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Title Examiner / Abstractor (Telecommute) - Rebecca Fair/FL
12/23/2008 12:34:40 PM (7357 views)
Re: Title Examiner / Abstractor (Telecommute) - Patrick Scott/IL
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Field Notes - Ellen Maher/MI
12/23/2008 10:34:35 AM (3964 views)
Re: Field Notes - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2008 10:45:41 AM (5791 views)
Re: Field Notes - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/23/2008 12:27:43 PM (5922 views)
Re: Field Notes - David Keeling/TX
12/29/2008 12:35:08 PM (5865 views)
Re: Field Notes - William Pattison /CA
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Re: Field Notes - Ray Young/GA
1/30/2009 1:00:19 PM (5249 views)

Richard Bolen - Janis Talbot/SC
12/22/2008 10:47:07 AM (4149 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/22/2008 12:11:39 PM (8362 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Edward Huguenin/SC
12/22/2008 4:05:28 PM (5852 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/23/2008 12:42:43 PM (5956 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Janis Talbot/SC
12/26/2008 9:16:57 PM (5759 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Janis Talbot/SC
12/26/2008 9:08:58 PM (5866 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Edward Huguenin/SC
12/27/2008 9:29:25 AM (5691 views)
Re: Richard Bolen - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/30/2008 9:07:49 AM (5733 views)

GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Joan Howland/CT
12/22/2008 10:00:45 AM (4707 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Nils Nelson/ME
12/22/2008 11:23:15 AM (6032 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - george Hubka/MI
1/24/2009 10:48:31 PM (5810 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/26/2009 1:13:53 PM (5547 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Joan Howland/CT
1/26/2009 5:48:11 PM (5417 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/27/2009 3:33:41 PM (5588 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Joan Howland/CT
1/26/2009 5:49:37 PM (5542 views)
Re: GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Donna Stovall/NY
12/29/2008 12:57:08 PM (5706 views)

Give this Christmas gift to your good clients/vendors! - Slade Smith/OH
12/22/2008 7:22:48 AM (4110 views)
Re: Give this Christmas gift to your good clients/vendors! - Dan Zook/NY
12/22/2008 8:48:42 AM (5901 views)
This might take some time ... - Dan Zook/NY
12/22/2008 9:11:48 AM (5924 views)
Re: This might take some time ... - Slade Smith/OH
12/22/2008 5:27:17 PM (5568 views)




New York Title Abstract - Ron McPherson/IA
12/21/2008 8:26:40 PM (4087 views)
Re: New York Title Abstract - Jennifer Coffey/VA
12/23/2008 1:09:32 AM (5789 views)
Re: New York Title Abstract - Ron McPherson/IA
12/23/2008 8:56:06 PM (5853 views)
Re: New York Title Abstract - Julia Walker/KS
1/5/2009 12:29:34 PM (5825 views)
Re: New York Title Abstract - Denise Lippolis /NY
2/28/2009 12:27:39 PM (5570 views)

REFERENCES ON ABG - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
12/18/2008 7:10:05 PM (4128 views)
Re: REFERENCES ON ABG - Jessica Talley/NJ
12/18/2008 8:23:55 PM (5693 views)
Re: REFERENCES ON ABG - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
12/19/2008 10:48:57 AM (5797 views)
Re: REFERENCES ON ABG - Jeffrey Pettit/PA
4/21/2010 10:06:22 AM (5344 views)

Lipstick on a Pig? REVISED POSTING - . APS/NY
12/18/2008 4:04:54 PM (4157 views)
Re: Lipstick on a Pig? REVISED POSTING - Arthur Rosenbaum/PA
12/30/2008 9:55:54 AM (5720 views)

Legacy Title (Indiana) - Barbara Bennett/IN
12/17/2008 7:13:52 PM (4262 views)
Re: Legacy Title (Indiana) - Scott Joest/IN
12/22/2008 10:37:17 AM (5713 views)

Remove Disclaimer ??? - Glenda Hodge/TN
12/17/2008 6:47:39 PM (4478 views)
Hold Your Ground - Scott Perry/PA
12/17/2008 11:21:13 PM (5877 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
12/18/2008 9:52:15 AM (5890 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - MW/IL
12/18/2008 11:51:21 AM (5682 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/19/2008 12:53:07 PM (5490 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/19/2008 10:27:28 AM (5873 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 11:20:50 AM (5502 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
12/19/2008 1:08:43 PM (5479 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 8:00:10 PM (5460 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/19/2008 1:26:48 PM (5560 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 3:17:38 PM (5369 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/20/2008 10:01:23 PM (5236 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/20/2008 10:14:12 PM (5436 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - J Nisonger/CA
12/27/2008 9:32:33 PM (5237 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Patricia Turley/MI
12/22/2008 6:34:06 AM (5467 views)
Is that really necessary? - Robert Franco/OH
12/22/2008 9:54:07 AM (5319 views)
A place for disclaimers - David Bloys/TX
12/22/2008 10:01:16 AM (5790 views)
Re: A place for disclaimers - William Pattison /CA
1/5/2009 12:33:33 PM (5392 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Nils Nelson/ME
12/22/2008 9:41:02 AM (5398 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Janis Talbot/SC
12/22/2008 10:51:09 AM (5371 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - John /FL
12/23/2008 3:41:07 PM (5493 views)
Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 2:08:44 AM (5380 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Dan Zook/NY
12/24/2008 8:44:35 AM (5240 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
12/24/2008 12:29:13 PM (5086 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 1:21:10 PM (5128 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
12/24/2008 1:46:55 PM (5278 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 2:13:15 PM (5372 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
12/25/2008 1:27:00 AM (7988 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/26/2008 10:00:55 AM (5077 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - J Nisonger/CA
12/27/2008 9:43:45 PM (5336 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/28/2008 1:03:26 AM (5257 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Dan Zook/NY
12/29/2008 11:36:35 AM (5127 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2008 11:43:18 AM (5207 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/30/2008 8:56:23 AM (5089 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - John /FL
12/24/2008 12:51:48 PM (5077 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 1:25:51 PM (5204 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - James "Lin" Toney/MS
12/30/2008 7:49:56 PM (5055 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/31/2008 2:49:09 PM (7320 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - stephen willard/OH
1/6/2009 7:17:22 AM (5126 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/6/2009 9:34:34 AM (5270 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/6/2009 5:02:27 PM (5010 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/7/2009 3:01:26 AM (5298 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/7/2009 12:39:23 PM (5025 views)

You bring up some good points.  It does appear that having E&O insurance makes you a "deep pocket" and may make it more likely that a client will go after you for your mistakes.  But, if you have assets (i.e., a home) you could still be sued and, without E&O, you could lose them.  We really haven't seen it happen much in the past, but with the huge losses the underwriters are facing they could start looking to collect from the abstractors who cause their losses.  The fact that the client has E&O insurance does not prevent you from getting sued.  When their E&O carrier pays the claim, they acquire subrogation rights against the abstractor and they could sue to recover their payout.  I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this, but I predict we will see it see it happen soon.

The article I posted (back in November 2004) does give the impression that the abstractor "might" have successfully limited his liability had he NOT had E&O.  (see Searcher Owes Insurer for Missed Lien) But, that is unclear.  His E&O policy was one factor the court looked at to determine whether the parties actually intended to make the disclaimer a part of their contract.  Whether or not the disclaimers are effective is not really known.  I suppose it depends a great deal on state laws.  It may work in some jurisdictions and not others.

There aren't a lot of cases out there.  First, if the abstractor carries E&O insurance the cases are often settled and you don't hear about them.  Second, if the abstractor doesn't carry E&O he may not have sufficient resources to pay a judgment and the suit is not worth pursuing.  I think the fact that many clients now require E&O, and some clients are told by their E&O carriers that they have to require that their abstractors carry E&O, shows that they are considering pursuing recourse against the abstractors.  If they start doing this, I would hate to be caught in a claims situation without coverage.  Maybe the disclaimer will hold up in court... maybe it won't.  That is not a chance I would want to take.

Ultimately, I believe that the abstractors should be liable for the losses they cause.  Perhaps if there were more suits against the abstractors, we would see many of the "fly-by-night" companies disappear.  If they had E&O, they wouldn't be able to afford it after a couple of claims, and if they didn't have it, they would not be able to afford the first claim they are hit with. 

Like I said, I know there is completely different mindset regarding E&O in New York.  I have spoken to several New York abstractors who told me that nobody carries the coverage.  We have never had to file a claim on our policy, but I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if we didn't have it.  Anyone can make a mistake and you never know when a client will decide to make an example of somebody.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/9/2009 11:50:36 PM (5016 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
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Beware of Richmond Title - Virginia Capps/TN
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HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! - HEIDI CIMA/PA
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