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Collection Agencies - Danielle Nelson/WI
10/10/2008 5:06:18 PM (4081 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - . APS/NY
10/13/2008 9:55:16 PM (5555 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2008 5:33:02 AM (5468 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - DIANA NYTKO/CT
10/20/2008 11:14:57 AM (5266 views)

two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/8/2008 8:03:45 PM (4294 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Patrick Scott/IL
10/8/2008 11:02:35 PM (6140 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/9/2008 5:17:27 PM (5889 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Ellen Maher/MI
10/9/2008 6:14:54 PM (5803 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Jay Duncan/MO
10/9/2008 8:42:09 PM (5912 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/9/2008 10:50:05 PM (5849 views)

I ordered a full title search - 60 years, not a property report.

The abstractor did not provide a copy of the mortgage. The abstractor reports the factual data from the mortgage document. If we need to see the mortgage, we request a copy. In this case, we saw no need to review the document ourselves.

If the abstractor had reviewed the mortgage, they would have noted the incorrect address. I did not mention that there was also an incorrect tax parcel number on the first page.

The seller in our transaction owned two properties on the same street. We insured the purchase of one. The other was lost by the seller in foreclosure.

The two mortgages in question were executed on the same day by the same borrower for the same lender. The two properties were on the same street. The legal descriptions were switched in error.

The mortgage lender's servicing department when they set up the two loans in their system did not check the legal descriptions and so they assigned account numbers to the property addresses shown on the first page of each mortgage.

We followed proper procedure in requesting payoff. In addition to the account number and property address, we included the recording info.

We followed proper procedure when sending the payoff check.
In addition to the account number and property address, we included the recording info.

If the lender had checked the recording info, they would also have noticed a problem, however they did not.

Our check matched the payoff letter which had been issued by the lender. Upon receipt the lender applied it to the account number matching their records and satisfied what they thought was the mortgage against our property.

The HELOC lender ordered a property report from the same abstractor who had done our original full search.

How could this have been avoided? If the abstractor had looked at the mortgage carefully the first time, and noticed the address was wrong, she might have also noticed the other mortgage. In 2004 the same lender owned both mortgages and we could have gotten it straightened out. After we paid off the one mortgage, the other was sold to GMAC who later foreclosed. The mistaken legal description was clearly found in the foreclosure search and the court order correcting the instrument cleared the cloud.

As for indexing, I think the first error would have been easy to catch. As for missing the court order, I am relying upon the response from the abstractor who said she should have got it when she did the property report for the HELOC lender.

I realize this is a confusing scenario. Anytime we run across a problem, I think it's good to talk about it because we all learn to be more careful.

I know there is lots of talk about title agents who won't pay a decent fee or want the abstractor to give only partial searches.

I paid $150 for a full search. I think that's reasonable and I believe this abstractor will be more careful in the future.

I think the entire experience was a great training opportunity, and it had a happy ending.

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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Dan Zook/NY
10/10/2008 9:22:41 AM (5848 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/11/2008 5:15:36 PM (5736 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/10/2008 11:34:02 AM (5837 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Robert Franco/OH
10/10/2008 12:05:36 PM (5953 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Patrick Scott/IL
10/10/2008 12:35:26 PM (6276 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Pattison /CA
10/16/2008 6:07:59 PM (5642 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/16/2008 8:45:36 PM (5500 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/11/2008 5:25:01 PM (5728 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - george Hubka/MI
10/13/2008 3:58:45 AM (5870 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/13/2008 11:04:33 AM (5797 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Hess/AL
10/14/2008 9:08:03 AM (5715 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/14/2008 10:59:32 AM (5586 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Hess/AL
10/14/2008 3:45:03 PM (5686 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/15/2008 12:23:00 PM (5440 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/14/2008 2:26:42 PM (5581 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/14/2008 6:35:41 PM (5616 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Candi Richter/NJ
10/15/2008 7:13:08 AM (5634 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 2:21:36 PM (5578 views)

Source of Title Maintenance Notice - Robert Franco/OH
10/8/2008 10:02:55 AM (4019 views)
Re: Source of Title Maintenance Notice - Robert Franco/OH
10/10/2008 11:49:40 AM (5542 views)

timios inc - John East/AL
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Re: timios inc - K Smith/ME
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Your opinions please--paying signing agents up front - Ronda Roaring/NY
10/7/2008 5:24:02 PM (3965 views)
Re: Your opinions please--paying signing agents up front - Diane Cipa/PA
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MS Title - Smitty Strickland/SC
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Contact number for NALTEA - Edward Huguenin/SC
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Another Fee Reduction Request - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Joyce/NM
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Helene /GA
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Helene /GA
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Helene /GA
10/14/2008 12:09:47 AM (6137 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Robert Breakell/CT
10/7/2008 10:39:44 AM (6202 views)
Personal thought with no factual basis - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
10/7/2008 1:16:40 PM (6115 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Anita Backlund/MN
10/8/2008 9:29:30 PM (6117 views)
Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - george Hubka/MI
10/9/2008 6:16:51 AM (6094 views)

JC Abstracting - Barbara Hamilton/CA
10/4/2008 4:36:04 PM (3703 views)

Upgrade notice for sourceoftitle.com - Slade Smith/OH
10/3/2008 4:48:37 PM (3556 views)

The AfBA battle is on! - Robert Franco/OH
10/3/2008 4:27:46 PM (5855 views)
Re: The AfBA battle is on! - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 2:23:40 PM (5947 views)

Bankers Title Company - Gone - Frank NAVARRO/IL
10/2/2008 6:50:11 PM (4464 views)
Re: Bankers Title Company - Gone - Patricia Turley/MI
10/14/2008 6:38:10 AM (6435 views)

Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Erin Carraway/NY
10/2/2008 1:11:58 PM (4649 views)
Re: Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Patrick/NY
10/2/2008 1:47:23 PM (7283 views)
Re: Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Erin Carraway/NY
10/2/2008 2:08:20 PM (7118 views)
Re: Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Patrick Scott/IL
10/2/2008 2:26:59 PM (7033 views)
Re: Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Erin Carraway/NY
10/2/2008 2:37:17 PM (7105 views)
Another willing cheerleader - Dan Zook/NY
10/2/2008 3:01:15 PM (7002 views)
Re: Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Robert Franco/OH
10/3/2008 10:20:50 AM (7070 views)
Re: Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Helene /GA
10/4/2008 10:13:50 AM (8330 views)
Re: Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Erin Carraway/NY
10/6/2008 2:49:16 PM (6892 views)
Re: Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Patrick/NY
10/2/2008 2:41:32 PM (6974 views)
Re: Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - John Carson/TX
10/7/2008 7:12:54 PM (6999 views)
Re: Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Cherie Smurthwaite/CA
10/9/2008 1:05:50 AM (7141 views)

Questions on title companies & Leads - Erin Carraway/NY
10/2/2008 9:09:47 AM (4423 views)
Re: Questions on title companies & Leads - Erin Carraway/NY
10/2/2008 9:57:58 AM (6793 views)
Re: Questions on title companies & Leads - Robert Franco/OH
10/2/2008 10:57:07 AM (6862 views)
Re: Abstractors.com - Dave Pell/GA
10/2/2008 12:52:57 PM (9687 views)
Re: Abstractors.com - Erin Carraway/NY
10/2/2008 5:39:06 PM (6487 views)
Re: Questions on title companies & Leads - Erin Carraway/NY
10/2/2008 12:54:32 PM (6566 views)
Re: Questions on title companies & Leads - Scott Perry/PA
10/3/2008 9:34:21 AM (9332 views)
Re: Questions on title companies & Leads - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 2:34:58 PM (6374 views)
Re: Questions on title companies & Leads - Sheila Sten/PA
11/10/2008 9:50:09 AM (6272 views)
Re: Questions on title companies & Leads - David Bloys/TX
11/11/2008 2:09:21 PM (9163 views)

Info on Abstractors A Go Go - george Hubka/MI
10/1/2008 6:27:14 PM (4784 views)
Re: Info on Abstractors A Go Go - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
10/1/2008 9:04:06 PM (6892 views)
Re: Info on Abstractors A Go Go - george Hubka/MI
10/2/2008 6:30:40 AM (6703 views)
Re: Info on Abstractors A Go Go - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
10/2/2008 8:07:46 AM (6547 views)
Re: Found it!! - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
10/2/2008 8:28:40 AM (6627 views)
Re: Info on Abstractors A Go Go - Robert Franco/OH
10/2/2008 11:12:38 AM (6778 views)
Re: Info on Abstractors A Go Go - Ferlin Cosgriff/MI
10/2/2008 8:45:04 AM (6674 views)
Re: Info on Abstractors A Go Go - Jennifer Coffey/VA
10/2/2008 5:11:26 PM (6740 views)
Re: Info on Abstractors A Go Go - Christine Sheeler/PA
10/2/2008 11:36:27 PM (6478 views)
Re: Info on Abstractors A Go Go - Bruce Murch/VA
10/15/2008 10:05:50 PM (6247 views)
Re: Info on Abstractors A Go Go - george Hubka/MI
10/15/2008 10:30:40 PM (6515 views)


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