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late fees/interest ??? - Glenda Hodge/TN
1/3/2005 12:53:35 PM (2247 views)
Re: late fees/interest ??? - Charles Skinner/NY
1/3/2005 4:10:46 PM (3393 views)
Re: late fees/interest ??? - Margaret Sedy/CA
1/10/2005 3:08:48 PM (3465 views)
Re: late fees/interest ??? - Shannon Blatt/VA
1/10/2005 9:52:40 PM (3409 views)
Re: late fees/interest ??? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
1/11/2005 6:48:27 PM (3576 views)
Re: late fees/interest ??? - Douglas Gallant/OH
1/12/2005 3:42:50 PM (3385 views)
Re: late fees/interest ??? - kevin ahern/CT
1/3/2005 4:27:50 PM (3440 views)

THIS IS IT... - Jay Duncan/MO
1/3/2005 9:24:45 AM (2828 views)

Happy New Year! - Robert Franco/OH
12/31/2004 6:31:45 PM (2247 views)
Re: Happy New Year! - Jay Duncan
1/1/2005 11:43:50 AM (3591 views)

Little Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
12/31/2004 5:58:12 PM (2240 views)
Re: Little Scanner - Robert Franco/OH
12/31/2004 6:34:39 PM (3628 views)
Re: Little Scanner - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/31/2004 8:20:25 PM (3611 views)
Re: Little Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
1/1/2005 5:29:59 PM (3690 views)

Mortgage Fraud Epidemic - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 1:36:04 AM (3135 views)




Just trying to learn - Want to be an abstractor/OH
12/29/2004 6:58:06 PM (2290 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/29/2004 8:23:20 PM (3912 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Kurt deVries/FL
12/29/2004 10:01:18 PM (3748 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Want to be an abstractor/OH
12/29/2004 10:42:51 PM (3714 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 10:55:04 PM (3657 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - I wanna be/OH
12/30/2004 6:29:43 PM (3604 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/30/2004 6:50:51 PM (3717 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Robert Breakell/CT
12/30/2004 7:01:33 PM (3674 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - I wanna be/OH
12/30/2004 7:07:55 PM (3662 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - kevin ahern/CT
12/31/2004 6:33:26 AM (3638 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - susan kostalas/PA
1/2/2005 12:30:42 PM (3556 views)

SOT Hospitality Suite - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 5:30:26 PM (1720 views)

ZENO DATA? - Rebecca Barney/FL
12/29/2004 3:51:01 PM (2667 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 4:17:50 PM (3692 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/29/2004 10:03:52 PM (3605 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/30/2004 4:56:37 PM (3764 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Robert Franco/OH
12/30/2004 5:13:51 PM (3610 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/30/2004 5:18:04 PM (3627 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - central search inc central search inc/WI
12/30/2004 3:26:30 PM (3712 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Rebecca Barney/FL
1/3/2005 9:38:49 AM (3764 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Rebecca Barney/FL
1/3/2005 9:41:01 AM (3669 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Kurt deVries/FL
1/3/2005 10:25:13 AM (3561 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Judy Nisonger/CA
1/3/2005 12:19:10 PM (3587 views)

Confusing Instructions from Client - Larry Crooks/OH
12/29/2004 8:11:41 AM (2473 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 10:53:04 AM (3688 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Larry Crooks/OH
12/29/2004 1:49:56 PM (3606 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 1:57:11 PM (3699 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Rebecca Barney/FL
12/29/2004 10:54:45 AM (3522 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 11:03:05 AM (3587 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 11:15:26 AM (3660 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 6:18:12 PM (3480 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 6:50:57 PM (3439 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 10:55:56 PM (3449 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 12:38:52 PM (3603 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 12:38:55 PM (3659 views)

Ethics - Robert Breakell/CT
12/28/2004 6:55:44 PM (1876 views)

Follow-up on the E & O Article - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
12/27/2004 4:23:14 PM (1815 views)

Another Day Off - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/27/2004 12:16:13 AM (2468 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/27/2004 4:14:33 PM (3530 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/27/2004 5:14:23 PM (3574 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Robert Franco/OH
12/27/2004 5:22:04 PM (3470 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/27/2004 6:00:35 PM (3542 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/27/2004 11:29:18 PM (3525 views)

County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/26/2004 8:58:32 PM (3368 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/28/2004 2:29:51 PM (4841 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/28/2004 7:29:53 PM (3432 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/29/2004 5:41:02 AM (3429 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 8:28:11 AM (3370 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/29/2004 12:37:55 PM (3420 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 1:50:27 PM (3462 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/29/2004 3:18:01 PM (3518 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/29/2004 3:23:36 PM (5099 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 6:45:11 PM (3389 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/30/2004 10:42:05 AM (3413 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 2:45:26 PM (3420 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/30/2004 3:51:37 PM (3366 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 5:53:44 PM (5020 views)

The fact that you could check the accuracy of the information that I provided means that the data has already made its way into hundreds, if not thousands, of databases nationally, if not worldwide. 
Makes my point exactly. The information would not be out there if it had never been released in digital form. In fact I was unable to verify all of your information precisely because it is held within the four walls of your county courthouse instead of being spewed all over the world.

By posting it, I have not acted particularly recklessly, nor have I endangered myself or anyone else further than they were already endangered by the free and public information available.
Is this what you tell your clients concerning their information that may or may not already be available to the internet?

As for my clients and my client's customers, they are handled in a secure method to prevent unauthorized reciept or access by unintended parties.  Even if they were not, nothing the search operations division of CMS handles is anything other than public record.    

So if it is nothing except public record, why do you bother to protect your clients? It would be unethical and unprofessional to do otherwise but you want the county clerks to forget ethics and professionally for your convenience? Additionally your clients are under several laws restraining how they and you expose this information and to whom.

Charles, not everyones date of birth, social security number and other information you revealed and called the public record is in fact the public record. There are some 800 exemptions to the Public Records laws already concerning everything from your pets medical records to the indentity of minor children, to the identifiers of elected and appointed officials.

As for Al Qaeda and other terrorist and criminal organizations, you have to remember one thing.  In order to have a successful operation, you have to have personnel on the ground.  If they already have personnel on the ground here, what's to stop them from going to the county courthouses and looking up the information in person?

The completion of a successful mission begins with inteligence which no longer requires personell on the ground. We use sattelites and aircraft to gather much of the information we need. al Qada uses the internet in the same way. But we stupidly make it easy for them to gather 80% of all the information they need for a successful mission over the internet.

Identity thieves, stalkers and terrorist groups access the public records by the Internet for the sake of their own security and convenience. Identity thieves use it because it allows them to quickly steal thousands of identities while remaining totally anonymous. Stalker Liam Youens expressed suprise when he entered this on his website, "It's accually obsene what you can find out about a person on the internet." The information he had found cost Amy Boyer her life. Mortgage fraud scams are costing our clients millions and they are gathering the information they need with convenience of online access. 

Yes, all of these people could find this same information at the local courthouse, but they couldn't retrieve it in bulk digital form. They prefer internet access for the same reason you do Charles, convenience. The same reason your identity thief preffered to hack into the supposedly very secure database as opposed to finding it in the paper record at the courthouse. 

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Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
1/3/2005 10:23:22 AM (5036 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
1/4/2005 12:35:28 AM (4718 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
1/4/2005 9:25:02 AM (3293 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/30/2004 7:08:22 PM (3298 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 1:01:13 PM (3361 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 1:01:14 PM (3292 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Robert Franco/OH
12/30/2004 4:08:31 PM (3404 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 4:28:40 PM (3292 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/29/2004 7:15:27 PM (3275 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 10:18:32 PM (3279 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/30/2004 6:23:28 AM (3324 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/30/2004 6:23:30 AM (3292 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Judy Nisonger/CA
12/31/2004 2:37:24 PM (3275 views)
Re: County purges Web site - John Redhead/NY
1/4/2005 10:55:11 AM (3251 views)

I was very excited to see... - Loretta Reed/MD
12/26/2004 10:50:19 AM (1921 views)

CHRISTMAS - Michelle Bernard/LA
12/25/2004 5:57:57 PM (1733 views)


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