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And another thing.... - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:43:49 AM (2582 views)
Re: And another thing.... - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:51:16 AM (3572 views)
Re: And another thing.... - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:56:23 AM (3759 views)
Re: And another thing.... - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 11:17:47 AM (3611 views)
Re: And another thing.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 2:18:49 PM (3411 views)

Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:17:57 AM (2479 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:25:21 AM (3668 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:34:35 AM (3716 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:39:20 AM (3546 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:51:13 AM (3617 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:54:10 AM (3610 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:58:00 AM (3824 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 11:16:48 AM (3508 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 11:28:23 AM (3502 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/21/2005 12:06:23 PM (3710 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 12:27:10 PM (3579 views)

Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 9:06:00 AM (2527 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/21/2005 9:23:21 AM (3746 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 9:41:07 AM (3713 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:22:33 AM (3653 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 1:33:16 PM (3723 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 1:56:32 PM (3551 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 2:04:27 PM (3626 views)
How about a secular Christmas story - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/21/2005 10:03:24 AM (3639 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Julie Jasiunas/WI
12/21/2005 10:06:12 AM (3677 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:08:41 AM (3520 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:34:22 AM (3684 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:36:04 AM (3676 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:39:18 AM (3671 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:54:14 AM (3726 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:57:43 AM (3766 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 12:05:45 PM (3723 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Loretta Reed/MD
12/21/2005 12:29:09 PM (3488 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Kim Cowles/WI
12/22/2005 8:19:44 AM (3496 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/22/2005 11:36:01 AM (3547 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Kurt deVries/FL
12/22/2005 11:46:24 AM (3487 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - J Nisonger/CA
12/23/2005 3:35:00 AM (3531 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/23/2005 8:16:45 AM (3551 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/23/2005 9:21:36 AM (3425 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Deborah Manion/VA
12/23/2005 9:22:39 AM (3403 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/26/2005 6:15:44 PM (3467 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Kurt deVries/FL
12/23/2005 11:58:51 AM (3467 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/27/2005 12:16:01 PM (3429 views)

Monica - J Anonymous/CA
12/21/2005 3:52:22 AM (1962 views)

This is a season of may celebrations.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 3:37:05 AM (3595 views)
Re: This is a season of may celebrations.... - Scott Perry/PA
12/21/2005 8:05:32 AM (3451 views)
Re: This is a season of may celebrations.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 12:14:00 PM (3478 views)
Re: This is a season of may celebrations.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 2:21:55 PM (3413 views)




Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/20/2005 11:29:31 AM (2580 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/20/2005 12:08:25 PM (3858 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/20/2005 12:49:13 PM (3921 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2005 2:06:10 PM (3863 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/20/2005 2:34:49 PM (3701 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Barbara Bennett/IN
12/20/2005 3:56:14 PM (3879 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Wanda Steudel/OH
12/20/2005 4:36:59 PM (3934 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/20/2005 4:57:04 PM (3816 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Wanda Steudel/OH
12/20/2005 5:14:09 PM (3778 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/21/2005 2:35:49 AM (3595 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 9:31:26 AM (3631 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/21/2005 10:29:36 AM (3640 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:41:57 AM (3715 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 10:51:06 AM (3633 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/21/2005 10:59:04 AM (3668 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/21/2005 11:35:58 AM (3531 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/23/2005 2:51:36 PM (3603 views)

Just had to share! - Jay Duncan/MO
12/20/2005 8:42:47 AM (2515 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/20/2005 11:37:44 AM (3673 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/20/2005 12:18:59 PM (3641 views)
Re: Just had to share! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/20/2005 1:49:39 PM (3783 views)
Re: Just had to share! - TITLE REPORTS PLUS RLE/MD
12/20/2005 3:22:21 PM (3652 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/20/2005 5:24:35 PM (3640 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Scott Perry/PA
12/20/2005 8:15:58 PM (3653 views)

Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
12/19/2005 9:33:30 PM (1899 views)

..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 2:22:15 PM (2907 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 2:49:46 PM (3861 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 2:56:42 PM (3928 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 3:06:59 PM (4011 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/19/2005 3:43:50 PM (3901 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 4:18:48 PM (3692 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/19/2005 5:05:15 PM (3774 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 6:24:59 PM (3881 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2005 10:11:41 AM (3697 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/20/2005 12:15:08 PM (4000 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Wendi See/SC
12/20/2005 9:50:31 PM (3991 views)

Attention Signing Agents - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/18/2005 1:49:54 PM (3804 views)
Re: Attention Signing Agents - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/18/2005 4:43:25 PM (5755 views)
Re: Attention Signing Agents - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/19/2005 8:24:21 AM (3907 views)

NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 5:27:06 PM (2568 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/17/2005 11:37:17 AM (5802 views)
Re: NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/17/2005 3:12:44 PM (3768 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 8:28:15 AM (3754 views)
Re: NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/23/2005 3:47:03 AM (3723 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/23/2005 10:38:33 AM (3735 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2005 11:07:57 AM (3597 views)

Home exchange - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:21:44 AM (2504 views)
Re: Home exchange - Kurt deVries/FL
12/16/2005 11:05:32 AM (3525 views)
Re: Home exchange - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 11:20:13 AM (3716 views)

Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/15/2005 10:00:03 AM (2673 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 10:17:19 AM (3530 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/15/2005 8:25:06 PM (3322 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:44:24 PM (3241 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 3:10:19 PM (3049 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/25/2006 4:47:30 PM (3075 views)
Age stereotyping - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2006 6:08:24 PM (3098 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 10:41:45 PM (3100 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 8:49:11 PM (5439 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/15/2005 9:00:30 PM (3522 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 9:28:17 PM (3166 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:23 AM (3229 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:44:05 AM (3141 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 8:00:24 AM (3101 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Steve Schneider/IN
12/16/2005 9:11:34 AM (3102 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:34:52 AM (3203 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:49 PM (3166 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:14:46 AM (3242 views)

J T

I am not sure why you are directing your response to me. I have not participated in this thread. As of late I have not been very active on SOT. However, now that you have brought me into the conversation, I will comment.
 
I have no problem with anyone running their business as they see fit. As far as low ball pricing is concerned, whether you can live with it or not depends largely on the region in which you operate. I am not sure how things are done in up state New York. In so far as southern New England is concerned, it is one of the most expensive areas of the country in which to live and operate a business. The problem is exacerbated by the political organization of Connecticut. We have no county government . All land records are recorded in the individual town halls...requiring much travel time on the road. Consequently, the price of gasoline is a major consideration in the pricing of your title search. If someone is charging $25 to $35.00 for a current owner search in this area, he has to be cutting corners somewhere else. What he gives up in the price of an individual search he needs make up in daily volume. In other words in order to cut his price by 50% he needs to double his daily output of work in order to break even. The town halls are open only 8 hours per day with a few exceptions. Some operate on a part time basis. It takes time to drive from one to another. How does one double his daily output of work without sacrificing quality? The time constraints alone do not allow it.

There is a particular business entity that has been critiqued on SOT because of its low pricing and difficult terms of service. I know of at least two searchers in this area that have thrown up their hands in disgust, and rejected further assignments because they could not prossibly provide the requested service at the low rate paid to them.

This was confirmed to me by one of the town clerks recently. She had observed a number of newbie searchers lately in the town of Wolcott, Ct. The town has recently installed a computer (not on line) to store its internal land records. She noticed the newbie searchers rushing in to perform their search on the computer without recourse to the written index, and rushing out the door to their next search. What the newbie searcher failed to consider is that the Town of Wolcott keeps its sewer liens in separate index not included in the computer index. The newbie searcher walked out the door to his next search without even considering the potential for encumbrances in the sewer lien index. The town of Wolcott, Ct is not alone. Because of the way Connecticut is organized, each town has its piculiarities with respect to the way each maintains its land records.

In so far as organizing abstractors into a union or forming their own abstracting/title company to preserve their interests...I have suggested these approaches at various times over the past 18 months. The suggestions met with mixed reviews either because of apathy or the financial inability of the individual searchers to come forward with the capital investment. Consequently, I do not see any remedy to the problem.
The issue will therefore only be rectified through the economic pressure to the market place. It will probably take several years before a determination is made as to whether the cut rate search, outsourced electronic search or the traditional brick and morter search is the most efficient.

In the case of my firm, we have never allowed abstracting to comprise an
unreasonably large portion of revenue. We are in the process of phasing out abstracting even further, and replacing the lost revenue with other more profitable areas of the real estate industry. We still maintain a limited list of abstracting clients who understand that quality costs a little more, and are willing to pay for the difference. We still accept new clients...but on our terms and at our prices.

As with all business in a free enterprise system the most efficient survives. The question is whether efficiency is determined by price or quality of service. If the searcher offering the $25 search can provide a quality product, he has won the game in the best American free enterprise tradition. He has invented the better mouse trap. Those that are unable to compete will need to find better ways to become competitive or find alternate lines of endeavor. Robert recently published an article in which he declared that this business is not longer profitable. He is right. If a searcher is limiting the services he markets to one service alone (abstracting) he is programmed for failure.

I really take offense at your posting. You have misstated my position in this matter.Do not ever condescendingly accuse me of viewing a free market system as an "infringement" on business or a "sour grapes" approach. I do see the death knell of the traditional abstractor approaching, and I have critized the V/M's, title companies and lenders for fostering an environment in which cheap price rather than quality of services was the preferred commodity. My counsel on this board has consistently been for its members to find better ways to compete... value added approach...form their own national/regional title companies...combine their abstracting with other services to lessen the impact of the low ball pricing.

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Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:20:34 AM (3192 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:47:16 PM (3258 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:48:03 PM (3247 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:48:10 PM (3305 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:57:38 PM (3260 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:05:18 AM (3103 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:59:50 PM (3035 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:49:46 PM (2969 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 10:04:56 AM (3178 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 10:31:04 AM (3040 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/16/2005 11:03:18 AM (3082 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:14:43 AM (3006 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:06:02 PM (3002 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 11:17:23 AM (3080 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:27:18 AM (3026 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/16/2005 12:29:43 PM (3015 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 12:39:46 PM (3131 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 1:41:05 PM (3194 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/17/2005 10:31:49 AM (3133 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/17/2005 11:09:00 AM (3036 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:17:32 PM (3198 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/17/2005 3:33:58 PM (3114 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:19:48 PM (3139 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:09:32 PM (2959 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 12:41:27 PM (3082 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 5:20:17 PM (3005 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/17/2005 1:06:07 AM (2918 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:02:19 PM (2786 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/18/2005 9:02:14 AM (2997 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:17:41 PM (2818 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:51:15 PM (2785 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:19:19 AM (2802 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:48:33 PM (2759 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 1:10:58 PM (2921 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/19/2005 11:18:50 AM (2973 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/19/2005 11:28:34 AM (2902 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kathleen Krol/PA
12/19/2005 5:40:25 PM (2888 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2006 12:11:07 PM (2682 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:07:48 PM (2781 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:18:52 PM (2769 views)

American Legal and Financial Network, First American, Old Republic... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/14/2005 4:25:35 PM (3185 views)

Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/13/2005 4:20:09 PM (2623 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/14/2005 7:19:18 AM (3491 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/14/2005 9:10:29 AM (3563 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/15/2005 7:46:20 AM (3361 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/15/2005 8:47:58 AM (3473 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 9:40:48 AM (3630 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/15/2005 9:55:01 AM (3539 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 10:03:34 AM (3465 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/17/2005 9:05:01 AM (3435 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/17/2005 9:08:55 AM (3354 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/19/2005 11:21:31 AM (3408 views)


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