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Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
4/14/2005 1:41:13 PM (2733 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:58:41 PM (4052 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 3:15:20 PM (3963 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Becky Cantrall/NC
4/14/2005 7:55:23 PM (3986 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Rachel Crain/CA
4/21/2005 3:11:16 AM (3963 views)

Mortgage Verification - Sue/PA
4/13/2005 12:03:36 PM (2460 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:20:12 PM (4148 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Tammy Harkay/OH
4/28/2005 9:48:48 PM (3858 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/30/2005 12:13:50 AM (4019 views)

SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/13/2005 9:47:00 AM (2938 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:34:03 AM (3833 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:25:00 PM (3794 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 3:23:26 PM (3719 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Cathy Iffergan/TX
4/13/2005 10:16:54 PM (3711 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 5:37:14 AM (3759 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 12:06:30 PM (3721 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 12:31:54 PM (3903 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 1:08:27 PM (3804 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:50:30 PM (3836 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/14/2005 5:18:01 PM (3809 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:37:40 PM (3654 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 7:29:28 PM (3819 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 8:15:17 PM (3748 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 10:04:33 PM (3672 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2005 6:54:15 AM (3893 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/15/2005 8:18:35 PM (3689 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Robert Franco/OH
4/15/2005 8:50:55 PM (3620 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:56:59 AM (3661 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:50:31 AM (3799 views)

You are missing the point, but that does not surprise me. Let's talk about the real world as you choose to call it, rather than the fantasy land which you have described. Have you performed a closing recently?  It really helps if you can speak from practical experience.

In most closings the mortgage (DOT as it is known in your area) is executed in duplicate and sometimes in triplicate. There is a reason for this. There is a duplicate to replace a lost mortgage just as in the scenario that you have described. Pam's posting above indicates that she called her client, and was told that everything was alright. I assume from that statement that either she returned the mortgage which was at issue or that the title company had a duplicate original to record. In some state's making that statement without notication of a problem and resulting charges to her can constitute a waiver of claim against her for the penalty she was charged...at the very least it is a least a prior inconsistent statement impeaching the credibility of the claimant if the matter were to go to trial.

Based on the posting of Pam's client, I see several problems. The client indicated that it had made five attempts by telephone to contact her, and left five voice mail messages. Why would anyone send a document for recording to an abstractor that was obviously not available? Furthermore, the client should have indicated to UPS, FED EX or the U.S. Postal Service that the abstractor had to sign for the documents before they could be delivered. Otherwise they would be returned to the client. This is a common practice with title companies. Why was it not done in Pam's case? Good sense would dictate that the mortgage recording should have been reassigned to another abstractor rather than insisting on the services of an unavailable abstractor. At least that is the way it works in this area.

I also have difficulty with the amount of the penalty charged to her.The postings have not said whether the closing in question was a sale, refi of Heloc. A notary's witness closing fee for a refi or heloc is usually in the rage of $50.00. If you do not believe me, monitor some of the postings on the signing agent's boards, and you will see that most of them complain about not receiving a fee in excess of $50.00. This seems to be especially true in rural areas such as North Carolina (no offense intended to North Carolinians). The original cost of the notary's witness closing is an expense that would have been borne by the title company regardless of the recording problem, and should not be passed along to Pam. The cost of recording is also an expense that would have been borne by the title company, and should not be passed along to Pam. If there was no duplicate original of the mortgage, and a new mortgage had to be executed the notary's cost may even be less than a notary's full fee of $50.00 because the notary is witnessing only one document out of the entire loan package. It is not unusual for a signing service to request this, and they always find some notary willing to accept it. Of all the time spent in a closing, it only takes about 5 to 10 minutes to sign, notarize, witness and initial each page of a mortgage.  Consequently, I think the $100.00 charge to Pam was excessive. At the very least she is entitled to an itemized accounting of that for which she is being charged, and she should request it. Do you really think that is too much to ask?

With respect to the need for recording a mortgage, I have not minimized the importance thereof. The point you are missing is that because of its importance there are safety valves purposely built into the closing process to accomplish the recording and to avoid the picture of disaster that you have described.

In so far as any hostility that you may have perceived in my earlier postings, I would have to disagree with you. However, If I am wrong, it was probably a response to the arrogance, tone and colorful language contained in your earlier postings.



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Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/15/2005 8:09:52 AM (3681 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2005 8:33:40 AM (3872 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:24:25 PM (3709 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/15/2005 12:28:21 PM (3779 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - John PAxton/NC
4/15/2005 3:41:51 PM (3689 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/15/2005 4:20:06 PM (3659 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/15/2005 10:53:18 PM (3610 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/14/2005 8:02:09 PM (3691 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 10:07:38 PM (3705 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:32:34 PM (3598 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - David Bloys/TX
4/15/2005 7:55:29 AM (3661 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/15/2005 8:15:12 AM (3727 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - David Bloys/TX
4/15/2005 9:17:15 AM (3638 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 12:21:40 PM (3677 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 1:24:55 PM (3647 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 2:38:47 PM (3462 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Douglas Gallant/OH
4/15/2005 6:09:55 PM (3458 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Douglas Gallant/OH
4/15/2005 11:05:41 PM (3569 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Loretta Reed/MD
4/16/2005 12:41:23 PM (3564 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/16/2005 4:32:45 PM (3541 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Loretta Reed/MD
4/16/2005 4:57:08 PM (3422 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/17/2005 11:01:18 PM (3347 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/16/2005 5:03:59 PM (3530 views)

more unlocked articles - Kim Haase/MT
4/12/2005 11:41:55 PM (2482 views)
Re: more unlocked articles - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: more unlocked articles - Kim Haase/MT
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Re: more unlocked articles - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: more unlocked articles - Kim Haase/MT
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Re: more unlocked articles - Robert Franco/OH
4/13/2005 1:17:02 PM (3520 views)

Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - John Flanders/GA
4/11/2005 11:52:58 PM (2580 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Loretta Reed/MD
4/12/2005 8:38:23 AM (3913 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - george Hubka/MI
4/12/2005 1:55:36 PM (3857 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 4:54:15 PM (3810 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - george Hubka/MI
4/12/2005 10:45:43 PM (3917 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Kim Haase/MT
4/12/2005 1:10:20 PM (3715 views)




Cancellation policy... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/11/2005 7:31:15 PM (2630 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
4/11/2005 7:36:16 PM (3870 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Jay Duncan/MO
4/11/2005 8:13:50 PM (3854 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/11/2005 11:21:59 PM (3760 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/12/2005 1:46:12 AM (3789 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 8:36:10 AM (3747 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/12/2005 7:29:01 PM (3841 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 8:04:15 PM (3759 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
4/12/2005 10:51:36 PM (3670 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:39:02 AM (3689 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Bernie O'Hare/PA
4/12/2005 9:06:10 PM (3588 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Deborah Manion/VA
4/13/2005 8:53:08 AM (7825 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:41:22 AM (3775 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:33:02 PM (3583 views)

CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Franco/OH
4/11/2005 5:04:14 PM (2594 views)
Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Mark Russomanno/NJ
4/11/2005 5:25:03 PM (3662 views)
Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Breakell/CT
4/11/2005 6:05:14 PM (3812 views)
Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 8:18:26 AM (3614 views)
Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Franco/OH
4/12/2005 10:40:01 AM (3544 views)
I asked this same question on another forum - Susie/OH
4/13/2005 9:19:51 PM (3651 views)

Realty Track - Cathy Iffergan/TX
4/10/2005 8:03:57 PM (2180 views)

Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Donna Grady/NC
4/9/2005 4:01:57 PM (2678 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 6:03:25 PM (3488 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
4/9/2005 7:55:10 PM (3531 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 9:12:57 PM (3344 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Anne Gilbert/VT
4/10/2005 9:44:08 AM (3478 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/10/2005 1:22:40 PM (3441 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/11/2005 7:51:59 AM (3323 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - James Guill/VA
4/10/2005 5:16:05 PM (3480 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/10/2005 6:23:31 PM (3402 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/10/2005 6:31:25 PM (3438 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - James Guill/VA
4/10/2005 6:54:30 PM (3464 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/10/2005 11:39:16 PM (3384 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
4/10/2005 9:46:47 PM (3483 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/10/2005 10:53:40 PM (3396 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/11/2005 4:30:01 PM (3496 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/11/2005 7:26:32 PM (5325 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/12/2005 5:30:04 PM (3389 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/12/2005 8:59:58 PM (5197 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/12/2005 9:44:36 PM (3508 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/13/2005 12:23:25 AM (3260 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/13/2005 1:59:55 PM (3391 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Robert Franco/OH
4/13/2005 2:58:04 PM (3376 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 3:33:52 PM (3421 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Robert Franco/OH
4/13/2005 3:43:32 PM (3406 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/13/2005 4:24:27 PM (3358 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 3:44:07 PM (3414 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/13/2005 4:39:34 PM (3454 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 5:16:30 PM (3403 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/13/2005 8:46:42 PM (3362 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Ellen Malloy/MO
4/12/2005 8:49:10 AM (3281 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Douglas Gallant/OH
4/13/2005 5:13:57 PM (3201 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 10:17:49 AM (3328 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/14/2005 12:19:01 PM (5027 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/14/2005 2:25:14 PM (3138 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/14/2005 2:48:53 PM (3178 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 3:27:31 PM (3194 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/14/2005 5:53:29 PM (3102 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/14/2005 2:09:16 PM (3163 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/14/2005 4:34:18 PM (3187 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
4/15/2005 8:26:35 AM (3061 views)

A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 11:58:45 AM (2517 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 12:37:15 PM (3688 views)
Re: A technological solution - george Hubka/MI
4/9/2005 7:59:46 PM (3432 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 8:34:20 PM (3670 views)
Re: A technological solution - george Hubka/MI
4/9/2005 8:47:40 PM (3620 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 9:00:08 PM (3608 views)
Re: A technological solution - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/12/2005 9:51:07 PM (3572 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/14/2005 9:55:10 AM (5186 views)
Re: A technological solution - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 11:30:11 AM (3504 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/14/2005 2:23:11 PM (3476 views)

Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - christine hughes/MA
4/8/2005 7:07:42 PM (2798 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/8/2005 9:59:41 PM (3682 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Michaela Urban/OH
4/8/2005 10:56:10 PM (3716 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/9/2005 9:24:48 AM (3641 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/9/2005 2:52:53 PM (3604 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Anne Gilbert/VT
4/10/2005 9:58:03 AM (3581 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - george Hubka/MI
4/10/2005 9:54:15 PM (3615 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/11/2005 6:15:02 AM (3516 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/11/2005 8:01:17 AM (3498 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - george Hubka/MI
4/11/2005 8:30:59 AM (3619 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/11/2005 9:33:49 AM (3500 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/11/2005 3:10:35 PM (3540 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Michaela Urban/OH
4/11/2005 4:29:26 PM (3580 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - george Hubka/MI
4/11/2005 6:25:11 PM (3336 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/11/2005 6:55:22 PM (3448 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 8:01:25 AM (3475 views)

not paying? - tb/NJ
4/8/2005 6:53:33 PM (2573 views)
Re: not paying? - Aimee Raines Raines/VA
4/12/2005 7:25:38 PM (3466 views)

Doc Hunters(FLA) good or bad?? - Gary Crump/TX
4/8/2005 4:04:45 PM (2946 views)
Re: Doc Hunters(FLA) good or bad?? - Deborah Manion/VA
4/8/2005 4:13:59 PM (3986 views)
Re: Doc Hunters(FLA) good or bad?? - Joseph Weaver/VA
4/11/2005 6:27:49 PM (3952 views)
Re: Doc Hunters(FLA) good or bad?? - J DeLoach/TX
4/14/2005 10:24:19 PM (3869 views)
Re: Doc Hunters(FLA) good or bad?? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/14/2005 11:54:05 PM (3860 views)
Re: Doc Hunters(FLA) good or bad?? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/14/2005 11:54:12 PM (3908 views)
Re: Doc Hunters(FLA) good or bad?? - Susan Connors/PA
10/8/2007 9:12:10 AM (3717 views)
Re: Doc Hunters(FLA) good or bad?? - James "Lin" Toney/MS
10/11/2007 8:38:04 AM (3882 views)
Re: Doc Hunters(FLA) good or bad?? - Melinda Barcum, J.D./AL
1/28/2009 6:16:47 PM (3383 views)
Re: Doc Hunters(FLA) good or bad?? - Joseph Weaver/VA
1/28/2009 9:26:15 PM (3459 views)
Re: Doc Hunters(FLA) good or bad?? - Patrick/NY
1/29/2009 8:27:03 AM (3499 views)

Team Title - John Sauers/NY
4/8/2005 2:38:30 PM (2085 views)

No one answered my question... - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/7/2005 12:12:49 PM (2637 views)
Re: No one answered my question... - Robert Franco/OH
4/7/2005 12:18:53 PM (3723 views)
Re: No one answered my question... - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/8/2005 12:32:38 AM (3704 views)
Re: No one answered my question... - Kim Haase/MT
4/7/2005 3:04:55 PM (3724 views)
Re: No one answered my question... - Robert Franco/OH
4/7/2005 4:48:16 PM (3637 views)
Re: No one answered my question... - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/8/2005 12:34:08 AM (3710 views)
Re: No one answered my question... - Robert Franco/OH
4/8/2005 10:08:00 AM (3616 views)
Re: No one answered my question... - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/8/2005 10:04:48 PM (3682 views)
Re: No one answered my question... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/9/2005 12:06:22 PM (3639 views)


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