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Beware of Mid-Atlantic Title - Bruce Murch/VA
10/15/2008 10:20:46 PM (3729 views)
Re: Beware of Mid-Atlantic Title - Helene /GA
10/15/2008 11:27:06 PM (4040 views)
Re: Beware of Mid-Atlantic Title - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 10:02:04 AM (3977 views)

Can we file liens? - Kurt deVries/FL
10/15/2008 10:09:00 AM (3549 views)
Re: Can we file liens? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/15/2008 10:29:51 AM (4098 views)

Pro Title - Barbara Kelley/PA
10/15/2008 8:32:12 AM (3653 views)
Re: Pro Title - Thomas Conrad/PA
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Re: Pro Title - judith fitzgerald/HI
10/19/2008 11:45:51 PM (4387 views)
Re: Pro Title - Kurt deVries/FL
10/22/2008 11:21:49 AM (4131 views)

Oil&Gas-Mineral - Kevin Curtiss/AL
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Re: Oil&Gas-Mineral - Christine Sheeler/PA
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Re: Oil&Gas-Mineral - Alix Ott/MI
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Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - JOSEPH EMERSON/MN
10/14/2008 3:50:43 PM (4458 views)
Re: Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/14/2008 6:05:27 PM (5101 views)
Re: Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - Constance Foye/VA
10/20/2008 9:42:36 AM (4408 views)
Re: Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - michele greenspan/NY
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Ireport contest-vote for us! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 2:00:11 PM (5006 views)
Re: Ireport contest-vote for us! - michael quinn/NY
10/21/2008 11:22:42 PM (4076 views)

Examnet - shame on us! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 1:55:48 PM (4103 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Robert Franco/OH
10/14/2008 2:28:40 PM (4343 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/14/2008 2:51:13 PM (4354 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Arlene Nelson/NY
10/14/2008 3:19:44 PM (4357 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/14/2008 3:56:03 PM (4470 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/14/2008 4:03:11 PM (4364 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Robert Franco/OH
10/15/2008 1:23:23 PM (6270 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Shaun Dente/OH
10/15/2008 2:02:39 PM (4210 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 2:14:43 PM (4124 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - G L/FL
10/15/2008 2:38:31 PM (4191 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 4:09:30 PM (4200 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Robert Franco/OH
10/15/2008 7:02:19 PM (4217 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - . APS/NY
10/15/2008 8:11:50 PM (4055 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Helene /GA
10/15/2008 11:18:45 PM (4022 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 9:57:49 AM (4004 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/16/2008 11:21:51 AM (4152 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 11:35:37 AM (4123 views)
I retract my critique ... - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 12:11:11 PM (4113 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Robert Franco/OH
10/16/2008 12:23:58 PM (4127 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 12:48:24 PM (4019 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/16/2008 12:54:17 PM (4058 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 12:58:52 PM (4098 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/16/2008 2:28:25 PM (4063 views)
Open can worms...please let's not - Jay Duncan/MO
10/16/2008 2:42:05 PM (3971 views)
Re: Open can worms...please let's not - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2008 2:51:35 PM (4090 views)
Last Words - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2008 10:47:17 AM (4094 views)
Re: Last Words - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/17/2008 3:18:35 PM (4027 views)
Re: Last Words - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2008 5:03:25 PM (3910 views)
Re: Last Words - . APS/NY
10/17/2008 8:00:18 PM (3987 views)
Re: Last Words - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/18/2008 2:36:58 AM (3944 views)
Re: Last Words - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/18/2008 8:06:58 AM (3993 views)
Re: Last Words - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/18/2008 8:51:29 AM (4037 views)
Re: Last Words - Robert Franco/OH
10/18/2008 12:39:33 PM (3906 views)
Re: Last Words - . APS/NY
10/18/2008 1:45:33 PM (3923 views)
Re: Last Words - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/18/2008 9:27:06 PM (3915 views)
Re: Last Words - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/20/2008 4:06:00 PM (3958 views)
Re: Last Words - Michelle/IL
10/20/2008 4:11:29 PM (3988 views)
Re: Last Words - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/20/2008 4:20:46 PM (3930 views)
Re: Last Words - michael quinn/NY
10/21/2008 11:56:59 PM (3826 views)
Re: Last Words - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/22/2008 11:09:17 AM (3866 views)
Re: Last Words - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/20/2008 5:14:03 PM (3844 views)
Re: Open can worms...please let's not - J Nisonger/CA
10/18/2008 11:02:56 PM (4009 views)
Re: Open can worms...please let's not - Jay Duncan/MO
10/19/2008 3:50:54 PM (3988 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 4:11:03 PM (3985 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/14/2008 6:25:37 PM (4118 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - george Hubka/MI
10/14/2008 11:06:23 PM (3937 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/14/2008 11:47:14 PM (4030 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/15/2008 10:04:51 AM (4037 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - . APS/NY
10/15/2008 12:21:11 PM (3827 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/15/2008 1:41:44 PM (3843 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Louise Jackson/SC
11/7/2008 9:29:57 AM (3552 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
11/7/2008 2:48:24 PM (3607 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/15/2008 12:36:22 PM (3713 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/27/2008 7:40:05 AM (3591 views)

National 1 Source - Joyce/NM
10/14/2008 11:48:56 AM (3708 views)
Re: National 1 Source - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 2:03:27 PM (4560 views)
Re: National 1 Source - Joyce/NM
10/14/2008 2:07:17 PM (4639 views)
Re: National 1 Source - JOSEPH EMERSON/MN
10/14/2008 4:11:46 PM (4437 views)
Re: National 1 Source - JOSEPH MARTINEZ/NM
10/20/2008 12:33:01 PM (4417 views)

Collection Agencies - Danielle Nelson/WI
10/10/2008 5:06:18 PM (3607 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - . APS/NY
10/13/2008 9:55:16 PM (4419 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2008 5:33:02 AM (4367 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - DIANA NYTKO/CT
10/20/2008 11:14:57 AM (4173 views)

two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/8/2008 8:03:45 PM (3833 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Patrick Scott/IL
10/8/2008 11:02:35 PM (4946 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/9/2008 5:17:27 PM (4710 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Ellen Maher/MI
10/9/2008 6:14:54 PM (4658 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Jay Duncan/MO
10/9/2008 8:42:09 PM (4687 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/9/2008 10:50:05 PM (4756 views)

I ordered a full title search - 60 years, not a property report.

The abstractor did not provide a copy of the mortgage. The abstractor reports the factual data from the mortgage document. If we need to see the mortgage, we request a copy. In this case, we saw no need to review the document ourselves.

If the abstractor had reviewed the mortgage, they would have noted the incorrect address. I did not mention that there was also an incorrect tax parcel number on the first page.

The seller in our transaction owned two properties on the same street. We insured the purchase of one. The other was lost by the seller in foreclosure.

The two mortgages in question were executed on the same day by the same borrower for the same lender. The two properties were on the same street. The legal descriptions were switched in error.

The mortgage lender's servicing department when they set up the two loans in their system did not check the legal descriptions and so they assigned account numbers to the property addresses shown on the first page of each mortgage.

We followed proper procedure in requesting payoff. In addition to the account number and property address, we included the recording info.

We followed proper procedure when sending the payoff check.
In addition to the account number and property address, we included the recording info.

If the lender had checked the recording info, they would also have noticed a problem, however they did not.

Our check matched the payoff letter which had been issued by the lender. Upon receipt the lender applied it to the account number matching their records and satisfied what they thought was the mortgage against our property.

The HELOC lender ordered a property report from the same abstractor who had done our original full search.

How could this have been avoided? If the abstractor had looked at the mortgage carefully the first time, and noticed the address was wrong, she might have also noticed the other mortgage. In 2004 the same lender owned both mortgages and we could have gotten it straightened out. After we paid off the one mortgage, the other was sold to GMAC who later foreclosed. The mistaken legal description was clearly found in the foreclosure search and the court order correcting the instrument cleared the cloud.

As for indexing, I think the first error would have been easy to catch. As for missing the court order, I am relying upon the response from the abstractor who said she should have got it when she did the property report for the HELOC lender.

I realize this is a confusing scenario. Anytime we run across a problem, I think it's good to talk about it because we all learn to be more careful.

I know there is lots of talk about title agents who won't pay a decent fee or want the abstractor to give only partial searches.

I paid $150 for a full search. I think that's reasonable and I believe this abstractor will be more careful in the future.

I think the entire experience was a great training opportunity, and it had a happy ending.

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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Dan Zook/NY
10/10/2008 9:22:41 AM (4693 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/11/2008 5:15:36 PM (4510 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/10/2008 11:34:02 AM (4685 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Robert Franco/OH
10/10/2008 12:05:36 PM (4750 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Patrick Scott/IL
10/10/2008 12:35:26 PM (4712 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Pattison /CA
10/16/2008 6:07:59 PM (4251 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/16/2008 8:45:36 PM (4307 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/11/2008 5:25:01 PM (4580 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - george Hubka/MI
10/13/2008 3:58:45 AM (4709 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/13/2008 11:04:33 AM (4610 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Scott Perry/PA
10/13/2008 1:41:45 PM (4594 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Hess/AL
10/14/2008 9:08:03 AM (4566 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/14/2008 10:59:32 AM (4395 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Hess/AL
10/14/2008 3:45:03 PM (4511 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/15/2008 12:23:00 PM (4272 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/14/2008 2:26:42 PM (4460 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/14/2008 6:35:41 PM (4450 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Candi Richter/NJ
10/15/2008 7:13:08 AM (4468 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 2:21:36 PM (4427 views)

Source of Title Maintenance Notice - Robert Franco/OH
10/8/2008 10:02:55 AM (3604 views)
Re: Source of Title Maintenance Notice - Robert Franco/OH
10/10/2008 11:49:40 AM (4399 views)

timios inc - John East/AL
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Re: timios inc - monica froese/ME
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Re: timios inc - Brad Bradbury/PA
10/10/2008 9:44:16 AM (4984 views)
Timios inc - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
10/10/2008 12:20:19 PM (7497 views)
Re: timios inc - K Smith/ME
10/14/2008 6:19:16 AM (4924 views)

Your opinions please--paying signing agents up front - Ronda Roaring/NY
10/7/2008 5:24:02 PM (3527 views)
Re: Your opinions please--paying signing agents up front - Diane Cipa/PA
10/8/2008 7:43:19 PM (4571 views)

MS Title - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/7/2008 10:33:53 AM (3612 views)
Re: MS Title - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/8/2008 6:20:42 PM (4661 views)
Re: MS Title - Kenneth Signor/SC
10/14/2008 5:42:18 AM (4490 views)

Contact number for NALTEA - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/6/2008 6:57:06 PM (3288 views)
Re: Contact number for NALTEA - Jay Duncan/MO
10/6/2008 11:25:31 PM (4609 views)


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