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fax to email software - Regina Engebritson Engebritson
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Re: fax to email software - David Bloys/TX
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Re: fax to email software - Ted Lannon/MA
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Re: fax to email software - Doug Hollowell/TX
3/4/2005 8:12:43 PM (4764 views)

title search in CA``` - Chet Mazur/CA
3/1/2005 8:44:34 AM (2084 views)
Re: title search in CA``` - Judy Nisonger/CA
3/1/2005 1:17:09 PM (2754 views)

Who is Absolute Property? - Barbara Bennett/IN
3/1/2005 8:08:44 AM (2344 views)
Re: Who is Absolute Property? - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/1/2005 8:22:21 AM (2956 views)
Re: Who is Absolute Property? - Shannon Blatt/VA
3/1/2005 10:36:47 AM (2976 views)
Re: Who is Absolute Property? - Judy Nisonger/CA
3/1/2005 1:20:02 PM (3018 views)
Re: Who is Absolute Property? - ARTHUR LIPPMAN/MA
3/4/2005 9:08:24 PM (2754 views)

With all of these scams and other things going on... - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
2/28/2005 4:40:05 PM (2171 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Robert Franco/OH
2/28/2005 5:01:13 PM (3020 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
2/28/2005 5:06:08 PM (2931 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Robert Breakell/CT
2/28/2005 7:30:32 PM (2827 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/1/2005 3:34:27 AM (2896 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Susie/OH
2/28/2005 10:29:21 PM (2862 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/1/2005 10:33:35 AM (2846 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Judy Nisonger/CA
3/5/2005 11:18:01 PM (2851 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Jay Duncan/MO
3/5/2005 11:39:30 PM (2794 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Shannon Blatt/VA
3/6/2005 11:08:49 PM (2787 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Douglas Gallant/OH
3/7/2005 8:29:06 PM (2734 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Donna Grady/NC
3/2/2005 8:12:50 AM (2962 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Robert Franco/OH
3/2/2005 9:58:34 AM (2758 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/2/2005 10:46:58 AM (2880 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Shannon Blatt/VA
3/2/2005 11:17:02 AM (2870 views)
Re: With all of these scams and other things going on... - Barbara Bennett/IN
3/2/2005 5:43:32 PM (2892 views)

All in the name of growth! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
2/28/2005 10:29:26 AM (2210 views)
Re: All in the name of growth! - Amy Holder/NJ
2/28/2005 10:38:28 AM (2870 views)
Re: All in the name of growth! - Robert Franco/OH
2/28/2005 10:52:20 AM (2924 views)
Re: All in the name of growth! - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/28/2005 1:49:40 PM (2896 views)
Re: All in the name of growth! - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
2/28/2005 4:49:40 PM (2764 views)
Re: All in the name of growth! - Douglas Gallant/OH
2/28/2005 7:24:11 PM (2815 views)
Re: All in the name of growth! - Robert Franco/OH
2/28/2005 9:17:12 PM (2800 views)


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Thanks for everyone's help with my question about Abstracting Software. - KIM HAASE/MT
2/27/2005 11:48:40 PM (1622 views)

Home inspections.... - Loretta Reed/MD
2/27/2005 2:36:11 PM (2160 views)
Re: Home inspections.... - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/27/2005 2:50:51 PM (2978 views)
Re: Home inspections.... - Loretta Reed/MD
2/27/2005 7:23:33 PM (2969 views)
Re: Home inspections.... - Loretta Reed/MD
2/27/2005 7:25:37 PM (5040 views)
Re: Home inspections.... - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/27/2005 8:20:00 PM (2921 views)
Re: Home inspections.... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
2/27/2005 3:07:54 PM (3886 views)
Re: Home inspections.... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2005 3:21:23 PM (3001 views)
Re: Home inspections.... - David Bloys/TX
2/27/2005 6:48:41 PM (2973 views)
Re: Home inspections.... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
2/27/2005 7:35:27 PM (2873 views)
Re: Home inspections.... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2005 9:15:25 PM (2903 views)
Re: Home inspections.... - Loretta Reed/MD
2/28/2005 9:00:44 AM (3003 views)
Re: Home inspections....found the website - Loretta Reed/MD
2/28/2005 9:17:00 AM (3890 views)
Re: Home inspections....found the website - Judy Nisonger/CA
2/28/2005 2:31:42 PM (2988 views)
Re: Home inspections....found the website - Loretta Reed/MD
2/28/2005 6:54:04 PM (2933 views)

I was thinking...this may be cool - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/27/2005 8:42:05 AM (2225 views)
Re: I was thinking...this may be cool - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2005 10:38:29 AM (2909 views)
Re: I was thinking...this may be cool - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
2/27/2005 3:09:57 PM (3836 views)
Re: I was thinking...this may be cool - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2005 3:17:50 PM (2820 views)

Need help in Texas - Shannon Blatt/VA
2/26/2005 1:50:10 PM (2183 views)
Re: Need help in Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/26/2005 2:27:44 PM (3077 views)
Re: Need help in Texas - Shannon Blatt/VA
2/26/2005 5:08:17 PM (3000 views)
Re: Need help in Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/26/2005 5:11:24 PM (2975 views)
Re: Need help in Texas - Shannon Blatt/VA
2/26/2005 5:35:28 PM (2964 views)
Re: Need help in Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/26/2005 5:38:56 PM (2948 views)
Re: Need help in Texas - David Bloys/TX
2/26/2005 7:12:22 PM (3055 views)
Re: Need help in Texas - David Bloys/TX
2/26/2005 7:16:30 PM (3020 views)
Re: Need help in Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/26/2005 7:25:05 PM (2942 views)
Re: Need help in Texas - Shannon Blatt/VA
2/27/2005 10:33:25 PM (2995 views)
Re: Need help in Texas - Cathy Iffergan/TX
2/28/2005 12:46:48 PM (2940 views)
Re: Need help in Texas - Michelle Elko/TX
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Re: Need help in Texas - Doug Hollowell/TX
3/4/2005 8:24:07 PM (2951 views)
Re: Need help in Texas - Shannon Blatt/VA
3/5/2005 12:38:21 AM (2854 views)

Bank of America....Shame on you - Loretta Reed/MD
2/26/2005 10:22:34 AM (2287 views)
Re: Bank of America....Shame on you - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/26/2005 10:24:37 AM (2967 views)
Re: Bank of America....Shame on you - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
2/28/2005 5:01:18 PM (2857 views)

More On Lower Prices And Undercutting - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/26/2005 8:37:47 AM (2534 views)
Re: More On Lower Prices And Undercutting - David Bloys/TX
2/26/2005 1:00:44 PM (3046 views)
Re: More On Lower Prices And Undercutting - Ellen Malloy/MO
2/26/2005 1:48:52 PM (3030 views)
Thank You Both....this is LONG........ - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/26/2005 9:17:22 PM (2863 views)

Thanks for your response and words of encouragement..

I want to be clear though…..I’m not basing my decision to leave the business based on the results of my mailings.

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Next series of mailings is going to be the opposite offer.That means that the ones that got the low ball offer will now get the other offer and vice versa.

  

This decision has been evolving over the past year.

 

Let me tell the story as briefly as I can because I want to be clear on how & why I came to this decision. Who knows?...Maybe someone will see something I don’t and give an objective viewpoint…

 

I’ve been in the biz for 18 years now, 14 of those as an independent.

 

I started out with one client…my previous employer

5 years later I had something like 17 clients…..all local title companies.

 

I built up my customer base SOLELY on referrals and I had a very nice deal going.

 

Over the years, through mergers, going out of business, and me giving up a few smaller accounts, my client base has gone down to 7 clients.

 

I ‘v raised my prices every few years, so the price increases offset the attrition…..fine by me. It’s the way I wanted to structure my business..a “lifestyle “choice if you will.

 

Sounds pretty damn good……..

 

Until last year….

 

4 of my 7 accounts have informed me that once this company  DataTrace gets their plant up & running, I’m history…done…needed no more.

 

DataTrace is not marketing on price..they charge very well.

They are getting a huge share because of the technology they are bringing to the business HERE IN NJ.

 

They have already put a real hurtin on a lot of searchers

Me included……….they’ve taken 3 survey clients and 1 title client……to the tune of about 12-15 thousand a year in lost business to me.

 

Once my other accounts switch………..I’m done because they are my biggest clients..

 

The other threat, or maybe I should say hindrance ARE OTHER ABSTRACTORS…..maybe not in your area…..but it is VERY REAL here.

 

SO I found myself between this MegaConglomerate who are driving me out with technology, and these abstractors who are charging such low fees that it basically has reduced the searcher to a low wage  “commoditized” service.

 

I did my mailing as test to see if I would even want to stay and compete.

 

So the way I see it is….if I want to stay in business, I have to lower my fees, expand the coverage area, spread myself thin and burn myself out….not gonna do it.

 

I really do not see a future that is fulfilling here any longer. I like the work, but not the conditions under which I will have to perform the work

 

 

David, getting back to the mailing, I went after title companies first because that ‘s where the money is , out here at least.

 

The financial instituitions utilize the services of what we call “credit checkers” and they do these record owners for anywhere between $8 -$15 each. (they still hand abstract these things)

 

I’m exploring another angle to market my knowledge as an abstractor, but not in an abstractors role.(can’t divulge yet).

But it does have to do with the real estate investor community.

 

Once I test it and feel it’s a viable income source…I will let all of you know so that you may incorporate it into your business.

 

I am more than willing to answer any marketing questions that anyone may have.

 

BUT..I want to be clear to everyone….I will eventually be running an advertising/promotional consulting business , so I will eventually be charging for “stuff”……BUT…in the meantime I am at all of your service.

 

 

Thanks for staying with me here

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Thank You Both....this is LONG........ - Amy Holder/NJ
2/27/2005 12:12:49 AM (2846 views)
Re: Thank You Both....this is LONG........ - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/27/2005 10:04:57 AM (2891 views)
Re: Thank You Both....this is LONG........ - Donna Grady/NC
2/27/2005 1:30:34 PM (3002 views)
MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/27/2005 2:37:30 PM (2931 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
2/27/2005 5:20:58 PM (2934 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/27/2005 6:20:00 PM (2866 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Donna Grady/NC
2/27/2005 7:58:51 PM (3070 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
2/27/2005 8:04:02 PM (2838 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Ellen Malloy/MO
2/27/2005 8:14:53 PM (2801 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/27/2005 8:15:56 PM (2814 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Amy Holder/NJ
2/27/2005 10:46:56 PM (2894 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
2/28/2005 10:10:27 AM (2913 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Amy Holder/NJ
2/28/2005 10:36:23 AM (2926 views)

We can all help stop the fraud - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2005 9:26:15 PM (2155 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
2/26/2005 12:25:02 PM (2948 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
2/26/2005 12:35:42 PM (2901 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - David Bloys/TX
2/26/2005 1:08:49 PM (2865 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - PatriciaPalmer/PA
2/26/2005 2:55:48 PM (2881 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/26/2005 6:05:50 PM (2858 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - David Bloys/TX
2/26/2005 7:31:53 PM (2915 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
2/27/2005 6:04:32 PM (2825 views)

need some opinions... - Amanda Fuller/TX
2/25/2005 11:37:47 AM (2290 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/25/2005 11:52:31 AM (2927 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Jay Duncan/MO
2/25/2005 11:55:50 AM (2840 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Judy Nisonger/CA
2/26/2005 11:28:44 PM (2777 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2005 10:44:04 AM (2739 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lynn Hammett/SC
2/25/2005 4:50:12 PM (2858 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
2/25/2005 5:18:03 PM (2801 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Judy Nisonger/CA
2/28/2005 4:39:40 PM (2823 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
2/28/2005 4:56:29 PM (2812 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/1/2005 10:28:14 AM (2774 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Judy Nisonger/CA
3/1/2005 1:33:37 PM (2849 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
3/1/2005 3:13:09 PM (2733 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/1/2005 5:38:43 PM (2724 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/26/2005 2:54:09 PM (2774 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2005 11:24:54 AM (2676 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Ms. A/MO
3/1/2005 12:15:16 PM (2701 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Judy Nisonger/CA
3/1/2005 1:36:34 PM (2716 views)

ChoicePoint and now WestLaw - Slade Smith/OH
2/25/2005 5:22:20 AM (2955 views)
Re: ChoicePoint and now WestLaw - Robert Breakell/CT
2/25/2005 7:57:34 AM (2679 views)
Re: ChoicePoint and now WestLaw - Slade Smith/OH
2/25/2005 9:14:58 AM (2639 views)
Re: ChoicePoint and now WestLaw - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2005 8:26:05 AM (2643 views)

Deed Reports-Do you have a favorite - Susie/OH
2/24/2005 7:14:12 PM (2160 views)
Re: Deed Reports-Do you have a favorite - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/25/2005 10:32:17 AM (2741 views)
Re: Deed Reports-Do you have a favorite - Judy Nisonger/CA
2/28/2005 4:15:06 PM (2702 views)
Re: Deed Reports-Do you have a favorite - Samson Ugorji/MD
2/28/2005 11:53:36 PM (2640 views)


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