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You won't like this prediction.... - George Booth/OH
12/27/2006 2:10:56 PM (2648 views)
Re: You won't like this prediction.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/27/2006 3:04:30 PM (3112 views)
Re: You won't like this prediction.... - Robert Franco/OH
12/27/2006 3:25:21 PM (3191 views)
Re: You won't like this prediction.... - George Booth/OH
12/27/2006 3:32:27 PM (3119 views)
Re: You won't like this prediction.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/27/2006 5:37:53 PM (3113 views)
Guys...I do foreclosures. Robert, while your case is undoubtedly valid case law...it is an extreme example. There are safety valves built into foreclosure actions to reopen the case within a certain time period...cite in the lender that was not included as a defendant...amend the complaint, and foreclose the additional lender's mortgage. If the time period for reopening has lapsed there is the ability to file a claim for title insurance. The title insurer impleads the abstractor to seek reimbursement from his e&o insurer.

Not to sure how you guys handle foreclosures in Ohio, but here in Connecticut no less than three title searches are done in connection with a foreclosure. The initial search is to determine who are the encumbracers on the property. All encumbrancers are listed in the complaint. Senior encumbrancers are not named as defendants...junior encumbrancers are because it is their interests that are being foreclosed.

Most foreclosures never go to trial in Connecticut. Most of the time the defendant is defaulted for failure to disclose a defense (He usually does not have one). The case is then resolved through a motion for judgment of either strict foreclosure or foreclosure by sale. If the Defendant does assert a defense...the matter is usually resolved through a motion for summary judgment.

A second title search is performed by the Plaintiff to avoid precisely the problem that Robert has described. It determines whether any parties were missed the first time round, and if there are new encumbrancers who recorded after the foreclosure was filed and a lis pendens was recorded. If the new encumbrancers  recorded their liens after the lis pendens was recorded, they are foreclosed without any need to cite them in as  defendants. If they recorded after the last title search and filing of the case, but before the lis pendens was recorded, they must be cited in as  defendants to foreclose their  interests. You never proceed with a judgment after default or a motion for summary judgment until the second title search has been completed.


After judgment has been entered and title has passed to the Plaintiff by strict foreclosure or foreclosure by sale, a third and final title search is completed prior to recording the foreclosure certificate or the foreclosure committee deed.

I think the case that you have cited above can be distinguished on the facts from the scenario described by George. If I understand Robert's case there was the matter of a missed mortgage in a foreclosure action involving a subsequent sale by warranty deed and a subsequent suit for breach of warranty. It would seem that ultimately among the parties to the suit a claim for title insurance would be filed, and the matter would most likely be settled.

If I understand George's scenario...the home owner is filing a questionable claim for no other purpose that to get out from under a foreclosure action filed by his lender...isn't gonna happen. If the mortgage being foreclosed has priority, the encumbrance will be foreclosed. If the lien in question has priority over the mortgage, it is a matter to be resolved by the lender's title insurer.

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Re: You won't like this prediction.... - George Booth/OH
12/27/2006 5:49:45 PM (2993 views)
Re: You won't like this prediction.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/27/2006 5:55:08 PM (3007 views)
Re: You won't like this prediction.... - George Booth/OH
12/28/2006 3:13:03 AM (2967 views)
Re: You won't like this prediction.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/28/2006 6:46:17 AM (2942 views)
Re: You won't like this prediction.... - Robert Franco/OH
12/28/2006 12:14:43 AM (3053 views)

Words of Wisdom from a Pro - Jan Forster/NC
12/26/2006 10:51:32 PM (1868 views)

Thinking some bad thoughts... - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
12/26/2006 9:11:46 PM (2401 views)
Re: Thinking some bad thoughts... - Jan Forster/NC
12/26/2006 10:44:57 PM (3013 views)
Re: Thinking some bad thoughts... - Patrick Tarr/NE
12/27/2006 2:42:29 PM (3028 views)
Re: Still able to take up space in Directory? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
12/27/2006 8:13:30 PM (2831 views)
Re: Still able to take up space in Directory? - Robert Franco/OH
12/28/2006 1:33:42 PM (2799 views)
Re: Thinking some bad thoughts... - Dorothy Payne/NY
12/27/2006 10:20:22 PM (2959 views)

AccuQuick Abstracting, Inc. - Christine Sheeler/PA
12/26/2006 2:16:18 PM (2573 views)
Re: AccuQuick Abstracting, Inc. - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: AccuQuick Abstracting, Inc. - HAL DICKSON/VA
12/27/2006 10:57:31 PM (2948 views)
Re: AccuQuick Abstracting, Inc. - ANTHONY MUZIO/NY
12/30/2006 12:44:39 PM (2854 views)
Re: AccuQuick Abstracting, Inc. - Christine Sheeler/PA
1/2/2007 2:59:37 PM (2786 views)

An Absolute present... - monica froese/ME
12/22/2006 6:45:46 PM (2385 views)
Re: An Absolute present... - george Hubka/MI
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Re: An Absolute present... - Becky Kale/IL
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Re: An Absolute present... - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: An Absolute present... - Scott Perry/PA
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NALTEA Conference Update! - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: NALTEA Conference Update! - Robert Franco/OH
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"For unto us a child is born... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: "For unto us a child is born... - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: "For unto us a child is born... - Angelica Schneider/IN
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Re: "For unto us a child is born... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: "For unto us a child is born... - Angelica Schneider/IN
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Re: "For unto us a child is born... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: "For unto us a child is born... - Angelica Schneider/IN
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Re: "For unto us a child is born... - Dorothy Payne/NY
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Re: "For unto us a child is born... - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: "For unto us a child is born... - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: "For unto us a child is born... - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2006 12:55:56 PM (3025 views)
Re: "For unto us a child is born... - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/24/2006 3:58:39 PM (2932 views)
Re: "For unto us a child is born... - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2006 4:43:02 PM (3013 views)
Re: "For unto us a child is born... - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
12/24/2006 7:00:02 PM (3024 views)

Think you've had a bad day? - David Bloys/TX
12/22/2006 3:16:20 PM (3603 views)
Re: Think you've had a bad day? - Robert Franco/OH
12/22/2006 3:56:33 PM (2839 views)

DRI Title-- clarification - Patrick Tarr/NE
12/21/2006 1:50:25 PM (2714 views)
Re: DRI Title-- clarification - DEED RESEARCH INC./NE
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Re: DRI Title-- clarification - Patrick Tarr/NE
12/21/2006 2:46:34 PM (3068 views)
Re: DRI Title-- clarification - george Hubka/MI
12/21/2006 4:46:57 PM (3176 views)
Re: DRI Title-- clarification - Patrick Tarr/NE
12/21/2006 8:04:05 PM (3059 views)

Nasco and Land Am - Rebecca Barney/FL
12/21/2006 12:32:15 PM (2551 views)
Re: Nasco and Land Am - George Booth/OH
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Re: Nasco and Land Am - Patrick/AL
12/26/2006 11:00:36 PM (3105 views)

DRI Title & Escrow-- payment problems - Patrick Tarr/NE
12/20/2006 7:53:54 PM (2720 views)
Re: DRI Title & Escrow-- payment problems - Jan Forster/NC
12/21/2006 8:48:46 AM (3334 views)
Re: DRI Title & Escrow-- payment problems - Patrick Tarr/NE
12/21/2006 10:33:05 AM (3231 views)
Re: DRI Title & Escrow-- payment problems - Nita Farrow/FL
12/21/2006 2:25:09 PM (3300 views)
Re: DRI Title & Escrow-- payment problems - Patrick Tarr/NE
12/21/2006 2:53:47 PM (3299 views)
Re: DRI Title & Escrow-- payment problems - DEED RESEARCH INC./NE
12/21/2006 12:52:26 PM (3304 views)
Re: DRI Title & Escrow-- payment problems - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/21/2006 1:42:19 PM (3172 views)
Re: DRI Title & Escrow-- payment problems - Patrick Tarr/NE
12/21/2006 1:54:52 PM (3188 views)
Re: DRI Title & Escrow-- payment problems - DEED RESEARCH INC./NE
12/21/2006 2:00:16 PM (3211 views)
Re: DRI Title & Escrow-- payment problems - Patrick Tarr/NE
12/21/2006 3:08:33 PM (3269 views)
Re: DRI Title & Escrow-- payment problems - Patrick Tarr/NE
12/21/2006 2:38:43 PM (3164 views)
Re: DRI Title & Escrow-- payment problems - Angelica Schneider/IN
12/21/2006 7:40:35 PM (3440 views)
Re: DRI Title & Escrow-- payment problems - Patrick Tarr/NE
12/21/2006 8:57:59 PM (3195 views)

Southern Title Resources - Leroy & Sue Lewis/GA
12/20/2006 6:45:51 PM (1896 views)

Contemporary Realty - Kurt deVries/FL
12/20/2006 3:26:33 PM (2426 views)
Re: Contemporary Realty - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
12/20/2006 6:47:38 PM (3071 views)
Re: Contemporary Realty - Chris Konzel/NY
12/20/2006 7:48:11 PM (3159 views)
Re: Contemporary Realty - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2006 11:04:20 AM (2934 views)

Non-payment Reliable Property - Joanie Hahr/VT
12/20/2006 12:24:19 PM (2546 views)
Re: Non-payment Reliable Property - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: Non-payment Reliable Property - Chris Konzel/NY
12/20/2006 7:46:01 PM (3111 views)
Re: Non-payment Reliable Property - Sandra Morton/KS
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ValuAmerica-need feedback - Chris Konzel/NY
12/19/2006 9:10:00 PM (2605 views)
Re: ValuAmerica-need feedback - Robert Franco/OH
12/19/2006 9:50:49 PM (3196 views)
Re: ValuAmerica-need feedback - Dorothy Payne/NY
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Re: ValuAmerica-need feedback - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: ValuAmerica-need feedback - Angelica Schneider/IN
12/20/2006 9:42:24 AM (3152 views)
Re: ValuAmerica-need feedback - Wanda Steudel/OH
12/20/2006 11:02:18 AM (3125 views)
Re: ValuAmerica-need feedback - Chris Konzel/NY
12/20/2006 7:44:21 PM (3173 views)


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