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Beware of Mid-Atlantic Title - Bruce Murch/VA
10/15/2008 10:20:46 PM (4292 views)
Re: Beware of Mid-Atlantic Title - Helene /GA
10/15/2008 11:27:06 PM (5748 views)
Re: Beware of Mid-Atlantic Title - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 10:02:04 AM (5664 views)

Can we file liens? - Kurt deVries/FL
10/15/2008 10:09:00 AM (4084 views)
Re: Can we file liens? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/15/2008 10:29:51 AM (5910 views)

Pro Title - Barbara Kelley/PA
10/15/2008 8:32:12 AM (4208 views)
Re: Pro Title - Thomas Conrad/PA
10/16/2008 12:48:34 PM (5972 views)
Re: Pro Title - judith fitzgerald/HI
10/19/2008 11:45:51 PM (6082 views)
Re: Pro Title - Kurt deVries/FL
10/22/2008 11:21:49 AM (5780 views)

Oil&Gas-Mineral - Kevin Curtiss/AL
10/14/2008 8:32:34 PM (3990 views)
Re: Oil&Gas-Mineral - Christine Sheeler/PA
10/15/2008 10:17:37 PM (6174 views)
Re: Oil&Gas-Mineral - Alix Ott/MI
11/20/2008 12:00:48 PM (5546 views)

Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - JOSEPH EMERSON/MN
10/14/2008 3:50:43 PM (4980 views)
Re: Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/14/2008 6:05:27 PM (6719 views)
Re: Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - Constance Foye/VA
10/20/2008 9:42:36 AM (6140 views)
Re: Freedom Search & Settlement, PA - michele greenspan/NY
6/7/2009 3:52:49 PM (5684 views)




Ireport contest-vote for us! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 2:00:11 PM (5673 views)
Re: Ireport contest-vote for us! - michael quinn/NY
10/21/2008 11:22:42 PM (5696 views)

Examnet - shame on us! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 1:55:48 PM (4668 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Robert Franco/OH
10/14/2008 2:28:40 PM (5839 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/14/2008 2:51:13 PM (5975 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Arlene Nelson/NY
10/14/2008 3:19:44 PM (5891 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/14/2008 3:56:03 PM (6030 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/14/2008 4:03:11 PM (5963 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Robert Franco/OH
10/15/2008 1:23:23 PM (7812 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Shaun Dente/OH
10/15/2008 2:02:39 PM (5766 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 2:14:43 PM (5655 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - G L/FL
10/15/2008 2:38:31 PM (5735 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 4:09:30 PM (5731 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Robert Franco/OH
10/15/2008 7:02:19 PM (5784 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - . APS/NY
10/15/2008 8:11:50 PM (5619 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Helene /GA
10/15/2008 11:18:45 PM (5574 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 9:57:49 AM (5664 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/16/2008 11:21:51 AM (5693 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 11:35:37 AM (5707 views)
I retract my critique ... - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 12:11:11 PM (5717 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Robert Franco/OH
10/16/2008 12:23:58 PM (5681 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 12:48:24 PM (5582 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/16/2008 12:54:17 PM (5642 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Dan Zook/NY
10/16/2008 12:58:52 PM (5634 views)
Re: I retract my critique ... - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/16/2008 2:28:25 PM (5688 views)
Open can worms...please let's not - Jay Duncan/MO
10/16/2008 2:42:05 PM (5634 views)
Re: Open can worms...please let's not - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2008 2:51:35 PM (5625 views)
Last Words - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2008 10:47:17 AM (5604 views)
Re: Last Words - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/17/2008 3:18:35 PM (5592 views)
Re: Last Words - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2008 5:03:25 PM (5427 views)
Re: Last Words - . APS/NY
10/17/2008 8:00:18 PM (5541 views)
Re: Last Words - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/18/2008 2:36:58 AM (5497 views)
Re: Last Words - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/18/2008 8:06:58 AM (5547 views)
Re: Last Words - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/18/2008 8:51:29 AM (5580 views)
Re: Last Words - Robert Franco/OH
10/18/2008 12:39:33 PM (5362 views)
Re: Last Words - . APS/NY
10/18/2008 1:45:33 PM (5412 views)
Re: Last Words - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/18/2008 9:27:06 PM (5489 views)
Re: Last Words - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/20/2008 4:06:00 PM (5458 views)
Re: Last Words - Michelle/IL
10/20/2008 4:11:29 PM (5474 views)
Re: Last Words - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/20/2008 4:20:46 PM (5437 views)
Re: Last Words - michael quinn/NY
10/21/2008 11:56:59 PM (5428 views)
Re: Last Words - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/22/2008 11:09:17 AM (5363 views)
Re: Last Words - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/20/2008 5:14:03 PM (5335 views)
Re: Open can worms...please let's not - J Nisonger/CA
10/18/2008 11:02:56 PM (5547 views)
Re: Open can worms...please let's not - Jay Duncan/MO
10/19/2008 3:50:54 PM (5563 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 4:11:03 PM (5820 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/14/2008 6:25:37 PM (5632 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - george Hubka/MI
10/14/2008 11:06:23 PM (5463 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/14/2008 11:47:14 PM (5584 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/15/2008 10:04:51 AM (5522 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - . APS/NY
10/15/2008 12:21:11 PM (5411 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - shaun dente/OH
10/15/2008 1:41:44 PM (5404 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Louise Jackson/SC
11/7/2008 9:29:57 AM (5103 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Clanci Nelson/OH
11/7/2008 2:48:24 PM (5100 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/15/2008 12:36:22 PM (5214 views)
Re: Examnet - shame on us! - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/27/2008 7:40:05 AM (5181 views)

National 1 Source - Joyce/NM
10/14/2008 11:48:56 AM (4260 views)
Re: National 1 Source - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2008 2:03:27 PM (6128 views)
Re: National 1 Source - Joyce/NM
10/14/2008 2:07:17 PM (6180 views)
Re: National 1 Source - JOSEPH EMERSON/MN
10/14/2008 4:11:46 PM (6128 views)
Re: National 1 Source - JOSEPH MARTINEZ/NM
10/20/2008 12:33:01 PM (6014 views)

Collection Agencies - Danielle Nelson/WI
10/10/2008 5:06:18 PM (4184 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - . APS/NY
10/13/2008 9:55:16 PM (5993 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2008 5:33:02 AM (5901 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - DIANA NYTKO/CT
10/20/2008 11:14:57 AM (5712 views)

two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/8/2008 8:03:45 PM (4407 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Patrick Scott/IL
10/8/2008 11:02:35 PM (6588 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/9/2008 5:17:27 PM (6333 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Ellen Maher/MI
10/9/2008 6:14:54 PM (6255 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Jay Duncan/MO
10/9/2008 8:42:09 PM (6378 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/9/2008 10:50:05 PM (6294 views)

I ordered a full title search - 60 years, not a property report.

The abstractor did not provide a copy of the mortgage. The abstractor reports the factual data from the mortgage document. If we need to see the mortgage, we request a copy. In this case, we saw no need to review the document ourselves.

If the abstractor had reviewed the mortgage, they would have noted the incorrect address. I did not mention that there was also an incorrect tax parcel number on the first page.

The seller in our transaction owned two properties on the same street. We insured the purchase of one. The other was lost by the seller in foreclosure.

The two mortgages in question were executed on the same day by the same borrower for the same lender. The two properties were on the same street. The legal descriptions were switched in error.

The mortgage lender's servicing department when they set up the two loans in their system did not check the legal descriptions and so they assigned account numbers to the property addresses shown on the first page of each mortgage.

We followed proper procedure in requesting payoff. In addition to the account number and property address, we included the recording info.

We followed proper procedure when sending the payoff check.
In addition to the account number and property address, we included the recording info.

If the lender had checked the recording info, they would also have noticed a problem, however they did not.

Our check matched the payoff letter which had been issued by the lender. Upon receipt the lender applied it to the account number matching their records and satisfied what they thought was the mortgage against our property.

The HELOC lender ordered a property report from the same abstractor who had done our original full search.

How could this have been avoided? If the abstractor had looked at the mortgage carefully the first time, and noticed the address was wrong, she might have also noticed the other mortgage. In 2004 the same lender owned both mortgages and we could have gotten it straightened out. After we paid off the one mortgage, the other was sold to GMAC who later foreclosed. The mistaken legal description was clearly found in the foreclosure search and the court order correcting the instrument cleared the cloud.

As for indexing, I think the first error would have been easy to catch. As for missing the court order, I am relying upon the response from the abstractor who said she should have got it when she did the property report for the HELOC lender.

I realize this is a confusing scenario. Anytime we run across a problem, I think it's good to talk about it because we all learn to be more careful.

I know there is lots of talk about title agents who won't pay a decent fee or want the abstractor to give only partial searches.

I paid $150 for a full search. I think that's reasonable and I believe this abstractor will be more careful in the future.

I think the entire experience was a great training opportunity, and it had a happy ending.

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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Dan Zook/NY
10/10/2008 9:22:41 AM (6308 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/11/2008 5:15:36 PM (6178 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/10/2008 11:34:02 AM (6280 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Robert Franco/OH
10/10/2008 12:05:36 PM (6415 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Patrick Scott/IL
10/10/2008 12:35:26 PM (6714 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Pattison /CA
10/16/2008 6:07:59 PM (6099 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/16/2008 8:45:36 PM (5959 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/11/2008 5:25:01 PM (6173 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - george Hubka/MI
10/13/2008 3:58:45 AM (6309 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/13/2008 11:04:33 AM (6251 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Hess/AL
10/14/2008 9:08:03 AM (6162 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/14/2008 10:59:32 AM (6039 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Hess/AL
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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/15/2008 12:23:00 PM (5896 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/14/2008 2:26:42 PM (6058 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Candi Richter/NJ
10/15/2008 7:13:08 AM (6094 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 2:21:36 PM (6038 views)

Source of Title Maintenance Notice - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Source of Title Maintenance Notice - Robert Franco/OH
10/10/2008 11:49:40 AM (5983 views)

timios inc - John East/AL
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Re: timios inc - Brad Bradbury/PA
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10/10/2008 12:20:19 PM (9214 views)
Re: timios inc - K Smith/ME
10/14/2008 6:19:16 AM (6494 views)

Your opinions please--paying signing agents up front - Ronda Roaring/NY
10/7/2008 5:24:02 PM (4067 views)
Re: Your opinions please--paying signing agents up front - Diane Cipa/PA
10/8/2008 7:43:19 PM (6119 views)

MS Title - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/7/2008 10:33:53 AM (4184 views)
Re: MS Title - Smitty Strickland/SC
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Re: MS Title - Kenneth Signor/SC
10/14/2008 5:42:18 AM (6043 views)

Contact number for NALTEA - Edward Huguenin/SC
10/6/2008 6:57:06 PM (3819 views)
Re: Contact number for NALTEA - Jay Duncan/MO
10/6/2008 11:25:31 PM (6214 views)


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