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research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 4:54:52 AM (3789 views)
Re: research time? - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
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Re: research time? - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 11:38:23 AM (8987 views)
Re: research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 1:04:37 PM (7547 views)
Re: research time? - Phyllis Agan/GA
10/28/2005 8:30:14 AM (7203 views)
Re: research time? - David Jenkins/PA
10/20/2005 12:13:25 PM (7327 views)
Re: research time? - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:24:57 PM (7443 views)
Re: research time? - David Jenkins/PA
10/20/2005 1:08:11 PM (7404 views)
Re: research time? - Lisa Scherer/NJ
10/24/2005 11:04:35 PM (7173 views)

QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/19/2005 9:55:01 PM (3869 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - James "Lin" Toney/MS
10/19/2005 11:29:36 PM (7026 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:24:37 AM (7021 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - NPC/GA
10/20/2005 7:03:23 AM (7117 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rachel Malone/PA
10/20/2005 7:48:08 AM (7134 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kim Cowles/WI
10/20/2005 8:29:16 AM (7063 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Deborah Manion/VA
10/20/2005 9:37:31 AM (7100 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wanda Steudel/OH
10/20/2005 9:38:52 AM (6804 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
10/20/2005 10:21:32 AM (6893 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 10:37:13 AM (6959 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - John OConnor/IL
10/20/2005 10:43:36 AM (6927 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 10:46:43 AM (6969 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Michaela Urban/OH
10/20/2005 10:55:00 AM (7026 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 1:08:40 PM (7096 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
10/20/2005 1:26:50 PM (6722 views)
THANKS, EVERYONE! - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2005 5:22:43 PM (6903 views)
Re: THANKS, EVERYONE! - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 5:51:06 PM (6902 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wendi See/SC
10/20/2005 10:26:17 PM (6817 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Tammy Knight/MO
10/20/2005 11:37:10 PM (6681 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 7:20:16 AM (6514 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 10:29:25 AM (8405 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 3:15:39 PM (6776 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
10/21/2005 1:14:46 PM (6509 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
10/23/2005 12:02:03 AM (6745 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/23/2005 6:30:34 AM (6625 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
10/23/2005 1:55:15 PM (6750 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/24/2005 6:42:19 AM (6488 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Donna Grady/NC
10/23/2005 9:31:18 PM (6595 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Phyllis Agan/GA
10/28/2005 8:45:42 AM (6565 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Jacqueline Quaresimo/PA
10/29/2005 3:55:31 PM (6153 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
10/23/2005 7:43:10 PM (6635 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Bill Jones/NJ
10/24/2005 7:06:57 PM (6603 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
10/24/2005 8:33:51 PM (6496 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/24/2005 9:32:09 PM (6352 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Lisa Scherer/NJ
10/24/2005 11:23:52 PM (6696 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/25/2005 6:11:22 PM (6627 views)

This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/18/2005 9:57:44 AM (3854 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/18/2005 10:44:27 AM (6912 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - John OConnor/IL
10/18/2005 12:21:30 PM (6958 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 7:02:55 PM (8586 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 7:48:12 PM (6752 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 10:06:16 PM (6719 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 11:16:17 PM (6783 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/19/2005 8:15:48 AM (6891 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/19/2005 12:51:25 PM (8390 views)

David,

I think that your fierce opposition to exploitation of on-line records by thieves and foreigners may be clouding your view of the emerging realities of this business.  I think that most of us who produce abstracts share your concern.  I know that I do.  There is another reason to hate on-line records -- one that is not as often mentioned as the quality issues and the identity theft dangers, all valid issues:  On-line access hurts our business.  It allows a VM to bypass us on the simple work and only send us the work that they can't accomplish on their own.

I have known John OConnor for 16 years and have worked for his company for 9 of them.  I can say with some confidence that your remarks about "being taken in" by on-line access and "naivety or short-sighted greed" are way off of the mark.

John's company took an enormous hit when our home county went on-line.  The revenue lost from just one VM was staggering.  Walking the three blocks to the recorder's office is certainly no hardship, so you can see why it would be in the company's best interest for on-line access to vanish, even if it does provide us with some conveniences.

In some cases, on-line records are actually better than the official courthouse records.  One might be better off purchasing title plant records on-line than visiting a courthouse where the records are mismanaged and/or widely misposted.  Consider:  Most Clerks/Recorders/Registrars offices are run by polititions who know or care little about this industry.  Often the position is used as a stepping stone to a higher office.  Title plants are run by people who know and have a vested interest in the industry (with the possible exception of those companies in India that I have been reading alot about lately).  If using title plant records on-line (of equal or greater quality than the courthouse records) happens to be more cost-effective and efficient than driving 100 miles to complete 1 or 2 orders, then a wise business person would regard the option as a viable, available tool.

Using on-line records and document access, in conjunction with on-site records, can also offer an opportunity to cross-reference and pick up instruments misposted in one or the other set of records, or may offer an opportunity to search records in a more efficient manner.  Searching through separate books for each type of instrument is probably the least efficient method ever devised of searching land records.  Title plants have for years posted information by legal description, reducing the chances that the instruments that you seek will be lost in a sea of names. 

As to the cut-throat pricing, John's company does not engage in the practice.  I know this to be true because I am the one who sets the prices in most cases.  We have been forced to lower prices from time to time, I will concede.  But this has always been reactionary to the market and not to lowball business away from our fellow abstractors.  Fact is, David, our fee for a current owner search in our home county is higher than yours is in your home county.

I have been reading your posts in this forum for long enough to know that you are not one to sit around and whine when things happen to affect you and your business adversely, David.  You, perhaps more than anybody else who contributes here, get up and do something about it.  I don't think, however, that lumping malevalent use of on-line records with legitimate use is productive.  They are separate issues completely.  If on-line access goes away, I will be right there with you cheering its demise.  So will John, I would bet.  But boycotting its available value while it's here is, I think, senseless.

If you want your voice to be heard by those who have the power to make changes that will benefit our industry, a unified voice is necessary.  There is power in numbers.  A couple of years ago, some people who were posting on this site at the time made a tremendous effort to provide that power through NALTEA.  Perhaps if more of us who spend so much time lamenting our business woes on SOT would join together in this organization to create the power of numbers, rather than sit around and wait for others to do it, we could have some positive effect on the industry and, thus, our own careers. 

Again, David, I know that you are one of the doers, one of the volunteers, that make this country great.  This is not personal.





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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 10:59:30 AM (6696 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 12:18:39 PM (6751 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 2:54:56 PM (6514 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 7:15:04 PM (6513 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:30:26 PM (6933 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 5:34:20 PM (6763 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 12:20:15 PM (6767 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/20/2005 10:48:49 AM (6785 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 11:13:59 AM (6662 views)
Re: Oh, One More Thing, David... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 10:53:34 PM (6631 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - george Hubka/MI
10/27/2005 8:43:35 PM (6192 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Jeanne Mendes/CA
10/27/2005 1:50:55 AM (6546 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/28/2005 8:53:09 AM (6498 views)

New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2005 4:50:18 PM (3782 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/17/2005 5:20:20 PM (6548 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/17/2005 6:03:20 PM (6242 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Iris Buchman/FL
10/17/2005 6:03:31 PM (6499 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/18/2005 8:08:51 AM (6751 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 5:05:08 PM (6681 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/19/2005 7:47:53 AM (6510 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/19/2005 8:01:03 AM (6519 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/19/2005 8:05:39 AM (6610 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 11:55:28 AM (6605 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/19/2005 3:10:49 PM (6509 views)

LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Becky Kale/IL
10/17/2005 2:22:31 PM (3777 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Iris Buchman/FL
10/17/2005 6:02:25 PM (6450 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Jason Sheppard/PA
10/30/2005 2:53:02 AM (6040 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Becky Kale/IL
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Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Jason Sheppard/PA
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Okay, another question. - Tammy Knight/MO
10/16/2005 10:18:06 PM (3558 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2005 10:40:01 PM (6311 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Kim Cowles/FL
10/17/2005 11:27:03 AM (6533 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Bo Hope/AR
10/17/2005 6:25:38 PM (6622 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Tammy Knight/MO
10/19/2005 3:13:32 PM (6574 views)

Fed up! - Spencer Kinsey/AR
10/15/2005 12:36:11 PM (3653 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Fed up! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/16/2005 4:30:53 PM (6184 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Fed up! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/17/2005 12:16:19 PM (6447 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/17/2005 3:56:17 PM (6444 views)

indexing - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/15/2005 12:31:46 PM (3408 views)
Re: indexing - Scott Perry/PA
10/15/2005 3:07:59 PM (6098 views)
Re: indexing - monica froese/ME
10/15/2005 6:40:24 PM (5967 views)
Re: indexing - Robert Franco/OH
10/15/2005 8:05:07 PM (5981 views)
Re: indexing - monica froese/ME
10/15/2005 11:18:03 PM (5902 views)
STUCK ON "STUPID" - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2005 1:06:12 PM (5969 views)
Re: indexing - Larry Crooks/OH
10/17/2005 3:34:21 PM (6291 views)

Questions about VMC's - Donna Grady/NC
10/14/2005 10:32:19 PM (2822 views)

Anyone heard of this company.... - Loretta Reed/MD
10/14/2005 1:16:42 PM (3583 views)
Re: Anyone heard of this company.... - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 12:12:30 PM (6524 views)

A word about prices... - Robert Franco/OH
10/13/2005 5:40:44 PM (4024 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2005 9:39:16 AM (6118 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Robert Breakell/CT
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Re: A word about prices... - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: A word about prices... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: A word about prices... - Bo Hope/AR
10/16/2005 1:55:51 AM (6098 views)

Here's my rant - Loretta Reed/MD
10/13/2005 11:05:00 AM (3335 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Iris Buchman/FL
10/13/2005 4:50:59 PM (6111 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: Here's my rant - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Here's my rant - Matt Papsch/MD
10/13/2005 5:35:02 PM (6017 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Loretta Reed/MD
10/14/2005 11:47:19 AM (6227 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Here's my rant - Wendi See/SC
10/15/2005 10:24:17 PM (6081 views)

Refaxing - Danielle Nelson/WI
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Re: Refaxing - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
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Re: Refaxing - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Refaxing - Larry Crooks/OH
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Re: Refaxing - Danielle Nelson/WI
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Re: Refaxing - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Refaxing - Kelly Chamblee/OH
10/13/2005 1:37:01 PM (5952 views)
Re: Refaxing - Robert Franco/OH
10/13/2005 2:38:26 PM (6043 views)
Re: Refaxing - Susan Matson/MN
10/17/2005 9:31:57 AM (6335 views)

Rant! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/12/2005 12:49:24 AM (3241 views)
Re: Rant! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/12/2005 2:02:22 PM (5747 views)
Re: Rant! - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Rant! - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Rant! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
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Re: Rant! - Scott Perry/PA
10/12/2005 10:02:17 PM (5668 views)
Re: Rant! - Robert Franco/OH
10/13/2005 12:26:35 AM (5745 views)
Re: Rant! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/13/2005 1:22:50 AM (5694 views)
Re: Rant! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/14/2005 10:02:18 AM (5726 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2005 12:29:44 PM (5560 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/13/2005 4:56:56 AM (5578 views)
Re: Rant! - Iris Buchman/FL
10/13/2005 4:44:01 PM (5627 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Rant! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/16/2005 10:08:48 PM (5705 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/17/2005 8:21:44 AM (6045 views)

Erevna? - Tammy Knight/MO
10/12/2005 12:28:49 AM (3341 views)
Re: Erevna? - Tammy Knight/MO
10/12/2005 12:29:48 AM (5573 views)
Re: Erevna? - Becky Kale/IL
10/17/2005 2:15:26 PM (5896 views)


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