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Hey, F. Lee!! - Scott Perry/PA
9/20/2005 9:45:32 PM (2620 views)
Re: Hey, F. Lee!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/21/2005 6:40:18 AM (4302 views)

NALTEA Winter Conference... - Robert Franco/OH
9/20/2005 2:20:51 PM (2651 views)
Re: NALTEA Winter Conference... - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
9/20/2005 4:31:09 PM (4427 views)
Re: NALTEA Winter Conference... - Robert Franco/OH
9/20/2005 4:36:02 PM (4383 views)
Re: NALTEA Winter Conference... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/20/2005 7:19:18 PM (4206 views)
Re: NALTEA Winter Conference... - Robert Franco/OH
9/20/2005 9:01:10 PM (4194 views)

State of CT raises recording fees 10/05 - Gail Frey/CT
9/20/2005 12:22:26 AM (3867 views)
Re: State of CT raises recording fees 10/05 - Robert Franco/OH
9/20/2005 10:48:12 AM (5949 views)
Re: State of CT raises recording fees 10/05 - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/20/2005 7:22:05 PM (4164 views)
Re: State of CT raises recording fees 10/05 - Sam Gendusa/FL
9/22/2005 8:03:05 PM (4204 views)

United Docs NY - Gail Frey/CT
9/20/2005 12:12:20 AM (2322 views)

abstractors of america, md - Gail Frey/CT
9/20/2005 12:09:58 AM (2878 views)
Re: abstractors of america, md - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/20/2005 7:33:08 PM (4159 views)
Re: abstractors of america, md - Gail Frey/CT
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Another call from India... - Robert Franco/OH
9/19/2005 10:41:21 AM (2806 views)
Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/19/2005 11:27:32 AM (4332 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
9/19/2005 11:55:25 AM (4101 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Joshua Lonon/SC
9/19/2005 3:47:32 PM (4183 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Jay Duncan/MO
9/19/2005 4:22:06 PM (4194 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Ellen Malloy/MO
9/19/2005 8:20:32 PM (4179 views)

Robert....

In the last six months, we have gotten three calls and two emails from Indian Outsourcing Companies.  The last one was an email today from "Infinity" claiming to provide 5-16 hour service on all their products on every county in the United States.  They work "24-7" and utilize DataTrace and DataTree...plus some other data providers I didn't recognize.  I hesitate being judgmental - but it is very difficult to understand how they can offer searches, etc without knowledgeable turncoats from this country. Tri County Abstract Inc utilizes Data Trace and Data Tree - but only because it started out as another entity in the counties I serviced - and I was drug screaming and kicking into the "Joint Venture".  Once it became a joint venture, I set about computerizing the county data we had in our office already as a backup - the St Louis County data from the Recorder's office - and using St Louis City's Laredo program to back up the city.  The daily recordings from both of those counties are sent directly to India by First American/Data Trace  - which is then indexed into their database.  I have to be truthful and say that the reliability of Data Trace has spiralled in recent years since that implementation.

Even with those Databases available to us - a trip to the Courthouse is still necessary for judgments.  We have an onsite plant going back to 1973; but anything prior to that must either be researched at the recorder's office or at the title plant facility where DataTrace is now operating. So to provide a complete search, you need access to older information that is just not online.  Data Tree is lacking many documents and far from completion - the copies only go back to 1985, if that far. We make the large majority of copies ourselves.

   I learned many years back that one needs to keep all possibilities open and not rely on one data provider.  Much like a monopolizing utility company - when there are no options - there is no freedom of choice. First American is one of my better clients;  and I don't mean to criticize.  But it would seem to me that a company with the name of "First American" should be the last one to provide access to countries outside of our own.  I think many people on this board are hesitant to speak out about it, as I was, but unless there is an effort somewhere to stop this attempt at monopolization of all phases of the title industry - all of us will be looking for a job and to work for First American; would need to move to India.

   These databases have accumulated years of data from companies in existence for years and years....here it was Land Title, a company whose inhouse indexing goes back to the mid 1800's.  The computer plant is only back to 1985.  The First American/DataTrace entity here approaches title agents with a special program where the title is ordered thru First American and then insured thru First American.  Their fees are higher; but supposedly since they run the title - there will be no problem if a claim arises.  There is something inherantly wrong with a system that allows that; let alone pushes it.  And any agent who believes they have a non-compete with the local First American is sitting on on their head.  The local First American is hidden underneath the agent's paper.  No wonder companies are flipping like dolphins here in St Louis. 

That's just my local story.  Like I said, First American is a client of mine - one not located in the St Louis area.  And I am truly torn between wanting Data Trace and Data Tree to remain available - and wanting to stop the outsourcing of bulk documents out of this country.  Computerization is a necessary evil that we have to contend with.  But I can assure you - the reliability of any title coming from India is not worth the paper it is written on.  Too many glitches in the local public records to really see it all online.

...please excuse my wordiness...but ...there.  I got my humble opinion out in the open.

Ellen M Malloy
Tri County Abstract Inc.

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Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/20/2005 6:41:10 AM (4249 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Ron Rooney/SC
9/20/2005 2:00:03 PM (4343 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J Nisonger/CA
9/21/2005 7:31:16 PM (4121 views)
Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/23/2005 8:41:00 AM (5803 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 9:59:42 AM (4084 views)

Looking Glass ? - JOSEPH EMERSON/MN
9/19/2005 9:30:01 AM (2231 views)

$100 Membership for Work??? - Michaela Urban/OH
9/19/2005 8:38:36 AM (2715 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Scott Perry/PA
9/19/2005 9:07:08 AM (4068 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Michaela Urban/OH
9/19/2005 9:25:08 AM (3760 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:43:23 PM (3824 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/19/2005 11:27:51 PM (3862 views)

Inquiring - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 1:01:14 AM (2635 views)
Re: Inquiring - Joanie Hahr/VT
9/19/2005 6:57:50 AM (4018 views)
Re: Inquiring - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:39:38 PM (3968 views)

David Bloys - J Nisonger/CA
9/19/2005 1:00:17 AM (2592 views)
Re: David Bloys - David Bloys/TX
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Re: David Bloys - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 3:14:23 AM (3942 views)

Just wondering - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:59:27 AM (2727 views)
Re: Just wondering - J Nisonger/CA
9/19/2005 1:04:24 AM (3952 views)
Re: Just wondering - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:36:00 PM (3888 views)

BRB Abstracting - Matt Papsch/MD
9/16/2005 7:44:46 PM (2848 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Susie/OH
9/16/2005 11:46:44 PM (4056 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Matt Papsch/MD
9/17/2005 12:02:22 PM (4069 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Beverly Bowen/WI
1/12/2006 2:08:49 PM (3643 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Scott Perry/PA
9/17/2005 4:00:01 PM (4046 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Norean/GA
9/17/2005 11:14:08 PM (3960 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Matt Papsch/MD
9/19/2005 4:20:12 PM (3948 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Beverly Bowen/WI
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Re: BRB Abstracting - Beverly Bowen/WI
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Should've known better - Julie Jasiunas/WI
9/16/2005 10:08:17 AM (2913 views)
Re: Should've known better - Matt Papsch/MD
9/17/2005 12:00:36 PM (4186 views)
Re: Should've known better - Scott Perry/PA
9/17/2005 3:52:41 PM (4021 views)
Re: Should've known better - Matt Papsch/MD
9/19/2005 4:16:17 PM (3921 views)
Re: Should've known better - David Bloys/TX
9/19/2005 5:47:19 PM (4002 views)
Re: Should've known better - Nikki Marangoni/FL
10/3/2005 2:58:16 PM (3938 views)
Re: Should've known better - Julie Jasiunas/WI
10/3/2005 3:55:07 PM (3761 views)
Re: Should've known better - Scott Perry/PA
10/3/2005 9:03:38 PM (4183 views)
Re: Should've known better - David Bloys/TX
10/3/2005 10:31:56 PM (3979 views)
Re: Should've known better - Matt Papsch/MD
10/20/2005 2:22:42 AM (3963 views)
Re: Should've known better - Nikki Marangoni/FL
10/4/2005 7:13:49 PM (3800 views)
Re: Should've known better - David Bloys/TX
10/4/2005 9:34:54 PM (3826 views)
Re: Should've known better - Julie Jasiunas/WI
10/4/2005 9:36:38 PM (3687 views)
Re: Should've known better - Nikki Marangoni/FL
10/5/2005 11:27:31 AM (3707 views)
Re: Should've known better - Julie Jasiunas/WI
10/11/2005 4:35:36 PM (3842 views)

How long? - Laurie/MD
9/14/2005 4:17:01 PM (2695 views)
Re: How long? - Jay Duncan/MO
9/14/2005 5:24:58 PM (4937 views)
Re: How long? - Patrick Scott/IL
9/14/2005 6:14:13 PM (3618 views)
Re: How long? - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/14/2005 6:44:15 PM (3754 views)

10,000 Registered Users! - Robert Franco/OH
9/14/2005 11:19:21 AM (2561 views)
Re: 10,000 Registered Users! - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
9/14/2005 11:41:02 AM (3453 views)
Re: 10,000 Registered Users! - Dave Pell/FL
9/14/2005 11:43:26 AM (3474 views)
Re: 10,000 Registered Users! - Matthew DeLand/NY
9/14/2005 1:27:31 PM (3492 views)
Re: 10,000 Registered Users! - Wanda Steudel/OH
9/16/2005 6:41:44 PM (3491 views)


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