Register
Log In
Forget your Password?

Home
Directory
Bulletins
Forums
Blogs
Articles
Links
Classifieds
About Us
Contact Us
Advertise
FAQ
Privacy Policy


Discussion
<< get older messagesget newer messages >>
to post a message: login - or - register | search messages | hide all replies



This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/18/2005 9:57:44 AM (3759 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/18/2005 10:44:27 AM (6552 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - John OConnor/IL
10/18/2005 12:21:30 PM (6546 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 7:02:55 PM (8156 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 7:48:12 PM (6388 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 10:06:16 PM (6361 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 11:16:17 PM (6406 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/19/2005 8:15:48 AM (6522 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/19/2005 12:51:25 PM (8002 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 10:59:30 AM (6345 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 12:18:39 PM (6406 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 2:54:56 PM (6174 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 7:15:04 PM (6180 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:30:26 PM (6567 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 5:34:20 PM (6391 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 12:20:15 PM (6372 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/20/2005 10:48:49 AM (6414 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 11:13:59 AM (6317 views)
Re: Oh, One More Thing, David... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 10:53:34 PM (6202 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - george Hubka/MI
10/27/2005 8:43:35 PM (5778 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Jeanne Mendes/CA
10/27/2005 1:50:55 AM (6105 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/28/2005 8:53:09 AM (6120 views)

New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2005 4:50:18 PM (3678 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/17/2005 5:20:20 PM (6208 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/17/2005 6:03:20 PM (5891 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Iris Buchman/FL
10/17/2005 6:03:31 PM (6129 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/18/2005 8:08:51 AM (6404 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 5:05:08 PM (6295 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/19/2005 7:47:53 AM (6164 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/19/2005 8:01:03 AM (6174 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/19/2005 8:05:39 AM (6269 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 11:55:28 AM (6228 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/19/2005 3:10:49 PM (6161 views)

LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Becky Kale/IL
10/17/2005 2:22:31 PM (3659 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Iris Buchman/FL
10/17/2005 6:02:25 PM (6088 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Jason Sheppard/PA
10/30/2005 2:53:02 AM (5688 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Becky Kale/IL
11/8/2005 3:38:02 PM (5619 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Jason Sheppard/PA
11/21/2005 11:17:57 AM (5543 views)

Okay, another question. - Tammy Knight/MO
10/16/2005 10:18:06 PM (3466 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2005 10:40:01 PM (5968 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Kim Cowles/FL
10/17/2005 11:27:03 AM (6145 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Bo Hope/AR
10/17/2005 6:25:38 PM (6249 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Tammy Knight/MO
10/19/2005 3:13:32 PM (6159 views)

Fed up! - Spencer Kinsey/AR
10/15/2005 12:36:11 PM (3547 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/15/2005 5:48:16 PM (5777 views)
Re: Fed up! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/16/2005 4:30:53 PM (5783 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/16/2005 4:54:24 PM (5813 views)
Re: Fed up! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/17/2005 12:16:19 PM (6110 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/17/2005 3:56:17 PM (6053 views)




indexing - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/15/2005 12:31:46 PM (3315 views)
Re: indexing - Scott Perry/PA
10/15/2005 3:07:59 PM (5766 views)
Re: indexing - monica froese/ME
10/15/2005 6:40:24 PM (5636 views)
Re: indexing - Robert Franco/OH
10/15/2005 8:05:07 PM (5609 views)
Re: indexing - monica froese/ME
10/15/2005 11:18:03 PM (5563 views)
STUCK ON "STUPID" - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2005 1:06:12 PM (5620 views)
Re: indexing - Larry Crooks/OH
10/17/2005 3:34:21 PM (5982 views)

Questions about VMC's - Donna Grady/NC
10/14/2005 10:32:19 PM (2744 views)

Anyone heard of this company.... - Loretta Reed/MD
10/14/2005 1:16:42 PM (3501 views)
Re: Anyone heard of this company.... - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 12:12:30 PM (6213 views)

A word about prices... - Robert Franco/OH
10/13/2005 5:40:44 PM (3875 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2005 9:39:16 AM (5783 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Robert Breakell/CT
10/14/2005 9:50:44 AM (5845 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Robert Franco/OH
10/14/2005 12:03:18 PM (5855 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Scott Perry/PA
10/14/2005 5:24:10 PM (5777 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Bo Hope/AR
10/16/2005 1:55:51 AM (5755 views)

Here's my rant - Loretta Reed/MD
10/13/2005 11:05:00 AM (3247 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Iris Buchman/FL
10/13/2005 4:50:59 PM (5767 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2005 9:36:24 AM (5761 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Jay Duncan/MO
10/14/2005 1:44:49 PM (5759 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Matt Papsch/MD
10/13/2005 5:35:02 PM (5683 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Loretta Reed/MD
10/14/2005 11:47:19 AM (5910 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Robert Franco/OH
10/14/2005 12:12:08 PM (5719 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Wendi See/SC
10/15/2005 10:24:17 PM (5691 views)

Refaxing - Danielle Nelson/WI
10/12/2005 2:14:31 PM (3253 views)
Re: Refaxing - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
10/12/2005 3:00:22 PM (5585 views)
Re: Refaxing - Robert Franco/OH
10/12/2005 3:28:29 PM (9139 views)
Re: Refaxing - Larry Crooks/OH
10/13/2005 8:45:13 AM (5621 views)
Re: Refaxing - Danielle Nelson/WI
10/13/2005 11:38:05 AM (6320 views)
Re: Refaxing - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/14/2005 9:55:23 AM (5611 views)
Re: Refaxing - Kelly Chamblee/OH
10/13/2005 1:37:01 PM (5615 views)
Re: Refaxing - Robert Franco/OH
10/13/2005 2:38:26 PM (5664 views)
Re: Refaxing - Susan Matson/MN
10/17/2005 9:31:57 AM (5941 views)

Rant! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/12/2005 12:49:24 AM (3160 views)
Re: Rant! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/12/2005 2:02:22 PM (5415 views)
Re: Rant! - Robert Franco/OH
10/12/2005 3:11:23 PM (5469 views)

Excellent topic for discussion...  It is unfortunate that abstractors do not have an efficient course of action when clients fail to make payments.   There are several options, but they all have some level of difficulty or risk associated with them.

LEGAL ACTION - As Kevin Ahern has pointed out, the law provides for remedies in such cases.  However, the legal fees associated often make the use of the court system cost prohibitive.  Even if you win, you are still in a position of having to expend further efforts collecting on a judgment.

COLLECTION AGENCIES - This often is unsatisfying because even if the collection agency is successful, they are going to take a large portion of the amount collected.  Sometimes, collection agencies offer services with up-front fees that could be wasted if payment is not obtained.

RANSOM - Some abstractors have held work hostage for payment of delinquent accounts.  This can be risky.  In the case where the abstractor holds a filing, if an intervening lien is filed while the abstractor is holding the documents I would imagine that there would be some liability involved.  This also affects the borrower, or homeowner, and not just the client.  I never recommend holding filings - either file them or return them to the client immediately.  Holding new search orders is not as risky in this regard, as long as you let the client know that you are not completing the order until their account is paid, however, they are likely to cancel the order and place it elsewhere; which is ineffective in trying to collect a delinquent account.

PUBLIC POSTING OF NON-PAYMENT - This is what has been referred to in the previous post by Tammy.  It costs the abstractor nothing, and could hurt the non-paying client by making it difficult for them to find other abstractors willing to take the same risks.  It seems to have been effective, as we have seen on this forum.  However, one of these days it could spawn a lawsuit by the client for libel.  Source of Title has been threatened with lawsuits in the past for not removing these posts and I cringe every time I see one.  However, this is a public forum and Source of Title disclaims any liability for the content of the posts.  The forums are not censored and the person posting the information accepts full liability for the content.  Still, I do not encourage this type of posting. 

BLACK-LISTING - Creating lists of "dead-beat" clients has been suggested many times on this forum.  It would serve the purpose of letting other clients know what clients have a reputation of not paying their abstractors, however, there is no good way to verify the information.  We have all had clients that we have had good experiences with that others complain about, and vice versa.  Even more so than a single posting on the forum, this type of behavior could result in a lawsuit. I certainly would not be willing to participate in such a list.

Unfortunately, there is no good way to collect from a client that is just not willing to step-up and pay for the work they order.  Due to the nature of the business, abstractors are in a very weak bargaining position.  There are always going to be other abstractors willing to take on new business and accept the risk of not being paid.

Cut clients off early, before they owe too much.  Don't do any more work for them and consider it a learning experience.  If it is truly a large balance, it may be worth pursuing legal action.

I wish I had better advice... if anyone else does, please share it.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

to post a reply: login - or - register


Re: Rant! - Scott Perry/PA
10/12/2005 6:03:33 PM (5331 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/12/2005 5:06:42 PM (5362 views)
Re: Rant! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
10/12/2005 8:21:41 PM (5343 views)
Re: Rant! - Scott Perry/PA
10/12/2005 10:02:17 PM (5341 views)
Re: Rant! - Robert Franco/OH
10/13/2005 12:26:35 AM (5376 views)
Re: Rant! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/13/2005 1:22:50 AM (5358 views)
Re: Rant! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/14/2005 10:02:18 AM (5365 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2005 12:29:44 PM (5240 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2005 12:48:29 PM (5288 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/13/2005 4:56:56 AM (5220 views)
Re: Rant! - Iris Buchman/FL
10/13/2005 4:44:01 PM (5274 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2005 8:06:47 AM (5300 views)
Re: Rant! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/16/2005 10:08:48 PM (5322 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/17/2005 8:21:44 AM (5670 views)

Erevna? - Tammy Knight/MO
10/12/2005 12:28:49 AM (3254 views)
Re: Erevna? - Tammy Knight/MO
10/12/2005 12:29:48 AM (5239 views)
Re: Erevna? - Becky Kale/IL
10/17/2005 2:15:26 PM (5516 views)

United Document Services of East Northport - JENNIFER HOLZMAN/PA
10/11/2005 1:24:41 PM (3157 views)
Re: United Document Services of East Northport - Scott Perry/PA
10/11/2005 7:24:54 PM (5224 views)

Abstractor Educational Workshops!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/7/2005 8:06:03 AM (3734 views)


<< get older messagesget newer messages >>

DISCLAIMER: These Message Forums are un-moderated and Source of Title does not endorse the content of any of the posts. Source of Title discourages libelous comments and you, as the sole creator of the content, take full responsibility for your remarks.
Directory

The Source of Title Business directory has 8961 listed companies.

Leave feedback on a company:
SOT ID #:  learn more...
DRN Title Search
Blogs

Read other users' blogs-- or start your own!

Most Recent Blog Posts:

The Source of Title - Part I: Freedom Written, Freedom Insured
Ben DuBay's Blog
2026/02/15
0 comments

Shared Driveway Agreements
Marissa Berends's Blog
2025/12/10
0 comments

Explain It Like I’m 5: FIRPTA Edition
Marissa Berends's Blog
2025/12/03
0 comments

Articles

Source of Title articles help to keep you informed on the state of the title industry.

Title Resources Group Appoints Laura Kribs as Underwriting Counsel for Texas, Oklahoma
“TRG has built an exceptional reputation for strong agency relationships and thoughtful growth within the Texas ma...
Mortgage Applications Increase in Latest MBA Weekly Survey
“Mortgage rates followed Treasury yields lower last week, with the 30-year fixed rate declining to 6.09 percent &#...
Second Century Ventures Opens Applications for 2026 REACH Commercial Program
“The REACH Commercial program provides a comprehensive platform for growth and innovation within the proptech sect...
CertifID Expands Platform to Simplify and Secure the Closing Experience
CertifID, the pioneer in real estate wire fraud protection, today announced the expansion of its platform to include doc...
NAHB's Best in American Living Awards Highlight Top Design Trends for 2026
“For the past several years, stark white homes—from exteriors to interiors—have saturated the market,&...

Search Articles:
browse...

Classifieds

Buy, sell, or trade! Browse the ads or post your own!

© 2020, Source of Title.