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Beware of Mid-Atlantic Title - Bruce Murch/VA
10/15/2008 10:20:46 PM (3724 views)
Re: Beware of Mid-Atlantic Title - Helene /GA
10/15/2008 11:27:06 PM (4038 views)
Re: Beware of Mid-Atlantic Title - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 10:02:04 AM (3975 views)

Can we file liens? - Kurt deVries/FL
10/15/2008 10:09:00 AM (3544 views)
Re: Can we file liens? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/15/2008 10:29:51 AM (4087 views)

Pro Title - Barbara Kelley/PA
10/15/2008 8:32:12 AM (3653 views)
Re: Pro Title - Thomas Conrad/PA
10/16/2008 12:48:34 PM (4272 views)
Re: Pro Title - judith fitzgerald/HI
10/19/2008 11:45:51 PM (4380 views)
Re: Pro Title - Kurt deVries/FL
10/22/2008 11:21:49 AM (4120 views)

Oil&Gas-Mineral - Kevin Curtiss/AL
10/14/2008 8:32:34 PM (3447 views)
Re: Oil&Gas-Mineral - Christine Sheeler/PA
10/15/2008 10:17:37 PM (4576 views)
Re: Oil&Gas-Mineral - Alix Ott/MI
11/20/2008 12:00:48 PM (3920 views)

Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - JOSEPH EMERSON/MN
10/14/2008 3:50:43 PM (4455 views)
Re: Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/14/2008 6:05:27 PM (5090 views)
Re: Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - Constance Foye/VA
10/20/2008 9:42:36 AM (4396 views)
Re: Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - michele greenspan/NY
6/7/2009 3:52:49 PM (4088 views)




Ireport contest-vote for us! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 2:00:11 PM (5004 views)
Re: Ireport contest-vote for us! - michael quinn/NY
10/21/2008 11:22:42 PM (4067 views)

Examnet - shame on us! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 1:55:48 PM (4102 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Robert Franco/OH
10/14/2008 2:28:40 PM (4335 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/14/2008 2:51:13 PM (4344 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Arlene Nelson/NY
10/14/2008 3:19:44 PM (4350 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/14/2008 3:56:03 PM (4462 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/14/2008 4:03:11 PM (4354 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Robert Franco/OH
10/15/2008 1:23:23 PM (6260 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Shaun Dente/OH
10/15/2008 2:02:39 PM (4198 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 2:14:43 PM (4117 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - G L/FL
10/15/2008 2:38:31 PM (4181 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 4:09:30 PM (4194 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Robert Franco/OH
10/15/2008 7:02:19 PM (4207 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - . APS/NY
10/15/2008 8:11:50 PM (4045 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Helene /GA
10/15/2008 11:18:45 PM (4012 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 9:57:49 AM (3998 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/16/2008 11:21:51 AM (4145 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 11:35:37 AM (4114 views)
I retract my critique ... - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 12:11:11 PM (4102 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Robert Franco/OH
10/16/2008 12:23:58 PM (4114 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 12:48:24 PM (4005 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/16/2008 12:54:17 PM (4050 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 12:58:52 PM (4089 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/16/2008 2:28:25 PM (4055 views)
Open can worms...please let's not - Jay Duncan/MO
10/16/2008 2:42:05 PM (3962 views)
Re: Open can worms...please let's not - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2008 2:51:35 PM (4082 views)
Last Words - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2008 10:47:17 AM (4081 views)
Re: Last Words - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/17/2008 3:18:35 PM (4015 views)
Re: Last Words - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2008 5:03:25 PM (3901 views)
Re: Last Words - . APS/NY
10/17/2008 8:00:18 PM (3979 views)
Re: Last Words - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/18/2008 2:36:58 AM (3935 views)
Re: Last Words - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/18/2008 8:06:58 AM (3983 views)
Re: Last Words - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/18/2008 8:51:29 AM (4027 views)
Re: Last Words - Robert Franco/OH
10/18/2008 12:39:33 PM (3897 views)
Re: Last Words - . APS/NY
10/18/2008 1:45:33 PM (3914 views)
Re: Last Words - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/18/2008 9:27:06 PM (3902 views)
Re: Last Words - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/20/2008 4:06:00 PM (3948 views)
Re: Last Words - Michelle/IL
10/20/2008 4:11:29 PM (3976 views)
Re: Last Words - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/20/2008 4:20:46 PM (3920 views)
Re: Last Words - michael quinn/NY
10/21/2008 11:56:59 PM (3817 views)
Re: Last Words - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/22/2008 11:09:17 AM (3854 views)
Re: Last Words - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/20/2008 5:14:03 PM (3833 views)
Re: Open can worms...please let's not - J Nisonger/CA
10/18/2008 11:02:56 PM (3999 views)
Re: Open can worms...please let's not - Jay Duncan/MO
10/19/2008 3:50:54 PM (3977 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 4:11:03 PM (3977 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/14/2008 6:25:37 PM (4109 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - george Hubka/MI
10/14/2008 11:06:23 PM (3932 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/14/2008 11:47:14 PM (4022 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/15/2008 10:04:51 AM (4025 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - . APS/NY
10/15/2008 12:21:11 PM (3816 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/15/2008 1:41:44 PM (3832 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Louise Jackson/SC
11/7/2008 9:29:57 AM (3545 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
11/7/2008 2:48:24 PM (3597 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/15/2008 12:36:22 PM (3700 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/27/2008 7:40:05 AM (3584 views)

National 1 Source - Joyce/NM
10/14/2008 11:48:56 AM (3707 views)
Re: National 1 Source - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 2:03:27 PM (4551 views)
Re: National 1 Source - Joyce/NM
10/14/2008 2:07:17 PM (4631 views)
Re: National 1 Source - JOSEPH EMERSON/MN
10/14/2008 4:11:46 PM (4424 views)
Re: National 1 Source - JOSEPH MARTINEZ/NM
10/20/2008 12:33:01 PM (4405 views)

Collection Agencies - Danielle Nelson/WI
10/10/2008 5:06:18 PM (3607 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - . APS/NY
10/13/2008 9:55:16 PM (4407 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2008 5:33:02 AM (4357 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - DIANA NYTKO/CT
10/20/2008 11:14:57 AM (4163 views)

two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/8/2008 8:03:45 PM (3833 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Patrick Scott/IL
10/8/2008 11:02:35 PM (4937 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/9/2008 5:17:27 PM (4701 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Ellen Maher/MI
10/9/2008 6:14:54 PM (4651 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Jay Duncan/MO
10/9/2008 8:42:09 PM (4676 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/9/2008 10:50:05 PM (4746 views)

I ordered a full title search - 60 years, not a property report.

The abstractor did not provide a copy of the mortgage. The abstractor reports the factual data from the mortgage document. If we need to see the mortgage, we request a copy. In this case, we saw no need to review the document ourselves.

If the abstractor had reviewed the mortgage, they would have noted the incorrect address. I did not mention that there was also an incorrect tax parcel number on the first page.

The seller in our transaction owned two properties on the same street. We insured the purchase of one. The other was lost by the seller in foreclosure.

The two mortgages in question were executed on the same day by the same borrower for the same lender. The two properties were on the same street. The legal descriptions were switched in error.

The mortgage lender's servicing department when they set up the two loans in their system did not check the legal descriptions and so they assigned account numbers to the property addresses shown on the first page of each mortgage.

We followed proper procedure in requesting payoff. In addition to the account number and property address, we included the recording info.

We followed proper procedure when sending the payoff check.
In addition to the account number and property address, we included the recording info.

If the lender had checked the recording info, they would also have noticed a problem, however they did not.

Our check matched the payoff letter which had been issued by the lender. Upon receipt the lender applied it to the account number matching their records and satisfied what they thought was the mortgage against our property.

The HELOC lender ordered a property report from the same abstractor who had done our original full search.

How could this have been avoided? If the abstractor had looked at the mortgage carefully the first time, and noticed the address was wrong, she might have also noticed the other mortgage. In 2004 the same lender owned both mortgages and we could have gotten it straightened out. After we paid off the one mortgage, the other was sold to GMAC who later foreclosed. The mistaken legal description was clearly found in the foreclosure search and the court order correcting the instrument cleared the cloud.

As for indexing, I think the first error would have been easy to catch. As for missing the court order, I am relying upon the response from the abstractor who said she should have got it when she did the property report for the HELOC lender.

I realize this is a confusing scenario. Anytime we run across a problem, I think it's good to talk about it because we all learn to be more careful.

I know there is lots of talk about title agents who won't pay a decent fee or want the abstractor to give only partial searches.

I paid $150 for a full search. I think that's reasonable and I believe this abstractor will be more careful in the future.

I think the entire experience was a great training opportunity, and it had a happy ending.

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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Dan Zook/NY
10/10/2008 9:22:41 AM (4681 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/11/2008 5:15:36 PM (4502 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/10/2008 11:34:02 AM (4674 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Robert Franco/OH
10/10/2008 12:05:36 PM (4738 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Patrick Scott/IL
10/10/2008 12:35:26 PM (4701 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Pattison /CA
10/16/2008 6:07:59 PM (4240 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/16/2008 8:45:36 PM (4297 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/11/2008 5:25:01 PM (4572 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - george Hubka/MI
10/13/2008 3:58:45 AM (4698 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/13/2008 11:04:33 AM (4597 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Hess/AL
10/14/2008 9:08:03 AM (4559 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/14/2008 10:59:32 AM (4386 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Hess/AL
10/14/2008 3:45:03 PM (4504 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/15/2008 12:23:00 PM (4264 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/14/2008 2:26:42 PM (4450 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/14/2008 6:35:41 PM (4438 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Candi Richter/NJ
10/15/2008 7:13:08 AM (4456 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 2:21:36 PM (4418 views)

Source of Title Maintenance Notice - Robert Franco/OH
10/8/2008 10:02:55 AM (3604 views)
Re: Source of Title Maintenance Notice - Robert Franco/OH
10/10/2008 11:49:40 AM (4389 views)

timios inc - John East/AL
10/7/2008 6:28:18 PM (4322 views)
Re: timios inc - monica froese/ME
10/8/2008 6:22:57 PM (4933 views)
Re: timios inc - Brad Bradbury/PA
10/10/2008 9:44:16 AM (4974 views)
Timios inc - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
10/10/2008 12:20:19 PM (7485 views)
Re: timios inc - K Smith/ME
10/14/2008 6:19:16 AM (4912 views)

Your opinions please--paying signing agents up front - Ronda Roaring/NY
10/7/2008 5:24:02 PM (3526 views)
Re: Your opinions please--paying signing agents up front - Diane Cipa/PA
10/8/2008 7:43:19 PM (4558 views)

MS Title - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/7/2008 10:33:53 AM (3612 views)
Re: MS Title - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/8/2008 6:20:42 PM (4651 views)
Re: MS Title - Kenneth Signor/SC
10/14/2008 5:42:18 AM (4482 views)

Contact number for NALTEA - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/6/2008 6:57:06 PM (3287 views)
Re: Contact number for NALTEA - Jay Duncan/MO
10/6/2008 11:25:31 PM (4600 views)


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