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Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/15/2005 9:42:28 PM (3708 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 9:51:42 PM (4041 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/15/2005 10:04:58 PM (4107 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 11:16:04 PM (4091 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Glenda Hodge/TN
8/16/2005 2:21:52 AM (3986 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/16/2005 8:54:48 AM (4036 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 9:51:48 AM (4129 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2005 9:55:48 AM (3960 views)

County Indexing Systems - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/15/2005 4:29:36 PM (2666 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 6:36:21 PM (4002 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Scott Perry/PA
8/15/2005 10:44:51 PM (4043 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 11:05:23 PM (3956 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - David Bloys/TX
8/16/2005 12:04:31 AM (3908 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 9:40:34 AM (4006 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Helene/GA
8/25/2005 11:59:50 PM (3869 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/26/2005 11:06:17 AM (3880 views)

Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Kurt deVries/FL
8/15/2005 12:15:36 PM (2524 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 1:27:14 PM (3808 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:09:32 PM (3853 views)

Ever had this happen to you? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/13/2005 5:27:40 PM (2669 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/13/2005 6:33:43 PM (3987 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 9:10:36 AM (5372 views)

This is a problem that is going to continue and will only become worse with the passage of time. The escalation of expenses (primarily gasoline) and the constant pressures to reduce our prices has only one result...declining profit margin. I suppose we could hold firm on our prices in the hope that clients will eventually come to their senses and realize that the quality of the search justifies a fair price for the work entailed therein, but in a profit driven industry that does not seem to be working. It seems to result in declining client bases because as we all know there are the unskilled and uninsured abstractors that will perform the searches.

Some of us can take solice in the belief (no matter how mistaken) that we have a hard core list of clients that will never leave, but as we all know there is no such thing as client loyalty, and the belief is unfounded. The problem seems to be in the desire of clients to maximize their profit at the expense of the abstractor. For those of you that perform closings in addition to abstracting, I think you have all seen the prices shown on HUD 1 forms that borrowers are charged for searches/recordings and closings. I think you will agree that the prices are a far cry from what the abstractors and signing agents actually receive for their work. There is a huge mark up. It seems to stem from the title companies desire to maximize profit. However, such is life in a free enterprize system. From what I have seen on this board and research I have performed, it is not clear whether RESPA governs third party mark ups depending on the Federal Circuit in which you reside...there are other laws that may however govern this issue.

The abstractors are losing ground everyday, and are going to continue to be victimized by clients with low ball pricing, unreasonable requests for additional service with no corresponding additional charge and delinquent payments. The challenge for the abstractor is to find a way to compete effectively. 

At the risk of being repetitious, I am going to revisit a discussion that we had on this board a while back. For those of you that are not interested, I will understand if you want to tune out now.

Last October we explored the idea of forming a Vendor Management/Title Company in the form of either our own corporation or LLC. Anyone out there think that it may be time to take a second look at this? 

There were a number of concerns at that time:

     How do we fund it?  As with all new businesses, initially it would take
     an infusion of capital from shareholders or LLC members buying in.
     Subsequently it could be self supporting just as any other title company.
     If there are profits at the end of the year they can be dividended back
     to the shareholders or LLC members.

     Fair prices for work performed? The work would be assigned to
     shareholders/LLC members first. It is a closed system. We go to the
     outside only if there is no abstractor or signing agent available in the
     area for an assignment. We set the prices for our work. We by pass
     the title companies entirely, and approach the lenders directly as client's.
     We charge the lenders fair prices ...possibly more competitive than the 
     title companies with which they are currently dealing, but taking into
     account the prices we want for our services. The problem we
     seem to be running into currently is with our clients pressuring us for 
     price reductions, not the lenders. The lenders just factor the search
     fees and closing costs into their expenses, and pass them along to the
     borrowers.

     Blue sky laws? There was some concern as to having to conform
     to a patch work of state laws protecting individuals from business
     opporntunity scams. These laws are good and do in fact protect people
     from predatory scam artists, but it is difficult for a legitimate company to
     conform its business model to many different state laws which are often
     not uniform in their application.

     There is a simple solution. We can opt for federal regulation under the
     Federal Trade Commission rather than state regulation. It is designed
     for companies engaged in interstate commerce rather than intrastate
     commerce.If we are under federal jurisdiction we need to conform to
     only one uniform law rather than 50 conflicting statutes.

     Will we be competing with ourselves? There was much concern as
     to whether individuals buying into the LLC would be competing with
     themselves or losing business which they had already built up over the
     years. The answer to your question is no. In addition from taking
     assignments from the corporation/LLC that you own, you retain all the
     clients you previously had, and continue to develop your business on
     the side. You are currently dealing with vendor managers and title
     companies as clients. Your LLC is going to be dealing directly with
     lenders as clients, and assigning the work to its members. If the
     corporation/LLC is organized properly you could potentially receive
     higher fees for your work than those for which you are struggling to
     maintain now with your current list of clients.

It is time to start thinking big.

 

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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Julie Jasiunas/WI
8/14/2005 11:01:55 AM (3923 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/14/2005 1:14:49 PM (3987 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 2:51:52 PM (3957 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/14/2005 7:15:22 PM (4002 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 9:24:14 PM (3788 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/14/2005 10:10:39 PM (3958 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 6:24:02 AM (3960 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 7:43:38 AM (3845 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 9:37:39 AM (3742 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 6:44:46 PM (3746 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 7:28:15 PM (3786 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 9:08:55 PM (5123 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/16/2005 5:52:36 AM (3938 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/17/2005 9:57:47 AM (4952 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/17/2005 10:09:42 AM (5138 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Scott Perry/PA
8/14/2005 6:01:13 PM (3954 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 6:55:39 PM (3910 views)
Thank you so much!!! - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/14/2005 10:23:17 PM (3882 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Spencer Kinsey/AR
8/15/2005 12:11:54 AM (3784 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:07:07 AM (3705 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:04:06 AM (3635 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:23:25 AM (3711 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:52:42 AM (3673 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 12:07:39 PM (3830 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 12:19:50 PM (3688 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 12:25:46 PM (3738 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:13:32 PM (3757 views)

Update to My Post of 08.05.2005 - Scott Perry/PA
8/13/2005 11:18:39 AM (2525 views)
Re: Update to My Post of 08.05.2005 - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/13/2005 6:36:33 PM (3749 views)




Police Mortgage? - Kevin Horan/PA
8/12/2005 11:17:13 AM (2158 views)

Next NALTEA Conference - Kevin Horan/PA
8/12/2005 11:09:01 AM (2494 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Jay Duncan/MO
8/12/2005 1:53:08 PM (3494 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/12/2005 2:03:22 PM (3474 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference...Here is where we are staying - Jay Duncan/MO
8/12/2005 5:30:36 PM (3529 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Kevin Horan/PA
8/15/2005 12:41:07 PM (3381 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:01:35 PM (3541 views)

New Interest - Gladys Brown/NC
8/11/2005 5:59:50 PM (2533 views)
Re: New Interest - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/11/2005 11:40:19 PM (3634 views)
Re: New Interest - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/12/2005 7:23:56 AM (3783 views)
Re: New Interest - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/12/2005 9:33:38 AM (3918 views)
Re: New Interest - Gladys Brown/NC
8/12/2005 11:12:12 AM (3451 views)

HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - J Nisonger/CA
8/10/2005 5:07:11 PM (2608 views)
Re: HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/10/2005 5:43:23 PM (3773 views)
Re: HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - J Nisonger/CA
8/10/2005 8:34:25 PM (3761 views)

Policy Manual - Wendi See/SC
8/10/2005 1:05:21 PM (2205 views)

looking to expand - Gladys Brown/NC
8/10/2005 10:16:39 AM (2547 views)
Re: looking to expand - Markita Meeks/MI
8/10/2005 12:19:28 PM (3847 views)
Re: looking to expand - J Nisonger/CA
8/10/2005 4:57:14 PM (4203 views)
Re: looking to expand - Donna Grady/NC
8/10/2005 11:39:13 PM (3922 views)
Re: looking to expand - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/11/2005 12:09:12 PM (3733 views)
Re: looking to expand - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/12/2005 10:01:28 AM (3852 views)
Re: looking to expand - Donna Grady/NC
8/24/2005 12:22:12 AM (3746 views)

Thoughts?? - Michaela Urban/OH
8/10/2005 12:51:57 AM (2764 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Jay Duncan/MO
8/10/2005 8:42:10 AM (3931 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - David Bloys/TX
8/10/2005 9:37:34 AM (5834 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/10/2005 4:52:39 PM (4003 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Anne Gilbert/VT
8/10/2005 8:04:18 PM (3803 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Scott Perry/PA
8/10/2005 9:10:40 PM (3821 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Donna Grady/NC
8/11/2005 12:08:08 AM (3743 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/12/2005 9:03:06 AM (3782 views)

Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 11:54:32 AM (2751 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/9/2005 12:23:50 PM (4231 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 12:43:04 PM (4313 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/9/2005 1:07:16 PM (3951 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Steve Schneider/IN
8/9/2005 8:29:03 PM (4339 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Julie Jasiunas/WI
8/9/2005 12:39:41 PM (4283 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 12:46:12 PM (4200 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Julie Jasiunas/WI
8/9/2005 6:52:15 PM (4018 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Robert Franco/OH
8/9/2005 1:48:13 PM (3983 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 2:27:30 PM (3966 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/9/2005 2:33:43 PM (4006 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Robert Franco/OH
8/9/2005 3:04:09 PM (4357 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 3:23:48 PM (4281 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/9/2005 4:29:09 PM (4089 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Scott Perry/PA
8/9/2005 6:20:35 PM (4074 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/9/2005 7:22:33 PM (4056 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Scott Perry/PA
8/9/2005 7:47:07 PM (4480 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/9/2005 8:44:54 PM (4144 views)
Jireh Business Info Solutions Factoid: - Scott Perry/PA
8/9/2005 9:10:15 PM (4122 views)
Re: Jireh Business Info Solutions Factoid: - Robert Franco/OH
8/9/2005 9:46:45 PM (4316 views)
Re: Jireh Business Info Solutions Factoid: - Scott Perry/PA
8/9/2005 9:59:09 PM (4213 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 8:34:35 PM (4111 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Glenda Hodge/TN
8/10/2005 1:53:44 AM (4125 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Douglas Gallant/OH
8/10/2005 5:11:59 PM (3935 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/12/2005 7:16:20 AM (3848 views)

Muchas Gracias, Roberto! - Scott Perry/PA
8/8/2005 9:57:19 PM (2224 views)

BANNED FROM SOT - VIVIAN SLYKER/OH
8/8/2005 4:01:14 PM (2378 views)


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