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Infinity - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Infinity - Barbara Bennett/IN
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Re: Infinity - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Infinity - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Infinity - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: Infinity - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Infinity - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Infinity - Ron McPherson/IA
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Re: Infinity - Phil McLean/CO
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Re: Infinity - Glenda Hodge/TN
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Collections - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: Collections - ANTHONY MUZIO/NY
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Re: Collections - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: Collections - Aneza Abalo/PA
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Re: Collections - Wendi See/SC
9/10/2007 4:16:17 PM (4346 views)

Contractual Conditions? - M. C./ME
9/6/2007 12:34:22 AM (2467 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Jay Duncan/MO
9/6/2007 7:58:16 AM (3071 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/6/2007 8:32:16 AM (2984 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Dan Zook/NY
9/6/2007 8:59:35 AM (3059 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/6/2007 9:34:09 AM (3031 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Dan Zook/NY
9/6/2007 10:11:15 AM (3049 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/6/2007 10:12:41 AM (2916 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Scott Perry/PA
9/7/2007 12:16:22 PM (2924 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Seth Levine/MD
9/6/2007 10:05:33 AM (2941 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/6/2007 10:14:27 AM (2991 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Robert Franco/OH
9/6/2007 10:15:49 AM (3076 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Patrick Scott/IL
9/6/2007 5:35:26 PM (2899 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Melissa Champine/ME
9/8/2007 1:09:01 AM (2800 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/8/2007 4:49:20 AM (2820 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Ralph Justice/KY
9/9/2007 5:59:07 PM (2872 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/9/2007 7:18:09 PM (2851 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Ralph Justice/KY
9/9/2007 10:10:19 PM (2832 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Scott Perry/PA
9/9/2007 10:31:30 PM (2920 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Anita Backlund/MN
9/10/2007 12:22:38 PM (2788 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/10/2007 10:09:44 AM (2782 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Janis Talbot/SC
9/10/2007 6:49:15 AM (2894 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Robert Franco/OH
9/10/2007 9:48:27 AM (2831 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - WAYNE QUICK/NC
9/10/2007 8:14:25 AM (2801 views)
Re: Contractual Conditions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/10/2007 8:45:50 AM (2870 views)

Old West Trivia - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/5/2007 8:29:21 AM (2399 views)
Re: Old West Trivia - Jay Duncan/MO
9/5/2007 11:22:49 AM (2821 views)
Re: Old West Trivia - Robert Franco/OH
9/5/2007 12:06:04 PM (2938 views)
Re: Old West Trivia - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/5/2007 2:24:02 PM (2890 views)
Re: Old West Trivia - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/5/2007 12:12:53 PM (2855 views)
Re: Old West Trivia - J Nisonger/CA
9/5/2007 2:37:22 PM (2806 views)
Re: Old West Trivia - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/5/2007 3:53:16 PM (2942 views)




Anyone have any information: - Theresa Ritz/WV
9/4/2007 12:17:40 PM (3145 views)
Re: Anyone have any information: - Eric Carver/AR
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Re: Anyone have any information: - Seth Levine/MD
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Re: Anyone have any information: - Seth Levine/MD
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Re: Anyone have any information: - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Anyone have any information: - Lori Cassidy/CT
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Re: Anyone have any information: - Francis Gottron/OH
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Re: Anyone have any information: - Theresa Ritz/WV
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Re: Anyone have any information: - Janis Talbot/SC
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Re: Anyone have any information: - Lauri Bessey/NH
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Courthouse Searchers, Inc. - Kristi Lee/NE
9/4/2007 11:57:54 AM (2633 views)
Re: Courthouse Searchers, Inc. - Helene /GA
9/10/2007 9:22:59 PM (2576 views)

Residential Title Services - Scott Aduddell/MO
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Re: Residential Title Services - Gone - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Residential Title Services - Gone - M.C./ME
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Re: Residential Title Services - Gone - Rod Hefner/KS
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Re: Residential Title Services - Gone - Scott Aduddell/MO
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Re: Residential Title Services - Aneza Abalo/PA
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Office Depot - Catalog - Carla Curry/KY
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Okay guys....here's a question for you - Loretta Reed/MD
9/1/2007 10:04:01 PM (2622 views)
Re: Okay guys....here's a question for you - Jay Duncan/MO
9/1/2007 11:31:24 PM (2821 views)
Re: Okay guys....here's a question for you - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Okay guys....here's a question for you - Loretta Reed/MD
9/2/2007 9:55:27 AM (2694 views)
Re: Okay guys....here's a question for you - Victoria Ledford/TN
9/4/2007 10:48:18 AM (2669 views)
Re: Okay guys....here's a question for you - Loretta Reed/MD
9/4/2007 1:51:02 PM (4117 views)
Re: Okay guys....here's a question for you - Seth Levine/MD
9/4/2007 3:36:10 PM (2696 views)
Re: Okay guys....here's a question for you - Loretta Reed/MD
9/4/2007 4:41:01 PM (2652 views)

Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Melissa Champine/ME
8/31/2007 4:03:30 PM (2692 views)
Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Wendi See/SC
8/31/2007 6:30:09 PM (2872 views)
Melissa, my husband and I are fabulously happy!!  Yes, we've had a few companies that wanted us to lower our fees and yes, two have stiffed us, BUT we paid out more money last year in wages to our employees than he and we EVER collectively made having a JOB.  Meaning, we are doing fantastic. 

Here are my suggestions:

Taking the class isn't going to prepare you to be INDEPENDENT.  You REALLY need to work for someone for several months (6 mos to a year) before striking out on your own. 

Also, without 2-3 years experience as an abstractor, you will find it very difficult to get insurance, much less a decent rate.  That requirement in itself should tell you something---the insurance companies know what we know---you can't just take a course or spend a few days being trained and imagine you know how to do a title search.  Case in point, I had an employee who came to me from a paralegal program.  She had in fact already taken the abstracting course and yes, she also went to the courthouse.  After 8 months, I had to let her go because I could NEVER break her of the bad habits and wrong info she had acquired in that class.  Taught, BTW, by a retired attorney.  Most folks think that just because they have passed the bar, that all attorneys know real estate.  Not true, unless they have chosen to pursue that area of law as a career or gone to a good general education law school, they have only 2-3 semesters of Real Estate Law.  Unless they choose to specialize in their final few semesters, they only get an overview of wetlands and coastal law which I deal with here in SC daily.  My point, forget the class. 

Now, I don't want to discourage you, because quite frankly, I was impressed with your post.  Unlike some who have posted here over the last two years that I have been here, you actually sound like you want to do this for love of the work--not because you saw some book about the 101 Best Ways to Make Money from Home with a Computer.  So I will offer some suggestions on what to do if you DO decide to pursue it.

Rule # 1:  NEVER, ever, even on threat of death do you lower your fees!  ONLY offer incentives to clients who have proved themselves WORTHY (i.e. steady work, reasonable expectations, and timely payments).  Example, I have a wonderful client who thinks I walk on water :)  I do!  She sends me work everyday, always in the same county.  So when I hired a full time abstractor to service just that county and I wasn't personally driving there, I called her up and lowered my trip fee to that county (just for HER and just for that county).  Other good clients don't always get charged for document retrievals if I'm there anyway or I don't charge THEM the trip fee if I'm going anyway for someone else.  In that way, I practice good customer service, but only to those who value my work.

Have a decent turn-around time, but don't except unreasonable expectations forced on you by clients.  They only get it when it's RIGHT.  If they'd rather have it QUICK--send them on down the road.

Use EMAIL, don't fax reports.  First, you need to scan them anyway no matter what method you use, but if they don't receive it correctly (which 9 out of 10 of them will claim), you have to take your valuable time to re-fax it.  Emailing is wonderful.  Even if they call and "didn't get it", you can resend with the click of a button.  Plus, there aren't any added charges for long-distance.

DON'T give out your cell phone number until they become good clients.  If they won't give you work unless they can contact you--that means they frequently cancel orders, will call you asking status until your head explodes or they always need everything "super-rush"ed. 

DON'T hand write your reports.  I have seen many, many a hand-written report and they always look unprofessional.  Type them!  Or create a database form on your computer. 

If a company contacts you and they 1) have ridiculously low fees, 2) want you to do a complimentary sample search first before they will use you, 3) want YOU to pay for the "leads" they are giving you, 4) want you to fill out THEIR forms, 5) want it in 2 hours, 6) have as their only hiring criteria price and turn-around time, and 7) want unreasonable add-ons to simple searches (i.e. a current owner search that you have to check the grantors, which makes it a two-owner search)--send them packing!  Yes, you WANT work, and yes, some areas of the country are slow right now, but I'd much rather spend the slow times getting my name out there, then running around doing searches I'm going to make $5.00 on and be stuck with these bozos when the market picks back up.  Those good, valuable clients out there that DON'T know about me and WON'T  know about me unless I tell them will be using someone else when the market picks up---I needs to be me. (in the case, you).

Keep CLOSE track of who owes you money!  Giving a discount for volume work that you have to spend hours getting paid for means you aren't making a damn nickel. 

The easiest way to keep from being owed money is to, first, choose good clients.  I always market to attorneys first, THEN title companies.  Attorneys are usually a better bet since they have to balance their trust accounts and have to abide by professional ethics.  When title companies contact you, vet them here on SOT.  Also, if they send you ALOT of work right away without seeing whether you are a good abstractor or not, take a breath--that always makes me question who they were last using.  Was that person so inept that using a brand new abstractor is better?   Probably not, unless you KNOW who they were using and you ARE better.  Most likely, they ran up a bill with the other person and got cut off.

You need to begin your business knowing it IS a business, not a hobby and not something you do from home.  In that way, you START by valuing your work, while competitively, a least commiserate with your professionalism.  All work is not good work or even profitable work.  If you undercut just to get work, the only person you are really undercutting is yourself, because when the county increases copy fees or they start charging for parking or the price of gas goes up, or (more likely) that company finds someone even cheaper than you, you don't have a profit margin to cover it. 

Finally, YOU have to decide which clients you want to work for.  Yes, you WANT to get new clients, but no matter how nice they are or what they promise you in return for some consideration, only YOU have to live, clothe, feed and shelter yourself on their fees, so if it isn't satisfactory or the expectations are too unreasonable, dump them.  I'd much rather spend an afternoon marketing than going to the courthouse to do a search for someone who thinks a monkey could do my job just as well as I can, who calls me every hour to "check status" and who stiffs me on copies after I "rush" that search right back to them.

Yes, we grumble on here sometimes.  Thankfully, we have this place where others understand our gripes so we can vent.  But we all love what we do and if you watch the board really close, most often you will find that when someone is crying foul about the things you listed in your post--they generally brought it on themselves by not valuing themselves high enough and not running their businesses with a business mindset.

And last but absolutely not least, when you go independent, get a one page website with a professional domain name, so your email address is melissa@melissascompany.com, then immediately join NALTEA and list your business here.

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Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - george Hubka/MI
8/31/2007 11:38:23 PM (2944 views)
Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Melissa Champine/ME
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Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - ks/IN
9/1/2007 8:54:07 AM (2872 views)
Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - ks/IN
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Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Wendi See/SC
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Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - M.C./ME
9/2/2007 12:57:00 AM (2764 views)
Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Loretta Reed/MD
9/2/2007 10:07:17 AM (2832 views)
Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Melissa Champine/ME
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Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - ks/IN
9/2/2007 11:51:44 AM (2829 views)
Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Melissa Champine/ME
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Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Rob  Robinson/PA
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Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Melissa Champine/ME
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Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Victoria Ledford/TN
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Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - John Clifford Brewer/VA
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Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Barry Campbell/NY
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Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Barry Campbell/NY
9/5/2007 1:00:54 AM (2750 views)
Re: Please give me a reason to BELIEVE. - Melissa Champine/ME
9/5/2007 11:50:48 PM (2661 views)

Proposals aimed at helping those with risky mortgages keep their homes. - Jay Duncan/MO
8/31/2007 2:14:48 PM (3179 views)

Possible Subprime Relief - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/31/2007 8:59:09 AM (2441 views)
Re: Possible Subprime Relief - George Booth/OH
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Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Wendi See/SC
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Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Possible Subprime Relief - john franz/NJ
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Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/3/2007 9:11:12 AM (2785 views)
Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Scott Perry/PA
9/3/2007 11:43:09 AM (2738 views)
Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/4/2007 2:24:28 PM (2636 views)
Re: Possible Subprime Relief - Scott Perry/PA
9/4/2007 9:19:45 PM (2675 views)

Question #2 IP Address - J Nisonger/CA
8/30/2007 7:06:09 PM (2228 views)
Re: Question #2 IP Address - Robert Franco/OH
8/31/2007 1:26:14 PM (2771 views)
Re: Question #2 IP Address - J Nisonger/CA
9/1/2007 4:17:33 PM (2697 views)
Re: Question #2 IP Address - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
9/1/2007 6:17:16 PM (2625 views)
Re: Question #2 IP Address - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Question #2 IP Address - Chet Mazur/CA
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Re: Question #2 IP Address - Chet Mazur/CA
9/4/2007 10:49:39 AM (2485 views)
Re: Question #2 IP Address - J Nisonger/CA
9/4/2007 11:47:45 PM (2540 views)

Question #1 Cell phones - J Nisonger/CA
8/30/2007 6:59:14 PM (2293 views)
Re: Question #1 Cell phones - John Povejsil/MN
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Re: Question #1 Cell phones - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
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Re: Question #1 Cell phones - J Nisonger/CA
9/1/2007 4:34:41 PM (2615 views)
Re: Question #1 Cell phones - Kurt deVries/FL
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