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Great Vacation! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/26/2007 10:28:41 PM (1686 views)

Please Pray - Scott Perry/PA
8/26/2007 8:08:44 PM (2353 views)
Amen and get better soon. - Jay Duncan/MO
8/26/2007 9:00:27 PM (2943 views)
Re: Please Pray - Deborah Manion/VA
8/26/2007 10:19:00 PM (2817 views)
Re: Please Pray - Patrick Scott/IL
8/27/2007 9:56:23 AM (2710 views)
Re: Please Pray - Kurt deVries/FL
8/27/2007 10:04:20 AM (2739 views)
Re: Please Pray - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/27/2007 11:24:20 AM (2789 views)
Re: Please Pray - Anita Backlund/MN
8/27/2007 11:40:59 AM (2652 views)
Re: Please Pray - Sandra Morton/KS
8/27/2007 12:28:10 PM (2711 views)
Attorney in my thoughts and prayers - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
8/27/2007 1:05:04 PM (2725 views)
Re: Please Pray - Joseph Weaver/VA
8/27/2007 2:29:41 PM (2701 views)
Re: Please Pray - Robert Franco/OH
8/27/2007 3:14:32 PM (2697 views)
Re: Please Pray - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/27/2007 7:15:56 PM (2715 views)
Re: Please Pray - Lori Cassidy/CT
8/27/2007 9:12:03 PM (2715 views)
Re: Please Pray - ELAINA MAUSER/DE
8/28/2007 10:12:05 AM (2801 views)

What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/24/2007 11:06:47 PM (3602 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 11:36:35 AM (2691 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Wendi See/SC
8/29/2007 1:26:58 PM (2528 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 8:29:12 PM (2629 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Scott Perry/PA
8/29/2007 9:29:52 PM (2616 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/29/2007 2:25:17 PM (2641 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 8:41:10 PM (2612 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/30/2007 9:53:18 AM (2658 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 10:46:20 AM (2642 views)

 

Katrina,

I have read your posts on this thread. It would appear that your argument fails to focus on the big picture. There are a number of players in the closing process...buyer...seller...mortgagee...title insurer...appraiser...abstractor. Each has a vital purpose in the closing process.


While the mortgagee may rely on the appraisal to determine issues such as the debt to equity ratio and will undoubtedly hedge its bet with title insurance...there is a difference between the appraised value of the property and marketable title. If the title to the property is heavily encumbered the appraisal is meaningless. The appraisal represents a best case scenario. The question remains as to whether there is sufficient equity in the property to back up the appraisal. The under appreciated roll that the abstractor plays determines whether the marketable title value and the appraisal coincide.

I had an amusing situation two weeks ago when a title insurance company called me about a closing I had performed a year and a half earlier. I did not do the title search on the property. Apparently the mortgagor applied for a reverse mortgage on the property and subsequently died. The mortgagee wanted title to the mortgaged property only to find that the mortgagor never held title to the property. He held only a life use of the property. Apparently someone screwed up. Either the abstractor failed to verify the chain of title...seems unlikely that an abstractor would miss something that basic...or the title insurance agent failed to pick up on the title when he issued the title insurance commitment...or the lender screwed up the closing docs. As usual the lender is protected seven ways to Sunday through the title insurance, and the title insurer is on the hook for the face value of the policy. The title insurer did not seem to think that the abstractor was at fault, but rather one of the other players.

I would also take issue with your above statement that the lender always has a first place priority. It depends on what lien or mortgage is being foreclosed. When one acquires a property through foreclosure sale or tax lien certificates...he is insane if he fails to perform a title search to discover the state of title. If the foreclosure is of a second mortgage...the buyer takes subject to the first mortgage which has priority. In Connecticut real estate taxes have an automatic priority over mortgages and liens, and would have to be paid notwithstanding the foreclosing financial institution's priority. There are also the issues of inchoate liens such as mechanic's liens which may not be recorded until 90 days (Connecticut rule) following completion of work, and thus may not show up on the record in a timely manner. The unrecorded mechanic's lien may predate the recording of the foreclosing entities lien/mortgage, but if recorded in a timely manner may predate and relate back to a date earlier than the priority of the foreclosing entity.

In Connecticut the Plaintiff in a foreclosure action is required to perform a title search to determine the encumbrances on the property. Those encumbrances that predate the priority of of the foreclosing entity are simply identified in the complaint as prior encumbrances. Those that are subsequent to the Plaintiff's priority are identified in the complaint as junior encumbrances, and are named as defendants in the foreclosure action.

In summary, the objective is to have the appraised value and marketable title value coincide for a property. If they do not someone...buyer...mortgagee or title insurer is going to be rather upset with the outcome. The seller could also be sued for breach of warranty. Without the abstractor's work marketable title can not be determined.

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Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/30/2007 1:34:50 PM (3976 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 1:48:49 PM (2669 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/30/2007 2:15:25 PM (2494 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 2:17:28 PM (2581 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Wendi See/SC
8/30/2007 11:33:00 AM (2689 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
8/30/2007 9:43:50 PM (2587 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - kristin sandman/IN
8/30/2007 10:49:32 PM (2536 views)
Should say "And Wendi" not Any Wendi, sorry n/m - Loretta Reed/MD
8/31/2007 9:37:07 AM (2538 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - george Hubka/MI
9/1/2007 9:49:36 PM (2463 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Norean /GA
9/1/2007 10:51:18 AM (2497 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/4/2007 12:47:50 PM (2534 views)

E & O Insurance - Katrina Harris/GA
8/24/2007 3:32:41 PM (2479 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Loretta Reed/MD
8/24/2007 4:38:49 PM (2881 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:20:56 AM (2697 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Jennifer  Porter/FL
8/28/2007 7:04:38 PM (2671 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 11:18:24 AM (2672 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Robert Franco/OH
8/29/2007 2:33:32 PM (2608 views)

GDocs - power in numbers - Alix Ott/MI
8/24/2007 1:38:41 PM (2415 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:30:10 AM (2776 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - Alix Ott/MI
8/27/2007 11:57:03 AM (2792 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - clay doss/MO
8/28/2007 12:30:09 AM (2688 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - george Hubka/MI
8/28/2007 4:12:34 PM (2735 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 1:47:31 PM (2716 views)


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Title Stream paid - Dan Zook/NY
8/24/2007 9:09:46 AM (1822 views)

Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - Jay Duncan/MO
8/22/2007 5:57:51 PM (3436 views)
Re: Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - George Booth/OH
8/23/2007 9:05:12 AM (2601 views)
Re: Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - Jason Sheppard/PA
8/27/2007 11:17:46 AM (2633 views)

India warning - NoName/CA
8/22/2007 3:34:40 PM (2430 views)
Re: India warning - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
8/24/2007 3:51:56 AM (2912 views)

Home Owners Associations. - Nikky/FL
8/22/2007 12:42:35 PM (2211 views)
Re: Home Owners Associations. - Wendi See/SC
8/22/2007 1:07:41 PM (2850 views)
Re: Home Owners Associations. - Patrick Scott/IL
8/22/2007 1:35:23 PM (3081 views)
Re: Home Owners Associations. - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
8/22/2007 5:59:42 PM (2937 views)

Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Marc Cohen/MI
8/21/2007 4:59:19 PM (2396 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 8:21:47 AM (3036 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Alix Ott/MI
8/23/2007 6:44:28 PM (2926 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Lori Cassidy/CT
8/27/2007 8:55:23 PM (3035 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - george Hubka/MI
8/28/2007 4:16:34 PM (2945 views)

Northwest Title & Escrow/ pmt - Jennifer  Porter/FL
8/21/2007 2:19:24 PM (2728 views)
Re: Northwest Title & Escrow/ pmt - Michele  Peele/NC
8/24/2007 5:17:38 PM (3063 views)
Re: Northwest Title & Escrow/ pmt - ELAINA MAUSER/DE
8/27/2007 12:49:25 PM (2898 views)

Attention Floridians! - Robert Franco/OH
8/21/2007 1:28:07 PM (2286 views)
Re: Attention Floridians! - Kurt deVries/FL
8/23/2007 1:35:37 PM (4525 views)
Can't spell 8th??? - Kurt deVries/FL
8/23/2007 1:37:30 PM (4802 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - J Nisonger/CA
8/23/2007 2:19:56 PM (2933 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - Robert Franco/OH
8/23/2007 2:36:22 PM (2919 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - Kurt deVries/FL
8/24/2007 10:42:49 AM (2987 views)

Title Stream - Rebecca Warner/MI
8/21/2007 1:10:09 PM (2403 views)
Re: Title Stream - Wendi See/SC
8/21/2007 2:33:54 PM (2930 views)
Re: Title Stream - MARY ZILGE/NC
8/21/2007 5:10:46 PM (3109 views)
Re: Title Stream - Wendi See/SC
8/22/2007 1:09:57 PM (2980 views)
Re: Title Stream - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 8:39:06 AM (3090 views)
Re: Title Stream - Amy Tatusko/VA
8/22/2007 9:40:00 AM (4811 views)
Re: Title Stream - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 11:49:42 AM (2911 views)
Re: Title Stream - Langdon Knight/MO
8/22/2007 8:27:31 PM (3029 views)
Re: Title Stream - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:47:36 AM (2828 views)

INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Jill Kissell/IA
8/20/2007 2:04:25 PM (2830 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - KS/IN
8/20/2007 2:29:07 PM (4313 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Jessica Talley/NJ
8/20/2007 6:53:15 PM (2945 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Anita Backlund/MN
8/20/2007 7:07:30 PM (3014 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Dan Zook/NY
8/21/2007 9:12:16 AM (3026 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Dorothy Payne/NY
8/21/2007 9:08:10 PM (2889 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Robert Franco/OH
8/22/2007 11:31:55 AM (3026 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Carol Drummet/FL
8/22/2007 2:33:57 PM (2906 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:50:22 AM (2956 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Anita Backlund/MN
8/27/2007 11:35:55 AM (2859 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Rob  Robinson/PA
8/27/2007 11:38:06 AM (3382 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Rob  Robinson/PA
8/27/2007 11:45:48 AM (2926 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/27/2007 10:22:04 PM (2872 views)

Thank you SOT - Deborah Manion/VA
8/17/2007 2:00:23 PM (2342 views)
Re: and they're polite, too! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/17/2007 2:27:34 PM (2889 views)
Re: Thank you SOT - Robert Franco/OH
8/17/2007 3:20:14 PM (2842 views)
Re: Thank you SOT - Scott Perry/PA
8/17/2007 7:42:26 PM (2754 views)
Re: Thank you SOT - Deborah Manion/VA
8/17/2007 9:35:03 PM (2890 views)
Re: Thank you SOT - Scott Perry/PA
8/17/2007 11:23:54 PM (2873 views)


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