM (3302 views)

Buckeye Land Abstract - Sybil East/GA
1/27/2009 12:54:18 PM (3184 views)


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