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Remember this Memorial Day - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:07:09 PM (2203 views)
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Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/27/2005 1:20:33 PM (2382 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/27/2005 2:30:48 PM (3912 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2005 2:51:26 PM (4004 views)

I have not seen this type of fee yet, however I believe that it is prohibited by RESPA.  I don't believe that a settlement agent is permitted to mark up a third party fee unless they are adding value in the process.  Section 8 of RESPA prohibits anyone from giving or accepting a fee, kickback or any thing of value in exchange for referrals of settlement service business involving a federally related mortgage loan. In addition, RESPA prohibits fee splitting and receiving unearned fees for services not actually performed.

There have been several law suits regarding this type of markup. The most prominent is Echevarria v. Chicago Title.  The suit was based on a claim that Chicago Title marked up the recording fee of the mortgage and kept the overage.  The plaintiffs argued that this was illegal fee splitting because they shared the recording fee with the county recorder, and the trial court agreed.

However, the case was overturned by the Court of Appeals, which stated that the recorder charged its normal fee and did not share in the overage, thus there was no third party involved in the splitting of the fee.

HUD's position in the past has been that Section 8(b) is not "limited to situations where at least two persons split or share an unearned fee," but rather renders any increases in passed-on charges unlawful.  I do not know if they have changed their position on this, but I think they will probably be addressing it with more legislation in the future.  In any regard, the court felt that HUD was "expanding RESPA liability past the point authorized by Congress" with this interpretation of Section 8.

At this time, the courts seem to disagree with HUD on the matter, but I would not want to be involved in this type of marked-up fee.  I think that increasing a fee when nothing has been done to increase its value is morally wrong, regardless of the current regulations or case law.

I haven't seen any updates on this topic in a while, so maybe something has changed if these fees are becoming more common.  Still, if it walks like a duck, and it talks like a duck, its probably a duck. 

Maybe if anyone has more information they will share it with us.

Good topic,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
6/1/2005 10:05:56 AM (3770 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/29/2005 11:30:43 AM (3954 views)

Frontier Counties - David Bloys/TX
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Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
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Re: Informal poll - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
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Re: Informal poll - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
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Re: Informal poll - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
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Re: Informal poll - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Informal poll - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:05:31 PM (3974 views)
Re: Informal poll - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/27/2005 4:17:53 PM (3968 views)
Re: Informal poll - Robb Grandon/OH
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Re: Informal poll - Ellen Malloy/MO
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Re: Informal poll - Michaela Urban/OH
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Re: Informal poll - Christy Rathbun/CT
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Re: Informal poll - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: Informal poll - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Informal poll - Glenda Hodge/TN
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Re: Informal poll - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Informal poll - Helene/GA
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Re: Informal poll - Judy Nisonger/CA
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Re: Informal poll - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
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Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
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Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
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Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
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Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 12:04:25 AM (3585 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/30/2005 2:46:28 PM (3620 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Urban Settlement Services LLC - christine hughes/MA
5/26/2005 5:00:06 PM (2619 views)
Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - Julie Jasiunas/WI
5/27/2005 9:52:07 AM (3757 views)
Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - David Nixon/MA
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Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - christine hughes/MA
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Texas abstractors-please help - Michael Frank/TX
5/26/2005 2:20:43 PM (1861 views)

Am I the only one left? - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Am I the only one left? - MJ/VA
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Re: Am I the only one left? - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Am I the only one left? - Brad McCollom/IN
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Re: Am I the only one left? - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Am I the only one left? - monica froese/ME
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Re: Am I the only one left? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Am I the only one left? - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/26/2005 10:10:38 PM (3781 views)

Now You Can!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
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Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
5/24/2005 9:26:04 AM (3579 views)
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Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - monica froese/ME
5/25/2005 4:01:06 PM (3582 views)

To My Fellow SOT Members - Scott Perry/PA
5/23/2005 7:46:49 PM (2298 views)
Re: To My Fellow SOT Members - Robert Franco/OH
5/23/2005 8:48:28 PM (3616 views)
Re: To My Fellow SOT Members - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/24/2005 11:13:48 PM (3478 views)

Job change - Deborah Manion/VA
5/23/2005 11:38:13 AM (2451 views)
Re: Job change - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/23/2005 8:06:30 PM (3773 views)
Re: Job change - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Job change - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Job change - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/24/2005 2:06:28 PM (3537 views)
Re: Job change - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/24/2005 2:30:45 PM (3555 views)
Re: Job change - Deborah Manion/VA
5/25/2005 10:00:07 AM (3624 views)
Re: Job change - Scott Perry/PA
5/30/2005 10:24:42 AM (3376 views)

Criminal Searches? - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/23/2005 11:03:20 AM (2399 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Kurt deVries/FL
5/23/2005 2:22:34 PM (3787 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - David Bloys/TX
5/23/2005 2:30:17 PM (3776 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/23/2005 3:33:37 PM (3789 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Robert Franco/OH
5/23/2005 3:52:11 PM (3915 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/23/2005 7:42:33 PM (3752 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - george Hubka/MI
5/25/2005 12:12:22 AM (3751 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/25/2005 10:54:24 AM (3774 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
5/23/2005 3:36:53 PM (3794 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Spencer Kinsey/AR
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Re: Criminal Searches? - Sandra Morton/KS
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Re: Criminal Searches? - Tammy Harkay/OH
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Re: Criminal Searches? - Sandra Morton/KS
5/23/2005 3:50:08 PM (3829 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/23/2005 7:50:56 PM (3702 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Scott Perry/PA
5/23/2005 7:34:12 PM (3710 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Donna Grady/NC
6/1/2005 8:56:16 PM (3326 views)

Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Ray Miller/NJ
5/22/2005 7:25:15 PM (2311 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/22/2005 11:14:18 PM (3651 views)
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5/25/2005 12:21:33 AM (3734 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/25/2005 11:38:07 AM (3627 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 1:09:17 AM (3649 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Mark Russomanno/NJ
5/23/2005 5:22:31 PM (3685 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Robert Franco/OH
5/23/2005 6:18:14 PM (3680 views)

Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/21/2005 6:09:51 PM (2327 views)
Re: Scanner - David Bloys/TX
5/21/2005 6:13:56 PM (3719 views)
Re: Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/22/2005 11:04:29 AM (3733 views)
Re: Scanner - Kim Haase/MT
5/21/2005 10:21:02 PM (3646 views)
Re: Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/22/2005 11:06:22 AM (3671 views)
Re: Scanner - Kim Haase/MT
5/22/2005 1:46:47 PM (3704 views)
Re: Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/23/2005 12:11:35 AM (3729 views)
Re: Scanner - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/23/2005 3:45:23 PM (3774 views)
Re: Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/24/2005 11:27:58 PM (3581 views)
Re: Scanner - Robert Franco/OH
5/23/2005 3:56:44 PM (3654 views)
Re: Scanner - Spencer Kinsey/AR
5/23/2005 5:07:00 PM (3579 views)


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