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So, You Want To Out-Source Overseas??? - Jay Duncan/MO
7/7/2005 12:49:46 PM (3552 views)
Re: So, You Want To Out-Source Overseas??? - Jay Duncan/MO
7/7/2005 4:11:52 PM (5213 views)
Re: So, You Want To Out-Source Overseas??? - David Bloys/TX
7/10/2005 10:48:55 PM (6134 views)

Nationwide Title Clearing - Danielle Nelson/WI
7/7/2005 10:27:44 AM (2684 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/7/2005 12:47:25 PM (3768 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
7/7/2005 4:02:56 PM (3513 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - george Hubka/MI
7/7/2005 11:06:30 PM (3344 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
7/8/2005 8:18:14 AM (3343 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Bannon Lucas/FL
7/15/2005 11:30:07 AM (3384 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Robert Franco/OH
7/15/2005 12:41:55 PM (3364 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/16/2005 2:31:48 PM (3193 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/16/2005 11:02:26 PM (3227 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/19/2005 10:45:01 AM (3219 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Bannon Lucas/FL
7/20/2005 4:35:33 PM (3442 views)

Abstractor Software... - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2005 5:03:56 PM (2012 views)

Texas Courthouses - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/2/2005 1:06:43 PM (2050 views)

Women in business resource - J Nisonger/CA
7/1/2005 11:55:16 AM (3026 views)




Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/29/2005 4:02:29 PM (2592 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/29/2005 5:03:27 PM (3301 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/29/2005 7:17:46 PM (3492 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/29/2005 11:39:52 PM (3587 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/30/2005 6:49:16 AM (3399 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/30/2005 8:41:48 AM (3663 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/30/2005 10:05:58 AM (3541 views)

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking.  If you are asking what I think the liability IS, then I would agree with Kevin.  You are liable to your client, and your abstractor is liable to you.  If the mistake was due to the abstractor's negligence, then you would be liable for the full amount to your client, and the abstractor would be liable for the same amount to you.

If you are asking what I think the liability SHOULD be, then I would say that this is what title insurance is for.  The insurer charged the premium based on the risks involved and they should assume all of the risk over and above the cost of the search.  Abstracting is a human service and humans make mistakes - that is one of the risks incurred in issuing a policy.

The problem with seeking damages from the abstractor is that most abstractors can not afford to pay them and a couple of E&O claims could easily put them out of business. The current fee structure that abstractors are able to charge really only compensates them for their time - not the liability.  I think most of the clients know this and it is unrealistic to expect the abstractor to shoulder all of the liability.

So, the way it should work, in my opinion... the insurer should pay the claim and if they feel that their abstractor isn't producing the quality necessary for their purpose, they should not use that abstractor again.  On the other hand, if they know the abstractor produces high quality, but missed something due to the fact that "to err is human" than they just have to accept the fact that there was a loss.

I don't think anyone should be liable for anything until a claim on the policy has been submitted to the underwriter.  When agents try to "take care" of a potential problem on their own, without submitting a claim - I think that should be their burden. 

If a claim is made, then it should be up to the underwriter whether or not they want to seek damages from the abstractor.   In my opinion, the underwriters should only use that option when absolutely necessary - if the abstractor didn't conduct the search according to the local title standards then there should be some liability.  However if the abstractor did everything properly, and just made an "honest mistake," then I don't think it is appropriate to seek damages.

The problem here is that is not always easy to distinguish between gross negligence and an honest mistake.  It is a judgment call that the underwriters should have to make.

There are a lot of risks that the underwriters are willing to accept.  Many potential issues are knowingly insured over.  I think that an honest mistake should be one of the acceptable losses, especially since they are receiving a portion of the premium based on the level of risk.  They can minimize the risk of searching error by using skilled, professional abstractors, rather than the cheapest  available.

This is an issue that I have been thinking a lot about lately and I do have a possible solution.  I am hoping to discuss it with representatives from Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and HUD at the AFN conference next month.  I want to get their input, as the consumer, and then I will share it with everyone.

Thanks for the thread - great topic.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/30/2005 12:37:48 PM (3380 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Regina Engebritson Engebritson/MN
8/10/2005 8:33:33 PM (3303 views)

reporting tax status on searches - christine/MA
6/29/2005 9:02:48 AM (2580 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
6/29/2005 10:45:43 AM (3333 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Steve Schneider/IN
6/29/2005 12:48:32 PM (3311 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Danielle Nelson/WI
6/29/2005 12:58:02 PM (3243 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Scott Perry/PA
6/29/2005 5:45:48 PM (3265 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Kim Haase/MT
6/30/2005 1:26:31 AM (3552 views)

In Response to Robert's Thread of 6/24 - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 9:16:08 AM (3164 views)

Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/26/2005 11:23:26 PM (2593 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 9:20:06 AM (3385 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - Deborah Manion/VA
6/27/2005 9:39:35 AM (3344 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/27/2005 5:18:18 PM (3207 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 8:37:06 PM (3300 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - David Chisolm/MS
6/30/2005 5:12:56 PM (3342 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/30/2005 6:21:49 PM (3371 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
7/2/2005 12:17:02 AM (3396 views)

QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
6/26/2005 10:21:53 PM (2436 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Robert Franco/OH
6/27/2005 12:54:39 AM (3348 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Christy Rathbun/CT
6/27/2005 2:00:24 AM (3391 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
6/30/2005 7:14:47 PM (3749 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Cherie Smurthwaite/CA
6/30/2005 10:01:20 PM (3611 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - J Nisonger/CA
7/1/2005 1:11:29 PM (3700 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Robert Franco/OH
7/1/2005 3:33:03 PM (3517 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
7/2/2005 12:21:20 PM (3584 views)

Non-payment for services rendered - Serena Stout/VA
6/24/2005 12:08:53 PM (2869 views)
Re: Non-payment for services rendered - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 1:39:21 PM (7155 views)
Re: Non-payment for services rendered - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/24/2005 2:55:09 PM (3745 views)
Serena, is that you - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 3:57:51 PM (3476 views)

The worst invention ever! - Robert Franco/OH
6/24/2005 9:32:21 AM (2740 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Jay Duncan/MO
6/24/2005 9:44:30 AM (3498 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - David Nixon/MA
6/24/2005 12:08:29 PM (3477 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 9:49:59 AM (3479 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 3:55:26 PM (3373 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 4:48:38 PM (3406 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Kelly Chamblee/OH
6/27/2005 5:37:53 PM (3223 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Norean/GA
7/1/2005 6:19:22 PM (3320 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/2/2005 1:04:32 PM (3719 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Jeanne Mendes/CA
8/30/2005 5:41:59 AM (3254 views)

Sorry.... - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/23/2005 5:33:58 PM (2006 views)

TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 10:36:17 AM (3739 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Kim Haase/MT
6/23/2005 11:50:43 AM (3488 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 12:15:19 PM (3590 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 12:58:16 PM (3495 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 1:50:32 PM (6356 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 1:55:43 PM (6107 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 2:02:08 PM (3526 views)
THANK YOU TO LISA & DAVID - Kim Haase/MT
6/24/2005 3:27:52 AM (3442 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
6/27/2005 3:14:02 PM (3232 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/27/2005 6:46:02 PM (3280 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2005 8:01:17 AM (3254 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/28/2005 11:29:35 AM (3155 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/28/2005 3:04:43 PM (6058 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Robert Franco/OH
6/28/2005 3:22:23 PM (3188 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2005 11:40:25 PM (3237 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/29/2005 11:23:17 AM (3308 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/29/2005 11:17:46 PM (3542 views)

Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/22/2005 6:10:51 PM (2621 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 11:39:44 AM (3435 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/23/2005 1:55:44 PM (3549 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Ellen Malloy/MO
6/23/2005 9:21:20 PM (3438 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/24/2005 12:06:26 PM (3440 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/24/2005 12:56:46 PM (3182 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/24/2005 3:12:14 PM (3364 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 4:05:54 PM (3251 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/25/2005 2:14:51 PM (3354 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/27/2005 2:48:58 PM (3281 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/27/2005 3:35:47 PM (3221 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Jay Duncan/MO
6/27/2005 5:37:43 PM (3288 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/26/2005 6:07:23 PM (3243 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
6/25/2005 11:59:33 PM (3217 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 7:49:42 AM (3125 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/26/2005 9:29:36 AM (3247 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 1:02:56 PM (3301 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/26/2005 4:01:20 PM (3208 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 4:38:20 PM (3187 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/27/2005 3:03:57 PM (3193 views)


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