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REFERENCES ON ABG - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
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Re: REFERENCES ON ABG - Jessica Talley/NJ
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Re: REFERENCES ON ABG - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
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Re: REFERENCES ON ABG - Jeffrey Pettit/PA
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Lipstick on a Pig? REVISED POSTING - . APS/NY
12/18/2008 4:04:54 PM (4001 views)
Re: Lipstick on a Pig? REVISED POSTING - Arthur Rosenbaum/PA
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Legacy Title (Indiana) - Barbara Bennett/IN
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Re: Legacy Title (Indiana) - Scott Joest/IN
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Remove Disclaimer ??? - Glenda Hodge/TN
12/17/2008 6:47:39 PM (4302 views)
Hold Your Ground - Scott Perry/PA
12/17/2008 11:21:13 PM (5327 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
12/18/2008 9:52:15 AM (5357 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - MW/IL
12/18/2008 11:51:21 AM (5095 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/19/2008 12:53:07 PM (4980 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/19/2008 10:27:28 AM (5357 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 11:20:50 AM (4967 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
12/19/2008 1:08:43 PM (4949 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 8:00:10 PM (4929 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/19/2008 1:26:48 PM (4981 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 3:17:38 PM (4854 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/20/2008 10:01:23 PM (4679 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/20/2008 10:14:12 PM (4884 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - J Nisonger/CA
12/27/2008 9:32:33 PM (4728 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Patricia Turley/MI
12/22/2008 6:34:06 AM (4917 views)
Is that really necessary? - Robert Franco/OH
12/22/2008 9:54:07 AM (4781 views)
A place for disclaimers - David Bloys/TX
12/22/2008 10:01:16 AM (5246 views)
Re: A place for disclaimers - William Pattison /CA
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Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Nils Nelson/ME
12/22/2008 9:41:02 AM (4839 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Janis Talbot/SC
12/22/2008 10:51:09 AM (4837 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - John /FL
12/23/2008 3:41:07 PM (4961 views)
Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 2:08:44 AM (4848 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Dan Zook/NY
12/24/2008 8:44:35 AM (4700 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
12/24/2008 12:29:13 PM (4589 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 1:21:10 PM (4603 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
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Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 2:13:15 PM (4841 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
12/25/2008 1:27:00 AM (7352 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/26/2008 10:00:55 AM (4590 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - J Nisonger/CA
12/27/2008 9:43:45 PM (4810 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/28/2008 1:03:26 AM (4731 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Dan Zook/NY
12/29/2008 11:36:35 AM (4600 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2008 11:43:18 AM (4646 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/30/2008 8:56:23 AM (4557 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - John /FL
12/24/2008 12:51:48 PM (4548 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 1:25:51 PM (4703 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - James "Lin" Toney/MS
12/30/2008 7:49:56 PM (4569 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/31/2008 2:49:09 PM (6767 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - stephen willard/OH
1/6/2009 7:17:22 AM (4571 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/6/2009 9:34:34 AM (4718 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/6/2009 5:02:27 PM (4461 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/7/2009 3:01:26 AM (4732 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/7/2009 12:39:23 PM (4496 views)

You bring up some good points.  It does appear that having E&O insurance makes you a "deep pocket" and may make it more likely that a client will go after you for your mistakes.  But, if you have assets (i.e., a home) you could still be sued and, without E&O, you could lose them.  We really haven't seen it happen much in the past, but with the huge losses the underwriters are facing they could start looking to collect from the abstractors who cause their losses.  The fact that the client has E&O insurance does not prevent you from getting sued.  When their E&O carrier pays the claim, they acquire subrogation rights against the abstractor and they could sue to recover their payout.  I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this, but I predict we will see it see it happen soon.

The article I posted (back in November 2004) does give the impression that the abstractor "might" have successfully limited his liability had he NOT had E&O.  (see Searcher Owes Insurer for Missed Lien) But, that is unclear.  His E&O policy was one factor the court looked at to determine whether the parties actually intended to make the disclaimer a part of their contract.  Whether or not the disclaimers are effective is not really known.  I suppose it depends a great deal on state laws.  It may work in some jurisdictions and not others.

There aren't a lot of cases out there.  First, if the abstractor carries E&O insurance the cases are often settled and you don't hear about them.  Second, if the abstractor doesn't carry E&O he may not have sufficient resources to pay a judgment and the suit is not worth pursuing.  I think the fact that many clients now require E&O, and some clients are told by their E&O carriers that they have to require that their abstractors carry E&O, shows that they are considering pursuing recourse against the abstractors.  If they start doing this, I would hate to be caught in a claims situation without coverage.  Maybe the disclaimer will hold up in court... maybe it won't.  That is not a chance I would want to take.

Ultimately, I believe that the abstractors should be liable for the losses they cause.  Perhaps if there were more suits against the abstractors, we would see many of the "fly-by-night" companies disappear.  If they had E&O, they wouldn't be able to afford it after a couple of claims, and if they didn't have it, they would not be able to afford the first claim they are hit with. 

Like I said, I know there is completely different mindset regarding E&O in New York.  I have spoken to several New York abstractors who told me that nobody carries the coverage.  We have never had to file a claim on our policy, but I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if we didn't have it.  Anyone can make a mistake and you never know when a client will decide to make an example of somebody.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
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Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
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Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
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Beware of Richmond Title - Virginia Capps/TN
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Please help stop the auction... - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - michael quinn/NY
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - Clanci Nelson/OH
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - George Booth/OH
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - michael quinn/NY
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - michael quinn/NY
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - Virginia Capps/TN
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - michael quinn/NY
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - Clanci Nelson/OH
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