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NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Robb Grandon/OH
6/1/2005 8:39:37 AM (2903 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Robb Grandon/OH
6/2/2005 9:24:07 AM (3312 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Susie/OH
6/4/2005 2:25:40 PM (3455 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:35:31 PM (3223 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - MARC DAVIS/NY
6/22/2005 9:05:44 AM (3173 views)

6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/1/2005 12:03:01 AM (2531 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/13/2005 5:48:02 PM (3339 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Robert Franco/OH
6/13/2005 5:52:16 PM (3304 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/13/2005 6:02:59 PM (3249 views)

Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/31/2005 11:42:41 AM (2777 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2005 1:45:06 PM (3395 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 2:46:31 PM (3593 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Kim Haase/MT
5/31/2005 3:05:27 PM (3592 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Donna Grady/NC
6/1/2005 7:50:07 AM (3226 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/1/2005 11:34:09 AM (3363 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:45:29 PM (3020 views)

Get Certified!!! - Natl Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstractors/MO
5/31/2005 11:20:26 AM (3979 views)
Re: Get Certified!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/31/2005 7:42:49 PM (3351 views)
Re: Get Certified!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 7:49:35 PM (3284 views)

re:informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/29/2005 11:21:26 AM (1951 views)


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IF YOU LOVE YOUR FREEDOM, THANK A "GRUNT" - Scott Perry/PA
5/28/2005 11:33:12 AM (2414 views)
Re: IF YOU LOVE YOUR FREEDOM, THANK A "GRUNT" - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 7:39:07 PM (3138 views)

Remember this Memorial Day - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:07:09 PM (2042 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Francine Miller/NY
5/27/2005 4:19:31 PM (3225 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/27/2005 9:43:59 PM (3326 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Kim Haase/MT
5/29/2005 11:26:43 AM (3075 views)

Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/27/2005 1:20:33 PM (2224 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/27/2005 2:30:48 PM (3333 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2005 2:51:26 PM (3440 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/27/2005 9:38:52 PM (3367 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/27/2005 11:20:25 PM (3359 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/28/2005 10:43:18 AM (3226 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/28/2005 9:12:21 PM (3216 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/28/2005 10:19:51 PM (3335 views)

I will first remark, Jason, that my company does not engage in the practices described in this thread.  They appear to be the act of "fee splitting" where one company is receiving partial fees for services not performed by the company.  This is specifically prohibited by RESPA

In Illinois, there are a number of class action lawsuits pertaining to overcharging for recording fees, courier fees, etc.  The title companies are paying.  Not all allegations are necessarily RESPA related, but also charges of fraud, undo enrichment and whatever else the plaintiff attorneys can come up with.  If you are doing business in Illinois, charge for work not performed at your peril.

There are some instances, however, where some of the fees may be warranted.  The title search and title exam are charged for, whether or not they are listed on the HUD as a separate line item.  If they are not, then they are rolled into the title premium or the closing fee with other overhead costs.

A lender may actually request that you separate the fees because certain fees (i.e. the closing fee) affect the APR and the lender wishes to keep the APR low.  Thus the title company lowers the APR affecting closing fee by the same amount of the new title exam or title search fee.

So, I think that you need to look at the whole picture before drawing conclusions on some of the charges that you see.  The overall price may be the same but there is actually more disclosure in the hypothetical I described above.

However, the examples from Jason and Shannon appear to me to be straight forward RESPA violations.  As to the legality aside from RESPA, I prefer to wait for comment by Mr. Ahern or other attorneys who are inclined to donate their time and legal knowledge.  My disclaimer is below.

This posting was prepared by a person who is not an attorney and who does not intend for this posting to be construed in any way as legal advice or the practice of law.  Any person or entity who misconstrues this posting as legal advice or unauthorized practice of law should ignore the entire post.

The above disclaimer was prepared by a person who is not an attorney, does not play one on TV, and is not related to one.  The entire disclaimer should be ignored, along with its preceding post/message, by everyone.

The above disclaimer is not meant in any way to make light of the legal profession or to injure any feelings.  It was prepared by a regular person, who wishes no harm to any who visit this forum, in a lighthearted spirit.  Please disregard this entire mess.

To echo some previous posts, God Bless Our Troops!  Have a great Memorial Day weekend!

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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/29/2005 9:02:16 AM (3284 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/29/2005 10:37:13 PM (3260 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 5:58:41 AM (3172 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 12:25:31 PM (3172 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Scott Perry/PA
5/30/2005 9:32:44 AM (3173 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/30/2005 1:54:46 PM (3102 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2005 5:03:09 PM (3087 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 6:21:13 PM (3208 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 4:49:02 PM (3449 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 7:46:49 PM (3324 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/31/2005 10:13:06 PM (3403 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 11:23:55 PM (3149 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 11:42:51 PM (3143 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
6/1/2005 10:05:56 AM (3223 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/29/2005 11:30:43 AM (3376 views)

Frontier Counties - David Bloys/TX
5/27/2005 11:22:17 AM (2750 views)

Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 1:14:32 AM (2221 views)
Re: Informal poll - Loretta Reed/MD
5/27/2005 8:08:43 AM (3419 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 9:41:31 AM (3346 views)
Re: Informal poll - Loretta Reed/MD
5/27/2005 11:26:01 AM (3333 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 12:38:11 PM (3352 views)
Re: Informal poll - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2005 10:28:13 AM (3465 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 12:31:28 PM (3404 views)
Re: Informal poll - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/27/2005 2:52:14 PM (3410 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:05:31 PM (3350 views)
Re: Informal poll - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/27/2005 4:17:53 PM (3400 views)
Re: Informal poll - Robb Grandon/OH
6/1/2005 8:49:17 AM (3162 views)
Re: Informal poll - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/27/2005 4:42:36 PM (3363 views)
Re: Informal poll - Michaela Urban/OH
5/27/2005 9:17:32 PM (3392 views)
Re: Informal poll - Jacqueline Costa/RI
5/27/2005 9:41:31 PM (3368 views)
Re: Informal poll - Christy Rathbun/CT
5/27/2005 10:09:20 PM (3300 views)
Re: Informal poll - Donna Grady/NC
5/27/2005 11:30:24 PM (3330 views)
Re: Informal poll - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 12:00:54 AM (3079 views)
Re: Informal poll - Glenda Hodge/TN
5/28/2005 3:25:58 AM (3087 views)
Re: Informal poll - Scott Perry/PA
5/28/2005 11:55:42 AM (3176 views)
Re: Informal poll - Helene/GA
5/29/2005 11:45:56 PM (3110 views)
Re: Informal poll - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/31/2005 10:58:00 AM (3038 views)
Re: Informal poll - Anne Gilbert/VT
5/30/2005 8:28:40 AM (3112 views)

Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/26/2005 10:28:57 PM (2154 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Patrick Scott/IL
5/27/2005 9:48:10 AM (3396 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/27/2005 4:39:37 PM (3196 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/27/2005 12:09:53 PM (3205 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/27/2005 4:41:27 PM (3208 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/27/2005 4:55:13 PM (3141 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/30/2005 2:48:08 PM (3041 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 12:04:25 AM (3044 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/30/2005 2:46:28 PM (3027 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Jay Duncan/MO
5/31/2005 11:06:39 AM (3060 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Anne Gilbert/VT
5/30/2005 8:34:28 AM (2977 views)

Urban Settlement Services LLC - christine hughes/MA
5/26/2005 5:00:06 PM (2473 views)
Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - Julie Jasiunas/WI
5/27/2005 9:52:07 AM (3203 views)
Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - Deborah Manion/VA
5/27/2005 11:07:45 AM (3185 views)
Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - David Nixon/MA
5/27/2005 3:27:15 PM (3144 views)
Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - christine hughes/MA
5/27/2005 7:03:33 PM (3309 views)

Texas abstractors-please help - Michael Frank/TX
5/26/2005 2:20:43 PM (1725 views)

Am I the only one left? - David Bloys/TX
5/26/2005 12:30:09 PM (2129 views)
Re: Am I the only one left? - MJ/VA
5/26/2005 12:57:07 PM (3167 views)
Re: Am I the only one left? - David Bloys/TX
5/26/2005 1:02:27 PM (3163 views)
Re: Am I the only one left? - Brad McCollom/IN
5/26/2005 1:22:54 PM (3193 views)
Re: Am I the only one left? - Deborah Manion/VA
5/26/2005 4:10:42 PM (3178 views)
Re: Am I the only one left? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
5/26/2005 6:14:38 PM (3175 views)
Re: Am I the only one left? - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/26/2005 6:52:26 PM (3249 views)
Re: Am I the only one left? - george Hubka/MI
5/29/2005 8:51:53 PM (2784 views)
Re: Am I the only one left? - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 6:10:21 AM (2648 views)
Re: Am I the only one left? - Jay Duncan/MO
5/27/2005 10:08:57 AM (3097 views)
Re: Am I the only one left? - monica froese/ME
5/26/2005 6:47:49 PM (3136 views)
Re: Am I the only one left? - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/26/2005 7:06:36 PM (3160 views)
Re: Am I the only one left? - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/26/2005 10:10:38 PM (3197 views)

Now You Can!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
5/24/2005 9:12:35 PM (2955 views)


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