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Collection Agency for Just Abstractors - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
7/7/2004 2:00:15 AM (1473 views)

Using a laptop to search - Annette Dorty/PA
7/6/2004 3:02:06 PM (2795 views)
Re: Using a laptop to search - Alan Voorheis
7/6/2004 3:44:08 PM (3225 views)
Re: Using a laptop to search - Annette Dorty/PA
7/6/2004 6:48:45 PM (3236 views)
Re: Using a laptop to search - Scott Perry/PA
7/6/2004 10:13:29 PM (3233 views)
Re: Using a laptop to search - Annette Dorty/PA
7/7/2004 1:49:01 PM (3139 views)

Lots of PC on the "Newbies" - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:53:53 PM (1351 views)

Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Jay Duncan
7/5/2004 2:26:09 PM (1757 views)
Re: Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:07:46 PM (3130 views)
Re: Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/5/2004 6:54:34 PM (3121 views)
Re: Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/5/2004 10:28:50 PM (3164 views)

Community College Classes - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 2:28:49 PM (1638 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:44:03 PM (3527 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 2:52:32 PM (3001 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:16:33 PM (3043 views)
Re: Community College Classes - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 5:57:19 PM (3084 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/4/2004 6:44:37 PM (3064 views)




It is the VETERAN...... - Jay Duncan/MO
7/4/2004 2:16:30 PM (1676 views)
Re: It is the GRUNT - Datalore/PA
7/4/2004 8:48:23 PM (2929 views)

Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 10:32:04 AM (1746 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/3/2004 11:17:53 AM (3058 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 11:21:19 AM (3064 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/3/2004 2:01:17 PM (3048 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 6:36:19 PM (3015 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 10:08:24 AM (2940 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/4/2004 11:39:15 AM (2973 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 1:20:04 PM (3001 views)
Kurts Training!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 1:06:10 PM (3012 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/6/2004 4:53:02 PM (3035 views)
Who CAME after you? - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 9:27:34 AM (2928 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 9:35:04 AM (3026 views)
MD has some Crazy Laws - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:45:15 AM (3034 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 1:05:22 PM (2876 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Jay Duncan
7/7/2004 1:18:50 PM (2945 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/7/2004 5:52:19 PM (3010 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/7/2004 10:24:47 AM (2887 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:41:35 AM (3035 views)
Re: Incorporate - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 1:40:02 PM (2909 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 3:23:05 PM (2916 views)
Re: Incorporate - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 3:33:33 PM (2965 views)
Thank You Amanda!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 4:02:16 PM (2823 views)
Re: Thank You Amanda!!! - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 4:08:18 PM (2987 views)
Re: Incorporate - kevin ahern/CT
7/8/2004 7:08:59 AM (2888 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/8/2004 2:38:24 PM (2821 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - Annette Dorty/PA
7/8/2004 4:08:32 PM (2868 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - kevin ahern/CT
7/9/2004 5:27:30 AM (2896 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:21:30 PM (2843 views)

I hate to get involved in this conversation, but I think it is an important topic.  "Newbie Bashing" is not a good thing, and I don't want to blame the "newbies" for some of the problems in the industry - because they don't know the problems that are being caused by their lack of training.  I believe that there are a lot of well intentioned abstractors, very new to the field, who were led down this path by someone else.

The best advice for someone who wants to be an independent abstractor is to work for a title company or attorney for a couple of years (and that may not be enough).  The only way to become a good abstractor is to gain experience... the only way to gain expereince without causing a lot of problems and incurring a huge amount of liability is to have someone knowledgeable in the field review your work and explain "WHY" you should or shouldn't show certian items.  Good training is extremely important!!

For example... when you are searching a property that recently came out of foreclosure with liens still showing open you have to know when lis pendens applies.  Some liens may survive the suit, others may be extiguished. When you have a deed that wasn't notarized properly, what is the statutory requirement that will cure the defect?  There are so many things that you really can't be prepared for, unless you have come across them before and had someone there to properly explain them when they do arise.  That takes a lot of time - and a good teacher.

It is easy for someone to say, "just find the deed and look for any liens", but there is so much more to it than that.  As rates begin to rise and more forclosures are filed, many cliams will be generated.  It is going to be a scary time for a lot of abstractors and insurers.

I have also spoken with a few E&O insurers regarding discounts for NALTEA members and the answer was always the same... "there are a lot of new abstractors that haven't been properly trained entering the field."  This is ONE of the causes of the higer rates, but I'm sure there are other forces at work also.

Source of Title gets a lot of e-mail asking "how do I become an abstractor?" and I always tell them the same thing - get a job with a title company or attorney that has sufficent resources to train you properly.  Anyone who wants to be an abstractor, without the necessary training, can get into the field, but they should be aware of the requirements of the job and fully understand the liability associated with it.  Missing one mortgage, federal tax lien, life estate, or anything else could cost you your home!  Most of us can't afford to pay a $100,000 claim and the rising E&O rates should be an indication of the liability involved.

A final note:  the Source of Title message forums are for everyone, newbies and seasoned abstractors alike, but newbies won't always like the responses they get.  They shouldn't be taken as "hostile" or "bashing" but as a wanring that there is a lot of responsibility involved with abstracting.  Peoples homes, the single largest investment they make, are riding on your ability to perform your duties as an abstractor.  Those who have been trained for years before becoming independent are frustrated with the abstractors that don't think they need to be properly trained or aren't aware of the training that they didn't get.  Some of them simply do not realize how much they do not know.

Best to everyone,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Newbie bashing - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 3:56:18 PM (2806 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:11:04 PM (2804 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 11:20:11 AM (2793 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 1:49:35 PM (2884 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:26:12 PM (2828 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 5:39:52 PM (2823 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Scott Perry/PA
7/5/2004 9:45:45 PM (2788 views)
Keep BUSH IN!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:46:19 PM (2827 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 1:32:32 PM (2705 views)
Rising Rates! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 2:08:43 PM (2703 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/6/2004 6:01:17 PM (3835 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/7/2004 7:38:53 PM (2603 views)
Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 7:43:12 PM (2680 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:14:10 AM (2666 views)
Re: Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 11:43:00 AM (2532 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:00:17 PM (2552 views)

HOT LIST... - Loretta Reed/MD
7/2/2004 10:42:01 PM (1308 views)

Happy 4th!!! - Ellen/MO
7/2/2004 4:39:43 PM (1652 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/2/2004 5:06:12 PM (2924 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/2/2004 5:45:08 PM (2843 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/2/2004 6:15:03 PM (2770 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Jay Duncan
7/2/2004 7:52:33 PM (2760 views)

ATC - Accelerated Title Co - Teresa Beeman/NC
7/2/2004 10:24:33 AM (1918 views)
Re: ATC - Accelerated Title Co - Barbara Bennett/IN
7/2/2004 2:56:20 PM (2950 views)

to the best contact person, happy b-day - monica froese/ME
7/1/2004 10:20:23 PM (1443 views)

Order your NALTEA Business Cards for your... - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH
7/1/2004 7:32:09 PM (1442 views)

National Equity Services - Michelle/NJ
7/1/2004 7:26:55 PM (1991 views)
Re: National Equity Services - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 7:49:38 PM (3191 views)

Service Link out of PA? - Douglas Johnson/MN
7/1/2004 4:48:55 PM (1988 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/1/2004 5:40:03 PM (3362 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 6:06:46 PM (3273 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Robert Franco/OH
7/1/2004 6:17:57 PM (3294 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Douglas Johnson/MN
7/2/2004 1:20:34 PM (3140 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Ken Ungarsohn/NJ
7/16/2009 10:39:19 AM (6794 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - CLEOFI BLASS/NJ
7/2/2004 2:01:11 PM (3238 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/2/2004 6:17:23 PM (3248 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - CLEOFI BLASS/NJ
7/6/2004 12:27:33 PM (3297 views)
Too bad...their loss!! - Scott Perry/PA
7/6/2004 10:16:23 PM (3138 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Patricia Palmer/PA
7/7/2004 5:35:43 PM (3322 views)

Abstractor Associations - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH
6/30/2004 5:58:21 PM (2388 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
6/30/2004 7:56:55 PM (3135 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Jay Duncan/MO
6/30/2004 9:17:08 PM (2969 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Jay Duncan/MO
6/30/2004 9:33:33 PM (3939 views)


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