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Old Republic Title - J Allen/NC
1/9/2009 5:27:51 PM (4406 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - Jessica Talley/NJ
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Re: Old Republic Title - CD/AL
1/12/2009 7:32:23 AM (5171 views)
Color me jealous! - Dan Zook/NY
1/12/2009 10:45:10 AM (5075 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - David Keeling/TX
1/12/2009 8:56:46 AM (5399 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - Jean Lurtsema/AK
1/12/2009 11:49:08 AM (5306 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - Sheila Sten/PA
1/12/2009 11:55:58 AM (5089 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - William Pattison /CA
1/12/2009 12:25:05 PM (5142 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - john franz/NJ
1/12/2009 3:58:36 PM (5107 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - Jean Allen/NC
1/14/2009 11:19:03 AM (4790 views)

25 year searches - john rutledge/VA
1/9/2009 8:41:33 AM (3811 views)
Re: 25 year searches - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
1/9/2009 12:20:25 PM (5116 views)
Re: 25 year searches - martha campbell/VA
1/12/2009 7:55:56 AM (4953 views)
Re: 25 year searches - David Keeling/TX
1/12/2009 9:02:53 AM (4913 views)
Re: 25 year searches - john franz/NJ
1/12/2009 11:21:10 AM (4876 views)
david keeling - Kevin Curtiss/AL
1/18/2009 9:46:13 PM (4954 views)
Re: david keeling - David Keeling/TX
1/26/2009 9:24:45 PM (4771 views)
Re: david keeling - Kevin Curtiss/AL
1/26/2009 10:20:22 PM (5092 views)
Re: 25 year searches - Jean Lurtsema/AK
1/12/2009 11:55:00 AM (4696 views)
Re: 25 year searches - Jean Lurtsema/AK
1/12/2009 11:58:44 AM (4800 views)
Re: 25 year searches - Robert Franco/OH
1/12/2009 12:19:13 PM (4787 views)
Secret Shopper - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/12/2009 12:56:53 PM (4861 views)
Re: 25 year searches - CHRISTIE NIELSEN/ID
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Re: 25 year searches - PHILIP YIANILOS/VA
1/24/2009 11:05:14 AM (4674 views)
Re: 25 year searches - Tracy /PA
1/29/2009 4:02:43 PM (4748 views)

Anyone do work for NPR Services? - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
1/8/2009 7:45:53 PM (3633 views)
Re: Anyone do work for NPR Services? - Nils Nelson/ME
1/8/2009 8:14:20 PM (5146 views)
Re: Anyone do work for NPR Services? - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
1/9/2009 3:40:15 PM (4900 views)
Re: Anyone do work for NPR Services? - David Keeling/TX
1/12/2009 9:36:07 PM (4742 views)

Data Retrieval Services - Susan McKee/WV
1/8/2009 2:52:00 PM (3717 views)
Re: Data Retrieval Services - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/8/2009 8:26:18 PM (4714 views)
Re: Data Retrieval Services - Susan McKee/WV
1/8/2009 8:53:56 PM (5026 views)

Accurate Group- PA - Patrick/NY
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Re: Accurate Group- PA - Samantha Martin/AL
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Re: Accurate Group- PA - Tracy/PA
1/29/2009 4:06:04 PM (4577 views)




COMPANIES NOT TO WORK FOR - Greg Paszkiewicz/NJ
1/8/2009 11:49:41 AM (4087 views)
Re: COMPANIES NOT TO WORK FOR - Jean Lurtsema/AK
1/12/2009 11:41:40 AM (4954 views)
Re: COMPANIES NOT TO WORK FOR - Michael Vernon/AZ
1/12/2009 1:18:46 PM (5212 views)

What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - David Bloys/TX
1/8/2009 11:17:51 AM (3583 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2009 11:39:08 AM (5007 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - David Bloys/TX
1/8/2009 12:12:10 PM (4998 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2009 12:49:49 PM (4769 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Kurt deVries/FL
1/8/2009 2:12:29 PM (4710 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - David Bloys/TX
1/8/2009 3:53:48 PM (4647 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2009 4:01:49 PM (4486 views)
It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/8/2009 6:36:46 PM (4550 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Slade Smith/OH
1/8/2009 8:27:20 PM (4618 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/8/2009 11:44:54 PM (4583 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 10:41:35 AM (4575 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 11:35:59 AM (4478 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 1:04:37 PM (4478 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 1:21:48 PM (4723 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 1:48:00 PM (4435 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 2:22:17 PM (4484 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 2:31:29 PM (4441 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 2:55:15 PM (4392 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 1:37:15 PM (4544 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 2:03:22 PM (6530 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 2:45:46 PM (4369 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 2:58:45 PM (6838 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 4:32:03 PM (4521 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - john franz/NJ
1/12/2009 11:39:16 AM (4290 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/12/2009 1:00:19 PM (4529 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/12/2009 1:21:44 PM (4586 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/12/2009 1:17:45 PM (4461 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/12/2009 2:54:57 PM (4623 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - john franz/NJ
1/12/2009 3:29:50 PM (4642 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/12/2009 4:16:47 PM (7196 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - john franz/NJ
1/16/2009 3:02:53 PM (4529 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/16/2009 3:07:53 PM (4478 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/16/2009 3:09:19 PM (4935 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/16/2009 4:10:20 PM (4545 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/12/2009 4:16:48 PM (4448 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - michael quinn/NY
1/12/2009 2:59:55 PM (4500 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - john franz/NJ
1/12/2009 3:42:41 PM (4517 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - michael quinn/NY
1/12/2009 4:41:31 PM (4540 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 1:47:25 PM (4330 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/11/2009 7:55:24 PM (4351 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Slade Smith/OH
1/8/2009 7:59:05 PM (4501 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Patrick Scott/IL
1/8/2009 8:29:46 PM (4319 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Slade Smith/OH
1/8/2009 10:10:39 PM (4477 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 10:55:16 AM (4301 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/9/2009 4:42:03 PM (4264 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - john franz/NJ
1/12/2009 3:52:53 PM (4575 views)

What were they thinking... - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2009 12:04:47 AM (3741 views)
Re: What were they thinking... - Deborah Manion/VA
1/8/2009 1:25:14 PM (4838 views)
Re: What were they thinking... - William Pattison /CA
1/12/2009 12:30:12 PM (4516 views)

Title Stream - Rich Martin/ME
1/7/2009 9:46:53 PM (4295 views)
Re: Title Stream - James "Lin" Toney/MS
1/7/2009 10:23:29 PM (5053 views)
Re: Title Stream - no relation to TS Associates - Dan Zook/NY
1/8/2009 11:32:26 AM (5040 views)

A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
1/7/2009 1:28:03 PM (3743 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
1/16/2009 4:16:24 PM (4754 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Robert Franco/OH
1/16/2009 4:19:36 PM (4696 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Scott Perry/PA
1/16/2009 4:26:05 PM (5010 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
1/16/2009 6:54:28 PM (4805 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Patrick Scott/IL
1/16/2009 8:32:11 PM (4709 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
1/16/2009 10:10:59 PM (4811 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Scott Perry/PA
1/16/2009 10:10:57 PM (4821 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
1/16/2009 10:11:46 PM (4961 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2009 10:40:55 AM (4849 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Robert Franco/OH
1/17/2009 12:06:43 PM (4699 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2009 12:45:30 PM (4577 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
1/17/2009 8:05:14 PM (4617 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/19/2009 2:13:27 PM (4648 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Tracy/PA
1/29/2009 4:10:40 PM (4524 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
2/25/2009 11:20:50 PM (4402 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
4/5/2009 8:05:01 AM (4298 views)
update A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
7/30/2009 1:51:58 PM (5007 views)

scope of search beginning date - Nathan Miller/KY
1/6/2009 7:54:26 PM (3709 views)
Re: scope of search beginning date - THURBER & ASSOCIATES INC THURBER/ME
1/6/2009 9:34:28 PM (4899 views)
Start date ... - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
1/7/2009 7:55:36 AM (5059 views)
Re: scope of search beginning date - James "Lin" Toney/MS
1/7/2009 10:02:10 AM (4937 views)
Re: scope of search beginning date - Robert Franco/OH
1/7/2009 1:43:09 PM (5073 views)
Re: scope of search beginning date - Patrick Scott/IL
1/7/2009 11:06:09 PM (5057 views)

I'm in Robert's camp on this one.  I don't think there is really any need for a start date.  And, as Nathan mentioned in his original post, it could cause a recipient to question whether judgments have been searched for the proper number of years.

In my opinion, a search for open liens, whether it be a current owner, two owner, or any other limited search, should arrive at the customer showing all open liens.  This, to me, means that the abstractor searches to an acceptable point of beginning - even if it means searching back through the records of a prior owner.  It's not often around here, but we still occasionally run across an assumed mortgage. More often, I think, a mortgage recorded out of sequence.  The only exception I would place on that rule is in the event that the customer specifically requested a date to run forward.  I would then note those instructions on the search.

I am curious as to why a state's being a race-notice state would have any bearing on either your start date or your end date.  I think in most jurisdictions a lower document number would indicate priority in recording, would it not?  And, many counties, if not most or all, even stamp the time of recording on the document.  In our local counties, we use the cover date certified by the recorder.  This indicates that the recorder has posted all documents recorded up to the end of that day.  So, I guess that might be why I never have given the race-notice wrinkle any thought in that regard.  What's there is there as of the closing of the recorder's office on that given date.

As an aside, I believe that most states are now race-notice.  Illinois is one of them.  That doesn't stop the recorders in the larger counties from establishing their own recording priorities.  For example, large stacks of deeds and mortgages delivered by a title company may sit in the 'things to do eventually' basket, while a person can also walk up to the recording counter with a small number of instruments and see them recorded on the spot.  Hmmmm.

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Re: scope of search beginning date - David Keeling/TX
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Re: scope of search beginning date - Kenneth Signor/SC
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Re: scope of search beginning date - James "Lin" Toney/MS
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Re: scope of search beginning date - William Pattison /CA
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Re: scope of search beginning date - James "Lin" Toney/MS
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Platinum Abstracting Services - Edward Huguenin/SC
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Re: Platinum Abstracting Services - David Keeling/TX
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Re: Platinum Abstracting Services - Edward Huguenin/SC
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Group9,inc (PA) - Carlton Johnson/NY
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United One Resources - Edward Huguenin/SC
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