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Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/27/2008 4:12:01 PM (4093 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
7/28/2008 7:21:35 AM (4554 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/28/2008 10:05:49 AM (4615 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Robert Franco/OH
7/28/2008 11:19:45 AM (4429 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/28/2008 1:59:23 PM (4647 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
7/28/2008 4:30:38 PM (4652 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
7/28/2008 8:07:31 PM (4632 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/29/2008 7:26:11 AM (4494 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
7/29/2008 3:58:36 PM (4435 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/29/2008 4:41:21 PM (4479 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Robert Franco/OH
7/29/2008 10:10:39 PM (4377 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
7/30/2008 12:42:06 AM (4492 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/30/2008 5:06:15 PM (4454 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/30/2008 6:09:51 AM (4452 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
7/30/2008 7:13:45 AM (4375 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/30/2008 8:24:40 AM (4448 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
7/30/2008 10:03:47 AM (4350 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/30/2008 11:07:10 AM (4349 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - michael quinn/NY
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Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
7/30/2008 1:51:44 PM (4323 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - michael quinn/NY
7/30/2008 4:43:42 PM (4421 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
7/30/2008 1:47:15 PM (4376 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/31/2008 5:32:27 PM (4368 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
7/31/2008 11:42:10 PM (4238 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/1/2008 5:09:54 AM (4421 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Douglas Gallant/OH
8/1/2008 3:08:57 PM (4294 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
8/1/2008 5:17:37 PM (4284 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Douglas Gallant/OH
8/1/2008 8:03:59 PM (4323 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
8/1/2008 9:37:24 PM (4387 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/2/2008 6:56:23 AM (4321 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
8/2/2008 12:35:52 PM (4388 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Douglas Gallant/OH
8/2/2008 3:51:18 PM (4347 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
8/4/2008 12:08:11 AM (7107 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/3/2008 8:37:28 AM (4194 views)
Hey, Kevin! - Scott Perry/PA
8/3/2008 11:06:31 PM (4381 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - Scott Perry/PA
8/1/2008 1:33:04 AM (4202 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - charles jetter/OH
7/31/2008 8:23:43 AM (4133 views)
Re: Help is on the way-(MAYBE) - charles jetter/OH
7/31/2008 8:20:26 AM (4220 views)

I don't even know - Norean Cashwell/GA
7/25/2008 10:40:13 PM (3913 views)
Re: I don't even know - Lynn Hammett/SC
8/6/2008 2:03:05 PM (6587 views)
Re: I don't even know - Dave Pell/GA
8/6/2008 4:38:42 PM (4408 views)

maybe this is old news. someone just e-mailed it to me - I don't know where they got it - Diane Cipa/PA
7/23/2008 1:38:31 PM (4581 views)
Re: maybe this is old news. someone just e-mailed it to me - I don't know where they got it - Jay Duncan/MO
7/23/2008 1:52:09 PM (4803 views)
Great Response Robert!! - David Bloys/TX
7/24/2008 1:40:30 AM (4740 views)
Re: Great Response Robert!! - Scott Perry/PA
7/24/2008 7:48:14 AM (4714 views)
Re: Great Response Robert!! - Robert Franco/OH
7/24/2008 1:11:11 PM (4661 views)
Re: Great Response Robert!! - Diane Cipa/PA
7/28/2008 9:36:58 AM (4539 views)
Re: maybe this is old news. someone just e-mailed it to me - I don't know where they got it - Diane Brewer/SC
7/28/2008 9:38:29 AM (4588 views)

Titlesearch USA, Inc. - . APS/NY
7/23/2008 9:38:01 AM (4222 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA, Inc. - Alix Ott/MI
7/23/2008 12:20:19 PM (4819 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA, Inc. - Robert Franco/OH
7/23/2008 12:25:29 PM (4886 views)

Certified Copies In Delaware - Robert Franco/OH
7/22/2008 1:29:46 PM (5508 views)
Re: Certified Copies In Delaware - george Hubka/MI
7/22/2008 7:14:40 PM (4660 views)
Re: Certified Copies In Delaware - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/22/2008 7:31:59 PM (4693 views)
Re: Certified Copies In Delaware - Robert Franco/OH
7/22/2008 9:48:38 PM (4545 views)




First American Document Solutions - Edward Huguenin/SC
7/21/2008 5:02:49 PM (5288 views)
Re: First American Document Solutions - Jessica Talley/NJ
7/21/2008 10:07:57 PM (5269 views)
Re: First American Document Solutions - Edward Huguenin/SC
7/22/2008 1:53:06 AM (5065 views)
Re: First American Document Solutions - Sandra Morton/KS
7/22/2008 5:15:19 PM (5074 views)
Re: First American Document Solutions - Theresa Ritz/WV
7/28/2008 10:04:34 PM (5346 views)
Re: First American Document Solutions - DebiLyn Carr/SC
7/22/2008 8:53:20 PM (5446 views)
Re: First American Document Solutions - Michael Vernon/AZ
7/28/2008 2:11:42 PM (5045 views)

Liability vs Fees per transaction - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/18/2008 12:46:54 PM (3884 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Robert Franco/OH
7/18/2008 1:48:28 PM (5147 views)

Clearly, abstractors have the highest potential for losses in relation to fees charged.  But, that whole system is skewed when you look at it that way.  Realtors probably have the least amount of liability and they have the highest fees of the bunch.  The only fee of those mentioned that bears any relationship to claims is the title insurance premium.  That is because it is the only fee that is specifically for insurance.  All of the other fees are for services performed.

Sellers find it worth the fees to have a Realtor find a qualified buyer and to get them the highest possible price.  Whether they are all worth the 6% commission is certainly debatable.  But, the sellers get to choose that for themselves. 

Surveyors are hired by the lenders, just as abstractors are hired by the title companies.  The fees that surveyors and abstractors charge are not based on the liability they incur.  For the most part, the fees are based on the time it takes to prepare an appraisal or title search, plus operating overhead.  I'm not sure about appraisers, but abstractors are traditionally short sighted when it comes to figuring their overhead.  They assume that if it takes them 2 hours to do a full search and they charge $100, they are making the equivalent of $50/hr.  Obviously, that is oversimplified and extremely inaccurate. However, the point is that abstractors price their services too low and the availability of cheaper services makes it much more difficult for some who would like to charge more to do so.

Abstractor's fees are based on market forces like supply and demand, not liability.  They are caught in a rut because there is too much competition among abstractors.  They do not have a strong lobbying group like the NAR to establish customary fees.  Nobody wants to be the first to declare their fees will be based on the purchase price, or mortgage amount.  The clients would find it much more simple to go to another abstractor who charges a fixed, lower fee and there would be many options available to them.

In short... the low fees are the fault of the abstractors as a group.  For the most part there is no regulatory body (except in a few states that regulate abstractors) that have anything to with establishing the fees.  Nor is there an organization capable of uniting the abstractors into a national fee arrangement. 

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - charles jetter/OH
7/30/2008 7:29:03 AM (4861 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Robert Franco/OH
7/30/2008 11:00:17 AM (4849 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Rob  Robinson/PA
7/18/2008 4:21:13 PM (4987 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/18/2008 5:37:27 PM (5012 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Rob  Robinson/PA
7/18/2008 5:55:38 PM (5014 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/18/2008 6:32:30 PM (4994 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/19/2008 1:16:26 PM (5018 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/19/2008 1:36:02 PM (4959 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - David Robertson/VA
7/18/2008 10:04:48 PM (4832 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Diane Cipa/PA
7/19/2008 1:47:27 PM (4958 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/20/2008 3:17:32 PM (4926 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Rob  Robinson/PA
7/21/2008 9:16:31 AM (4964 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Diane Cipa/PA
7/21/2008 1:20:17 PM (4868 views)

Stable Regions in The Midst Of Meltdown - David Bloys/TX
7/18/2008 12:27:01 AM (5423 views)
Re: Stable Regions in The Midst Of Meltdown - KELLY ROBERTSON/CA
7/28/2008 10:06:35 AM (4632 views)
Re: Stable Regions in The Midst Of Meltdown - David Bloys/TX
7/28/2008 1:42:14 PM (5014 views)

Title Express, Inc. - South Bend, IN - Jill Kissell/IA
7/17/2008 6:43:41 PM (3917 views)
Re: Title Express, Inc. - South Bend, IN - Joseph Killian/MI
7/23/2008 11:56:04 AM (4740 views)

Residential Title Services - Scott Aduddell/MO
7/16/2008 8:53:14 PM (4046 views)
Re: Residential Title Services - Jessica Talley/NJ
7/17/2008 7:03:25 PM (5118 views)

Non Payment - SYMPLE SOLUTIONS - Michelle Allen/GA
7/16/2008 3:53:14 PM (3266 views)

Nationwide Environmental Title Research - Bill Jones/NJ
7/16/2008 2:39:58 PM (5285 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - Elizabeth Helman/PA
7/16/2008 8:29:49 PM (5804 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - Ferlin Cosgriff/MI
7/16/2008 10:50:32 PM (5537 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - Ron McPherson/IA
7/17/2008 12:56:09 AM (5600 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - Theresa Ritz/WV
7/28/2008 10:06:05 PM (5514 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - Bill Jones/NJ
7/17/2008 6:58:31 AM (5512 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - john rutledge/VA
7/21/2008 11:11:27 AM (5597 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - GA Title Services/GA
7/31/2008 11:45:28 AM (5541 views)

Requesting Contact Information - Tim Prior/CA
7/16/2008 12:13:55 PM (3983 views)
Re: Requesting Contact Information - Edward Huguenin/SC
7/16/2008 12:59:06 PM (5518 views)
Re: Requesting Contact Information - John /FL
7/16/2008 1:01:05 PM (198138 views)
Re: Requesting Contact Information - Tim Prior/CA
7/16/2008 1:38:57 PM (5539 views)
Re: Requesting Contact Information - Becky Cantrall/NC
7/16/2008 2:56:16 PM (5512 views)
Re: Requesting Contact Information - Janis Talbot/SC
7/17/2008 7:20:02 AM (5293 views)

kudos to abstractor - Diane Cipa/PA
7/15/2008 10:38:48 AM (3597 views)

PA - bulk sales certificates - Diane Cipa/PA
7/15/2008 7:03:03 AM (4015 views)
Re: PA - bulk sales certificates-Question? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/16/2008 7:12:12 AM (5611 views)
Re: PA - bulk sales certificates-Question? - Diane Cipa/PA
7/16/2008 9:45:35 AM (9367 views)
Re: PA - bulk sales certificates-Question? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/16/2008 10:35:13 AM (5668 views)


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