Register
Log In
Forget your Password?

Home
Directory
Bulletins
Forums
Blogs
Articles
Links
Classifieds
About Us
Contact Us
Advertise
FAQ
Privacy Policy


Discussion
<< get older messagesget newer messages >>
to post a message: login - or - register | search messages | hide all replies



Foreclosures jump 35% nationwide - Jay Duncan/MO
1/19/2007 9:03:30 AM (3120 views)

2007 NALTEA Board - Mary Mitchel/NY
1/18/2007 1:54:02 PM (2269 views)
Re: 2007 NALTEA Board - LAWANDA  MCMILLIAN/AR
1/19/2007 4:53:25 PM (3207 views)

NALTEA--New Faces - Wanda Steudel/OH
1/18/2007 1:22:07 PM (2209 views)
Re: NALTEA--New Faces - Robert Franco/OH
1/18/2007 3:48:08 PM (3157 views)

Where is this industry headed? - D/AL
1/17/2007 9:07:55 PM (2464 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - Robert Franco/OH
1/18/2007 12:16:34 PM (3154 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - Scott Perry/PA
1/18/2007 3:54:52 PM (3177 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
1/18/2007 10:57:07 PM (3175 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - Scott Perry/PA
1/18/2007 11:29:24 PM (3116 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
1/19/2007 10:04:03 AM (3101 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - john franz/NJ
1/18/2007 3:58:42 PM (3048 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - Jeanine Johnson/FL
1/18/2007 5:36:37 PM (3047 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - George Booth/OH
1/21/2007 1:07:52 AM (3110 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/21/2007 6:07:22 AM (3053 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - David Bloys/TX
1/24/2007 8:28:29 PM (3066 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - Wanda Steudel/OH
1/25/2007 10:00:53 AM (3052 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - George Booth/OH
1/26/2007 9:27:19 AM (3187 views)

ID Theft Bill Targets County Websites - David Bloys/TX
1/17/2007 1:22:51 PM (3454 views)
Re: ID Theft Bill Targets County Websites - David Bloys/TX
1/17/2007 9:11:18 PM (2906 views)
Re: ID Theft Bill Targets County Websites - Robert Franco/OH
1/18/2007 12:20:37 PM (2957 views)
Re: ID Theft Bill Targets County Websites - David Bloys/TX
1/19/2007 10:16:30 AM (2911 views)




Is E-Filing Secure? - David Bloys/TX
1/16/2007 8:54:43 PM (3020 views)

Full disclosure - Chris Konzel/NY
1/16/2007 7:13:42 PM (2352 views)
Re: Full disclosure - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 3:52:37 AM (3229 views)
Re: Full disclosure - Chris Konzel/NY
1/17/2007 7:13:14 AM (3092 views)
Re: Full disclosure - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 7:48:17 AM (2961 views)
Attorney fees on HUD-1 or HUD-1A - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
1/17/2007 8:10:35 AM (3452 views)

Not a lawyer, from a purely many years real estate paralegal, former residential loan auditor for CT banks:

It is a very fine line, however, for attorney's personal representation to the purchaser/borrower or seller, the attorney is not required to disclose that fee under federal or state law to the other party or lender.  For example, the seller's attorney may be providing personal representation to the seller only, his legal advice and work product having nothing to do with the purchaser's "loan," therefore, Seller's attorney (P.O.C.) [disclosing that there is a fee, however, it is paid outside the closing transaction and that fee is nobody's business but the client's]. For example, the purchaser/borrower's attorney may NOT be the "settlement agent," "title insurance agent," or represent the lender, his legal advice and review of the documents is strictly for the client's benefit (P.O.C.).  In moldy pre-non-attorney refinance days, you would see an attorney's fee on the "settlement fee" line [fee for lender work being disclosed, borrower required to pay a fee which the lender often set] and on the attorney fee (attorney fee for additional representation such as reviewing/negotiating the purchaser & sale agreement) line of the HUD.

Kevin, correct me if I am wrong, but in a nutshell the attorney fee disclosure is for attorney services required by the lender, that benefit the lender, in connection with the mortgage loan, and paid for by the borrower.  What/how disclosed is a fine line. Over many years I've seen it crossed by lenders, attorneys, mortgage brokers, real estate agents, purchasers/sellers (such as cash back deals after the closing outside the attorneys' presence) off the settlement statement - usually without financial harm to anyone; i.e., no one but the auditor cares. Good news is on a regular basis a percentage of randomly chosen residential loan HUD-1s ARE reviewed by independent (lender and secondary market purchaser), state and federal auditors - bad things are caught eventually ... it's a matter of time, luck, and auditor knowledge, which is why over the years the HUD-1 changed and the HUD-1A appeared.

to post a reply: login - or - register


Re: Attorney fees on HUD-1 or HUD-1A - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 8:33:14 AM (3154 views)
Re: Attorney fees on HUD-1 or HUD-1A - Chris Konzel/NY
1/17/2007 10:42:55 PM (3188 views)

International company? - Patricia Shaw/MD
1/16/2007 2:43:57 PM (2311 views)
Re: International company? - Craig Honeker/AZ
1/16/2007 3:32:58 PM (5230 views)
Re: International company? - Dorothy Payne/NY
1/16/2007 9:51:35 PM (3136 views)

Datikala Abstract Co/Darryl Rush - Anne Gilbert/VT
1/15/2007 1:25:41 PM (1978 views)

Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/15/2007 5:15:45 AM (2366 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 9:41:55 AM (3030 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/15/2007 10:34:55 AM (3088 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 10:53:05 AM (3104 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Bloys/TX
1/15/2007 9:40:08 PM (5361 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/15/2007 11:09:06 PM (3090 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - Jan Forster/NC
1/15/2007 11:24:54 PM (5303 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Bloys/TX
1/16/2007 12:38:45 AM (5306 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - Scott Perry/PA
1/16/2007 6:43:17 AM (3082 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/16/2007 1:42:16 PM (3051 views)

The NALTEA Conference - Robert Franco/OH
1/14/2007 10:30:25 PM (2359 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Robert Franco/OH
1/16/2007 12:47:27 AM (5300 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Nikky/FL
1/16/2007 7:04:23 AM (3087 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Jay Duncan/MO
1/16/2007 9:48:09 AM (3202 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Nikky/FL
1/16/2007 10:28:22 AM (3088 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 6:30:10 AM (2979 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Robert Franco/OH
1/16/2007 9:01:48 PM (3008 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Patrick Scott/IL
1/16/2007 10:58:39 PM (2954 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Wanda Steudel/OH
1/17/2007 10:41:52 AM (3079 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Nikky/FL
1/17/2007 5:40:45 PM (2929 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
1/17/2007 9:08:26 PM (3054 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Kurt deVries/FL
1/18/2007 12:45:02 PM (2950 views)

ACCU-FAX AUTHENTIC FILE RETRIEVAL SERVICE - Austin Whitaker/NY
1/14/2007 10:21:01 PM (1956 views)

Online invoices - Alan Voorheis/WA
1/13/2007 6:15:56 PM (3396 views)
Re: Online invoices - Anne Gilbert/VT
1/15/2007 1:16:30 PM (2890 views)
Re: Online invoices - Alan Voorheis/WA
1/17/2007 9:19:14 AM (2885 views)

Oneida County Pulls Plug on Internet Records - David Bloys/TX
1/13/2007 1:25:59 PM (3000 views)

Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/11/2007 1:41:04 PM (3652 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Chris Konzel/NY
1/11/2007 8:26:41 PM (3297 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/12/2007 5:04:09 AM (5521 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
1/12/2007 1:36:55 PM (3200 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - george Hubka/MI
1/12/2007 7:42:53 PM (3156 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/12/2007 9:34:03 PM (3113 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 10:37:42 AM (3211 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/15/2007 11:49:43 AM (3123 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 1:30:02 PM (3106 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/15/2007 2:55:24 PM (3129 views)


<< get older messagesget newer messages >>

DISCLAIMER: These Message Forums are un-moderated and Source of Title does not endorse the content of any of the posts. Source of Title discourages libelous comments and you, as the sole creator of the content, take full responsibility for your remarks.
Directory

The Source of Title Business directory has 8961 listed companies.

Leave feedback on a company:
SOT ID #:  learn more...
DRN Title Search
Blogs

Read other users' blogs-- or start your own!

Most Recent Blog Posts:

What Is Title Insurance & Benefits
Michael Stelzer's Blog
2026/03/14
0 comments

The Source of Title - Part I: Freedom Written, Freedom Insured
Ben DuBay's Blog
2026/02/15
0 comments

Shared Driveway Agreements
Marissa Berends's Blog
2025/12/10
0 comments

Articles

Source of Title articles help to keep you informed on the state of the title industry.

Attor­ney Gen­er­al Ken Pax­ton Pro­pos­es Rules to Stop Des­ig­nat­ed For­eign Adver­saries, Includ­ing Chi­na, from Own­ing Texas Land
Under these rules, individuals and entities involved in facilitating real estate transactions such as a mortgage lender,...
Statement of Owen Lee, 2026 MBA Chair-Elect and CEO at Success Mortgage Partners, Inc., on VA Home Lending Before the Committee on Veterans' Affairs Subcommittee on Economic Opportunity
Owen Lee, 2026 MBA Chair-Elect and CEO at Success Mortgage Partners, Inc., testified today at a legislative hearing befo...
Mortgage Applications Decrease in Latest MBA Weekly Survey
“The threat of higher-for-longer oil prices continued to keep Treasury yields elevated, and mortgage rates finishe...
NAHB's New Resource Shares Tools for Successful Leadership
“This new title from BuilderBooks is a valuable resource for anyone who wants to improve their leadership skills,&...
MISMO Advances Title and Closing Modernization with Publication of Two New ALTA Dataset Standards
“These new datasets represent the strength of the partnership between ALTA and MISMO and our shared commitment to ...

Search Articles:
browse...

Classifieds

Buy, sell, or trade! Browse the ads or post your own!

© 2020, Source of Title.