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PA people: Have you heard of these guys? - Alix Ott/MI
12/29/2008 1:44:29 PM (3842 views)
Re: PA people: Have you heard of these guys? - george Hubka/MI
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A "thank you & happy new year" to Robert! - Alix Ott/MI
12/29/2008 11:25:10 AM (3462 views)
Re: A "thank you & happy new year" to Robert! - Dan Zook/NY
12/29/2008 11:45:52 AM (4609 views)
Re: A "thank you & happy new year" to Robert! - Glenda Hodge/TN
12/29/2008 11:23:45 PM (4491 views)
Re: A "thank you & happy new year" to Robert! - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2008 2:44:03 PM (4464 views)
Re: A "thank you & happy new year" to Robert! - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/30/2008 9:32:50 AM (4490 views)

Career Dilemma - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2008 9:34:12 AM (3942 views)
Re: Career Dilemma - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/29/2008 5:14:31 PM (4779 views)
Re: Career Dilemma - Robert Franco/OH
12/30/2008 9:39:47 AM (4636 views)
Re: Career Dilemma - Anthony Joseph/TX
12/30/2008 11:10:19 AM (4761 views)

Transtar National Title Beware - James "Lin" Toney/MS
12/24/2008 3:57:44 PM (5492 views)
Re: Transtar National Title Beware - Kyle Steele/FL
12/29/2008 10:56:53 AM (5346 views)
Re: Transtar National Title Beware - James "Lin" Toney/MS
12/29/2008 9:53:26 PM (10525 views)
Re: Transtar National Title Beware - Kyle Steele/FL
1/5/2009 11:04:06 AM (5021 views)
Re: Transtar National Title Beware - James "Lin" Toney/MS
1/5/2009 8:18:02 PM (5192 views)
Re: Transtar National Title Beware - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/30/2008 9:12:52 AM (5064 views)

Title Examiner / Abstractor (Telecommute) - Rebecca Fair/FL
12/23/2008 12:35:51 PM (6389 views)
Whoops...Sorry about the double post. n/m - Rebecca Fair/FL
12/23/2008 2:00:22 PM (4961 views)
Re: Title Examiner / Abstractor (Telecommute) - Kurt deVries/FL
12/26/2008 10:52:39 AM (5029 views)
Re: Title Examiner / Abstractor (Telecommute) - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/26/2008 1:28:15 PM (5369 views)
Re: Title Examiner / Abstractor (Telecommute) - William Pattison /CA
1/12/2009 12:49:15 PM (5312 views)


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Title Examiner / Abstractor (Telecommute) - Rebecca Fair/FL
12/23/2008 12:34:40 PM (7096 views)
Re: Title Examiner / Abstractor (Telecommute) - Patrick Scott/IL
12/23/2008 11:05:39 PM (5014 views)

Field Notes - Ellen Maher/MI
12/23/2008 10:34:35 AM (3732 views)
Re: Field Notes - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2008 10:45:41 AM (4998 views)
Re: Field Notes - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/23/2008 12:27:43 PM (5019 views)
Re: Field Notes - David Keeling/TX
12/29/2008 12:35:08 PM (4958 views)
Re: Field Notes - William Pattison /CA
12/29/2008 1:48:56 PM (4995 views)
Re: Field Notes - Ray Young/GA
1/30/2009 1:00:19 PM (4441 views)

Richard Bolen - Janis Talbot/SC
12/22/2008 10:47:07 AM (3917 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/22/2008 12:11:39 PM (7458 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Edward Huguenin/SC
12/22/2008 4:05:28 PM (5041 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/23/2008 12:42:43 PM (5074 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Janis Talbot/SC
12/26/2008 9:16:57 PM (4969 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Janis Talbot/SC
12/26/2008 9:08:58 PM (5045 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Edward Huguenin/SC
12/27/2008 9:29:25 AM (4896 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/30/2008 9:07:49 AM (4881 views)

GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Joan Howland/CT
12/22/2008 10:00:45 AM (4425 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Nils Nelson/ME
12/22/2008 11:23:15 AM (5249 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - george Hubka/MI
1/24/2009 10:48:31 PM (4980 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/26/2009 1:13:53 PM (4746 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Joan Howland/CT
1/26/2009 5:48:11 PM (4593 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/27/2009 3:33:41 PM (4698 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Joan Howland/CT
1/26/2009 5:49:37 PM (4708 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Donna Stovall/NY
12/29/2008 12:57:08 PM (4868 views)

Give this Christmas gift to your good clients/vendors! - Slade Smith/OH
12/22/2008 7:22:48 AM (3824 views)
Re: Give this Christmas gift to your good clients/vendors! - Dan Zook/NY
12/22/2008 8:48:42 AM (5032 views)
This might take some time ... - Dan Zook/NY
12/22/2008 9:11:48 AM (5102 views)
Re: This might take some time ... - Slade Smith/OH
12/22/2008 5:27:17 PM (4715 views)

New York Title Abstract - Ron McPherson/IA
12/21/2008 8:26:40 PM (3830 views)
Re: New York Title Abstract - Jennifer Coffey/VA
12/23/2008 1:09:32 AM (4995 views)
Re: New York Title Abstract - Ron McPherson/IA
12/23/2008 8:56:06 PM (4985 views)
Re: New York Title Abstract - Julia Walker/KS
1/5/2009 12:29:34 PM (4949 views)
Re: New York Title Abstract - Denise Lippolis /NY
2/28/2009 12:27:39 PM (4735 views)

REFERENCES ON ABG - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
12/18/2008 7:10:05 PM (3823 views)
Re: REFERENCES ON ABG - Jessica Talley/NJ
12/18/2008 8:23:55 PM (4944 views)
Re: REFERENCES ON ABG - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
12/19/2008 10:48:57 AM (4995 views)
Re: REFERENCES ON ABG - Jeffrey Pettit/PA
4/21/2010 10:06:22 AM (4587 views)

Lipstick on a Pig? REVISED POSTING - . APS/NY
12/18/2008 4:04:54 PM (3908 views)
Re: Lipstick on a Pig? REVISED POSTING - Arthur Rosenbaum/PA
12/30/2008 9:55:54 AM (4879 views)

Legacy Title (Indiana) - Barbara Bennett/IN
12/17/2008 7:13:52 PM (4036 views)
Re: Legacy Title (Indiana) - Scott Joest/IN
12/22/2008 10:37:17 AM (4972 views)

Remove Disclaimer ??? - Glenda Hodge/TN
12/17/2008 6:47:39 PM (4236 views)
Hold Your Ground - Scott Perry/PA
12/17/2008 11:21:13 PM (5094 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
12/18/2008 9:52:15 AM (5118 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - MW/IL
12/18/2008 11:51:21 AM (4867 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/19/2008 12:53:07 PM (4754 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/19/2008 10:27:28 AM (5129 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 11:20:50 AM (4742 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
12/19/2008 1:08:43 PM (4728 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 8:00:10 PM (4699 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/19/2008 1:26:48 PM (4758 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 3:17:38 PM (4605 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/20/2008 10:01:23 PM (4443 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/20/2008 10:14:12 PM (4678 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - J Nisonger/CA
12/27/2008 9:32:33 PM (4499 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Patricia Turley/MI
12/22/2008 6:34:06 AM (4683 views)
Is that really necessary? - Robert Franco/OH
12/22/2008 9:54:07 AM (4534 views)
A place for disclaimers - David Bloys/TX
12/22/2008 10:01:16 AM (4977 views)
Re: A place for disclaimers - William Pattison /CA
1/5/2009 12:33:33 PM (4558 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Nils Nelson/ME
12/22/2008 9:41:02 AM (4616 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Janis Talbot/SC
12/22/2008 10:51:09 AM (4613 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - John /FL
12/23/2008 3:41:07 PM (4741 views)
Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 2:08:44 AM (4619 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Dan Zook/NY
12/24/2008 8:44:35 AM (4473 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
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Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 1:21:10 PM (4384 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
12/24/2008 1:46:55 PM (4555 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 2:13:15 PM (4605 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
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Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/26/2008 10:00:55 AM (4351 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Dan Zook/NY
12/29/2008 11:36:35 AM (4392 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2008 11:43:18 AM (4421 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/30/2008 8:56:23 AM (4319 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - John /FL
12/24/2008 12:51:48 PM (4330 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 1:25:51 PM (4490 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - James "Lin" Toney/MS
12/30/2008 7:49:56 PM (4345 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/31/2008 2:49:09 PM (6531 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - stephen willard/OH
1/6/2009 7:17:22 AM (4346 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/6/2009 9:34:34 AM (4506 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/6/2009 5:02:27 PM (4232 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/7/2009 3:01:26 AM (4519 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/7/2009 12:39:23 PM (4281 views)

You bring up some good points.  It does appear that having E&O insurance makes you a "deep pocket" and may make it more likely that a client will go after you for your mistakes.  But, if you have assets (i.e., a home) you could still be sued and, without E&O, you could lose them.  We really haven't seen it happen much in the past, but with the huge losses the underwriters are facing they could start looking to collect from the abstractors who cause their losses.  The fact that the client has E&O insurance does not prevent you from getting sued.  When their E&O carrier pays the claim, they acquire subrogation rights against the abstractor and they could sue to recover their payout.  I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this, but I predict we will see it see it happen soon.

The article I posted (back in November 2004) does give the impression that the abstractor "might" have successfully limited his liability had he NOT had E&O.  (see Searcher Owes Insurer for Missed Lien) But, that is unclear.  His E&O policy was one factor the court looked at to determine whether the parties actually intended to make the disclaimer a part of their contract.  Whether or not the disclaimers are effective is not really known.  I suppose it depends a great deal on state laws.  It may work in some jurisdictions and not others.

There aren't a lot of cases out there.  First, if the abstractor carries E&O insurance the cases are often settled and you don't hear about them.  Second, if the abstractor doesn't carry E&O he may not have sufficient resources to pay a judgment and the suit is not worth pursuing.  I think the fact that many clients now require E&O, and some clients are told by their E&O carriers that they have to require that their abstractors carry E&O, shows that they are considering pursuing recourse against the abstractors.  If they start doing this, I would hate to be caught in a claims situation without coverage.  Maybe the disclaimer will hold up in court... maybe it won't.  That is not a chance I would want to take.

Ultimately, I believe that the abstractors should be liable for the losses they cause.  Perhaps if there were more suits against the abstractors, we would see many of the "fly-by-night" companies disappear.  If they had E&O, they wouldn't be able to afford it after a couple of claims, and if they didn't have it, they would not be able to afford the first claim they are hit with. 

Like I said, I know there is completely different mindset regarding E&O in New York.  I have spoken to several New York abstractors who told me that nobody carries the coverage.  We have never had to file a claim on our policy, but I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if we didn't have it.  Anyone can make a mistake and you never know when a client will decide to make an example of somebody.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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