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On-line documents - Marilyn Parker/IL
8/9/2004 1:55:55 PM (1726 views)
Re: On-line documents - Amanda Packey/FL
8/9/2004 2:51:15 PM (3562 views)
Re: On-line documents - Marilyn Parker/IL
8/9/2004 4:12:07 PM (2677 views)

New site layout - Slade Smith/OH
8/9/2004 2:37:08 AM (1618 views)
Re: New site layout - Loretta Reed/MD
8/9/2004 8:55:11 AM (2649 views)
Re: New site layout - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/9/2004 10:33:11 AM (2657 views)
Re: New site layout - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/9/2004 11:29:03 AM (2646 views)
Re: New site layout - Slade Smith/MD
8/9/2004 11:56:57 AM (2780 views)
Re: New site layout - Marilyn Parker/IL
8/9/2004 1:38:22 PM (2691 views)
Re: New site layout - Amanda Packey/FL
8/9/2004 2:48:52 PM (2666 views)
Re: New site layout - Tammy Elliott/WA
8/10/2004 2:02:12 AM (2623 views)
Re: New site layout - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/10/2004 10:07:35 AM (2638 views)
Slade question on New site layout - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/10/2004 5:02:26 PM (2721 views)
Re: Slade question on New site layout - Slade Smith/MD
8/11/2004 12:23:17 AM (2645 views)

What you need to do if Companies are not paying you> - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
8/8/2004 5:36:14 PM (1752 views)
Re: What you need to do if Companies are not paying you> - Marilyn Parker/IL
8/9/2004 1:35:24 PM (2698 views)

Merging Companies - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/7/2004 10:28:11 PM (1332 views)

Why aren't we getting paid? - Barbara Bennett/IN
8/5/2004 7:49:35 PM (1823 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/7/2004 9:46:26 AM (2682 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
8/7/2004 3:33:49 PM (2671 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Loretta Reed/MD
8/7/2004 4:11:45 PM (2679 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
8/8/2004 5:27:08 PM (2620 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Loretta Reed/MD
8/8/2004 11:02:23 PM (2599 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
8/9/2004 8:53:29 AM (2714 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/10/2004 12:30:50 AM (2556 views)


Real Title Services


Lenders First Choice - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/5/2004 5:00:14 PM (1922 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/5/2004 11:14:02 PM (2795 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/6/2004 11:59:48 AM (2716 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Edward Mastrianni/CT
8/7/2004 7:41:34 PM (2734 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/9/2004 10:31:27 AM (2673 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/10/2004 12:32:25 AM (2576 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/10/2004 10:06:05 AM (2680 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - debra price/UT
8/12/2004 12:16:28 AM (2672 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Gary Hays/FL
2/9/2006 10:11:19 AM (2483 views)

Title Searches - Steve Levinson/FL
8/5/2004 2:20:21 PM (1789 views)
Re: Title Searches - Robert Franco/OH
8/5/2004 4:45:43 PM (2710 views)

I am probably not in the right frame of mind to answer this question at the moment, so let me give you the practical advise I normally would for this question - FIRST.  In my opinion you can NOT be self-taught to abstract.  There are too many things that you can only learn from someone more experienced willing to take the time to teach you.  The issue is further complicated by geography.  Each state and county has their own regulations that govern the real estate records - so a "canned" on-line course is only going to give you the "basics" and that is enought to get you into trouble.  It might be a good start, but you really need a skilled abstractor to teach you the rest.

Next... (my rant for the day) if I had it do over again, I would choose another career.  Everyone else I know gets a raise every year and they get promotions and more benefits.  I have been asked CONTINUALLY by clients to lower my prices (read my post below).  I take my car to a mechanic and they get around $70/hr., maybe I should have taken up a vocation like that.

It seems to me that there is something wrong when I incur HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in liability and get to charge a whopping $45.00!  People rely on our title work to process $100,000 mortgages several times a day and out of the several thousands of dollars that the borrower pays in closing fees, I only get $45 to $100.  My expenses are rising all the time; my E&O insurance is upto nearly $5,000 and I have never had a claim. 

I also think that the real estate records are becoming more and more messed up and it is taking longer to do the searches, but we don't charge on an hourly basis - we have to provide our services for a flat fee.  While the mechanic can say "Gee it took longer than we thought to fix your car, so the bill is a little higher" we just have to move on and accept what we can get.

To make things worse, our clients are now telling us what they are going to pay... many totally disregard the invoice and only pay a portion of our charges.  Often they fail to pay for copies (at $2.00/pg.) or the fax fee when they request something rushed and we have to fax from the courthouse (at $2.00 to $4.00/pg.).    I had a client call me and say that they were only charging thier client $50 and they couldn't pay our $100 fee for a statutory full search.  They got upset when I told them that I couldn't do the search for that.  What were they thinking?

There is something wrong with this industry when the client calls and tells you that they just bid out their work at 25% less to get a big client and they expect you to follow suit.  The problem is there is nobody below us to pass this along to.  I can't call the phone company, the electric company, the E&O company, the county where we charge our copies, etc. and tell them that my clients just lowered our fees so we need them to lower our costs 25%.  The fact is, our costs are constantly rising and our clients are trying to dictate that we work for less.

Sorry for the long rant, but I am disgusted with the direction things are going and it appauls me to hear "well we can get that search for $15 less from so-and-so."  I don't have a problem with competition, but the people who are undercutting our prices take shortcuts and don't do a thorough search, they don't have E&O insurance, they don't know what they are doing... AND MANY OF THE CLIENTS DON'T SEEM TO CARE.  It has become all about price and this is what is causing the degredation of the public real estate records.  They are the reason it is taking longer to do a thorough title search - we have to point out all of the title defects that the last idot caused.

If I knew how to do anything else, I would seriously consider a career change.

Best of luck,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Title Searches - Steve/FL
8/5/2004 5:03:07 PM (2627 views)
Re: Title Searches - Robert Franco/OH
8/5/2004 5:32:39 PM (2647 views)
But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Scott Perry/PA
8/5/2004 10:13:27 PM (2733 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Robert Franco/OH
8/6/2004 11:02:54 AM (2621 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Ellen Malloy/MO
8/6/2004 2:34:31 PM (2559 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Steve Levinson/FL
8/6/2004 4:14:10 PM (2539 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Slade Smith/OH
8/6/2004 5:24:21 PM (2576 views)
CERTIFICATION - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/7/2004 12:04:42 AM (2578 views)

Northeastern Title Services? - Sean/NH
8/5/2004 8:04:51 AM (1298 views)

NO PAYS - Patty Bolden/TX
8/5/2004 8:00:13 AM (1781 views)
Re: NO PAYS - Michael Solt/PA
8/5/2004 2:55:22 PM (2599 views)
Re: NO PAYS - Kunal Khanna/VA
8/13/2004 1:36:27 PM (2596 views)
Re: NO PAYS - Ronald Seal/NJ
8/16/2004 11:26:41 AM (2758 views)

Any ideas for business cards - Loretta Reed/MD
8/4/2004 10:30:41 PM (1625 views)
Re: Any ideas for business cards - David Bloys
8/5/2004 9:52:42 AM (2615 views)
Re: Any ideas for business cards - Amanda Packey/FL
8/6/2004 4:25:50 PM (2626 views)
Re: Any ideas for business cards - Brian Whiteford/MD
8/5/2004 10:03:02 AM (2679 views)
Re: Any ideas for business cards - Brian Whiteford/MD
8/6/2004 11:02:56 AM (2634 views)

Starting A Title Co...? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
8/4/2004 8:56:32 PM (1771 views)
Re: Starting A Title Co...? - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/4/2004 11:22:08 PM (2689 views)
Re: Starting A Title Co...? - Amy Holder/NJ
8/5/2004 2:28:19 PM (2630 views)

Questions and more questions... - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/4/2004 6:44:18 PM (1656 views)
Re: Questions and more questions... - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/7/2004 12:10:19 AM (2593 views)

Another request to lower fees - Robert Franco/OH
8/4/2004 11:09:33 AM (1887 views)
Re: Another request to lower fees - Barbara Bennett/IN
8/4/2004 4:47:09 PM (2828 views)
Re: Another request to lower fees - Douglas Gallant/OH
8/4/2004 4:52:19 PM (2813 views)
Because everyone lowers them - Kurt deVries/FL
8/5/2004 1:58:31 PM (2686 views)
Re: Because everyone lowers them - Amanda Packey/FL
8/6/2004 4:30:51 PM (2693 views)
Re: Another request to lower fees - Robert Breakell/CT
8/5/2004 6:28:40 PM (2703 views)
You wanna play, you gotta pay! - Scott Perry/PA
8/5/2004 9:58:28 PM (2693 views)
ENRON, ENRON, ENRON!!! - Georgette Cope/MT
8/6/2004 1:45:04 PM (2612 views)
Re: ENRON, ENRON, ENRON!!! - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/9/2004 7:40:40 PM (2731 views)

ONLINE COURSE - JOHN COTTON/TX
8/3/2004 5:51:05 PM (1703 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Scott Perry/PA
8/3/2004 9:00:18 PM (2687 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/3/2004 10:26:14 PM (2642 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Robert Franco/OH
8/3/2004 10:55:34 PM (2553 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - JOHN COTTON/TX
8/4/2004 3:19:11 PM (2681 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Robert Franco/OH
8/4/2004 4:31:08 PM (2686 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/4/2004 6:40:00 PM (2609 views)

Docupen - John OConnor/IL
8/2/2004 6:00:46 PM (1760 views)
Re: Docupen - Robert Franco/OH
8/2/2004 6:19:32 PM (2698 views)
Re: Docupen - John OConnor/IL
8/3/2004 6:12:52 PM (2608 views)
Re: Docupen - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/4/2004 6:41:28 PM (2642 views)
Re: Docupen - Robert Franco/OH
8/5/2004 9:58:26 AM (2634 views)
Re: Docupen - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/5/2004 4:52:34 PM (2617 views)


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