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You asked for it... - Jay Duncan/MO
8/17/2005 5:05:10 PM (2077 views)

fees - Lynn Hammett/SC
8/16/2005 7:53:23 PM (2813 views)
Re: fees - Edward Mastrianni/CT
8/16/2005 9:49:18 PM (3760 views)
Re: fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 10:36:52 PM (3766 views)
Re: fees - Scott Perry/PA
8/16/2005 11:16:36 PM (3809 views)
Re: fees - Smitty Strickland/SC
8/17/2005 9:44:08 AM (3693 views)
Re: fees - Robert Franco/OH
8/17/2005 11:03:24 AM (3744 views)
Re: fees - Jill Kissell/IA
8/22/2005 8:17:56 AM (3743 views)

The royal shaft! - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2005 1:51:13 PM (2872 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/16/2005 1:57:05 PM (3713 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Wanda Steudel/OH
8/16/2005 4:59:38 PM (3835 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2005 6:12:40 PM (5170 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/17/2005 10:56:59 PM (3697 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Wanda Steudel/OH
8/18/2005 11:03:46 AM (3768 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Mary Mitchel/NY
8/18/2005 12:49:48 PM (3703 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Denald McCarthy/MA
8/22/2005 10:48:48 AM (3599 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Robert Franco/OH
8/22/2005 11:29:18 AM (3632 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Donna Grady/NC
8/27/2005 8:02:31 PM (3522 views)

Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 9:56:01 AM (2852 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - monica froese/ME
8/16/2005 3:06:57 PM (3851 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - David Bloys/TX
8/16/2005 7:07:41 PM (3846 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Scott Perry/PA
8/16/2005 6:32:51 PM (3808 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Jason Sheppard/PA
8/23/2005 2:38:05 PM (3706 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Robert Franco/OH
8/23/2005 3:49:46 PM (3738 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Scott Perry/PA
8/23/2005 7:11:59 PM (3671 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Jason Sheppard/PA
8/23/2005 9:05:17 PM (3723 views)

Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/15/2005 9:42:28 PM (3551 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 9:51:42 PM (3766 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/15/2005 10:04:58 PM (3759 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 11:16:04 PM (3756 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Glenda Hodge/TN
8/16/2005 2:21:52 AM (3720 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/16/2005 8:54:48 AM (3756 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 9:51:48 AM (3794 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2005 9:55:48 AM (3660 views)




County Indexing Systems - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/15/2005 4:29:36 PM (2591 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 6:36:21 PM (3555 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Scott Perry/PA
8/15/2005 10:44:51 PM (3715 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 11:05:23 PM (3575 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - David Bloys/TX
8/16/2005 12:04:31 AM (3593 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 9:40:34 AM (3666 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Helene/GA
8/25/2005 11:59:50 PM (3524 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/26/2005 11:06:17 AM (3524 views)

Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Kurt deVries/FL
8/15/2005 12:15:36 PM (2447 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 1:27:14 PM (3460 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:09:32 PM (3465 views)

Ever had this happen to you? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/13/2005 5:27:40 PM (2593 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/13/2005 6:33:43 PM (3653 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 9:10:36 AM (5028 views)

This is a problem that is going to continue and will only become worse with the passage of time. The escalation of expenses (primarily gasoline) and the constant pressures to reduce our prices has only one result...declining profit margin. I suppose we could hold firm on our prices in the hope that clients will eventually come to their senses and realize that the quality of the search justifies a fair price for the work entailed therein, but in a profit driven industry that does not seem to be working. It seems to result in declining client bases because as we all know there are the unskilled and uninsured abstractors that will perform the searches.

Some of us can take solice in the belief (no matter how mistaken) that we have a hard core list of clients that will never leave, but as we all know there is no such thing as client loyalty, and the belief is unfounded. The problem seems to be in the desire of clients to maximize their profit at the expense of the abstractor. For those of you that perform closings in addition to abstracting, I think you have all seen the prices shown on HUD 1 forms that borrowers are charged for searches/recordings and closings. I think you will agree that the prices are a far cry from what the abstractors and signing agents actually receive for their work. There is a huge mark up. It seems to stem from the title companies desire to maximize profit. However, such is life in a free enterprize system. From what I have seen on this board and research I have performed, it is not clear whether RESPA governs third party mark ups depending on the Federal Circuit in which you reside...there are other laws that may however govern this issue.

The abstractors are losing ground everyday, and are going to continue to be victimized by clients with low ball pricing, unreasonable requests for additional service with no corresponding additional charge and delinquent payments. The challenge for the abstractor is to find a way to compete effectively. 

At the risk of being repetitious, I am going to revisit a discussion that we had on this board a while back. For those of you that are not interested, I will understand if you want to tune out now.

Last October we explored the idea of forming a Vendor Management/Title Company in the form of either our own corporation or LLC. Anyone out there think that it may be time to take a second look at this? 

There were a number of concerns at that time:

     How do we fund it?  As with all new businesses, initially it would take
     an infusion of capital from shareholders or LLC members buying in.
     Subsequently it could be self supporting just as any other title company.
     If there are profits at the end of the year they can be dividended back
     to the shareholders or LLC members.

     Fair prices for work performed? The work would be assigned to
     shareholders/LLC members first. It is a closed system. We go to the
     outside only if there is no abstractor or signing agent available in the
     area for an assignment. We set the prices for our work. We by pass
     the title companies entirely, and approach the lenders directly as client's.
     We charge the lenders fair prices ...possibly more competitive than the 
     title companies with which they are currently dealing, but taking into
     account the prices we want for our services. The problem we
     seem to be running into currently is with our clients pressuring us for 
     price reductions, not the lenders. The lenders just factor the search
     fees and closing costs into their expenses, and pass them along to the
     borrowers.

     Blue sky laws? There was some concern as to having to conform
     to a patch work of state laws protecting individuals from business
     opporntunity scams. These laws are good and do in fact protect people
     from predatory scam artists, but it is difficult for a legitimate company to
     conform its business model to many different state laws which are often
     not uniform in their application.

     There is a simple solution. We can opt for federal regulation under the
     Federal Trade Commission rather than state regulation. It is designed
     for companies engaged in interstate commerce rather than intrastate
     commerce.If we are under federal jurisdiction we need to conform to
     only one uniform law rather than 50 conflicting statutes.

     Will we be competing with ourselves? There was much concern as
     to whether individuals buying into the LLC would be competing with
     themselves or losing business which they had already built up over the
     years. The answer to your question is no. In addition from taking
     assignments from the corporation/LLC that you own, you retain all the
     clients you previously had, and continue to develop your business on
     the side. You are currently dealing with vendor managers and title
     companies as clients. Your LLC is going to be dealing directly with
     lenders as clients, and assigning the work to its members. If the
     corporation/LLC is organized properly you could potentially receive
     higher fees for your work than those for which you are struggling to
     maintain now with your current list of clients.

It is time to start thinking big.

 

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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Julie Jasiunas/WI
8/14/2005 11:01:55 AM (3586 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/14/2005 1:14:49 PM (3684 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 2:51:52 PM (3640 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/14/2005 7:15:22 PM (3690 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 9:24:14 PM (3464 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/14/2005 10:10:39 PM (3639 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 6:24:02 AM (3637 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 7:43:38 AM (3519 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 9:37:39 AM (3415 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 6:44:46 PM (3431 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 7:28:15 PM (3466 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 9:08:55 PM (4780 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/16/2005 5:52:36 AM (3639 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/17/2005 9:57:47 AM (4659 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/17/2005 10:09:42 AM (4823 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Scott Perry/PA
8/14/2005 6:01:13 PM (3636 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 6:55:39 PM (3573 views)
Thank you so much!!! - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/14/2005 10:23:17 PM (3571 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Spencer Kinsey/AR
8/15/2005 12:11:54 AM (3486 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:07:07 AM (3391 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:04:06 AM (3342 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:23:25 AM (3353 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:52:42 AM (3379 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 12:07:39 PM (3537 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 12:19:50 PM (3386 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 12:25:46 PM (3440 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:13:32 PM (3458 views)

Update to My Post of 08.05.2005 - Scott Perry/PA
8/13/2005 11:18:39 AM (2436 views)
Re: Update to My Post of 08.05.2005 - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/13/2005 6:36:33 PM (3423 views)

Police Mortgage? - Kevin Horan/PA
8/12/2005 11:17:13 AM (2074 views)

Next NALTEA Conference - Kevin Horan/PA
8/12/2005 11:09:01 AM (2426 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Jay Duncan/MO
8/12/2005 1:53:08 PM (3233 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/12/2005 2:03:22 PM (3195 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference...Here is where we are staying - Jay Duncan/MO
8/12/2005 5:30:36 PM (3260 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Kevin Horan/PA
8/15/2005 12:41:07 PM (3103 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:01:35 PM (3246 views)

New Interest - Gladys Brown/NC
8/11/2005 5:59:50 PM (2423 views)
Re: New Interest - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/11/2005 11:40:19 PM (3375 views)
Re: New Interest - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/12/2005 7:23:56 AM (3469 views)
Re: New Interest - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/12/2005 9:33:38 AM (3653 views)
Re: New Interest - Gladys Brown/NC
8/12/2005 11:12:12 AM (3193 views)

HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - J Nisonger/CA
8/10/2005 5:07:11 PM (2529 views)
Re: HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/10/2005 5:43:23 PM (3474 views)
Re: HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - J Nisonger/CA
8/10/2005 8:34:25 PM (3478 views)

Policy Manual - Wendi See/SC
8/10/2005 1:05:21 PM (2131 views)

looking to expand - Gladys Brown/NC
8/10/2005 10:16:39 AM (2463 views)
Re: looking to expand - Markita Meeks/MI
8/10/2005 12:19:28 PM (3543 views)
Re: looking to expand - J Nisonger/CA
8/10/2005 4:57:14 PM (3891 views)
Re: looking to expand - Donna Grady/NC
8/10/2005 11:39:13 PM (3624 views)
Re: looking to expand - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/11/2005 12:09:12 PM (3474 views)
Re: looking to expand - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/12/2005 10:01:28 AM (3567 views)
Re: looking to expand - Donna Grady/NC
8/24/2005 12:22:12 AM (3464 views)


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