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Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 10:32:04 AM (1692 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/3/2004 11:17:53 AM (2908 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 11:21:19 AM (2924 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/3/2004 2:01:17 PM (2903 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 6:36:19 PM (2861 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 10:08:24 AM (2794 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/4/2004 11:39:15 AM (2800 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 1:20:04 PM (2846 views)
Kurts Training!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 1:06:10 PM (2859 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/6/2004 4:53:02 PM (2894 views)
Who CAME after you? - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 9:27:34 AM (2783 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 9:35:04 AM (2854 views)
MD has some Crazy Laws - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:45:15 AM (2885 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 1:05:22 PM (2702 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Jay Duncan
7/7/2004 1:18:50 PM (2783 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/7/2004 5:52:19 PM (2860 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/7/2004 10:24:47 AM (2709 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:41:35 AM (2877 views)
Re: Incorporate - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 1:40:02 PM (2789 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 3:23:05 PM (2766 views)
Re: Incorporate - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 3:33:33 PM (2789 views)
Thank You Amanda!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 4:02:16 PM (2637 views)
Re: Thank You Amanda!!! - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 4:08:18 PM (2835 views)
Re: Incorporate - kevin ahern/CT
7/8/2004 7:08:59 AM (2736 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/8/2004 2:38:24 PM (2685 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - Annette Dorty/PA
7/8/2004 4:08:32 PM (2715 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - kevin ahern/CT
7/9/2004 5:27:30 AM (2752 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:21:30 PM (2685 views)

I hate to get involved in this conversation, but I think it is an important topic.  "Newbie Bashing" is not a good thing, and I don't want to blame the "newbies" for some of the problems in the industry - because they don't know the problems that are being caused by their lack of training.  I believe that there are a lot of well intentioned abstractors, very new to the field, who were led down this path by someone else.

The best advice for someone who wants to be an independent abstractor is to work for a title company or attorney for a couple of years (and that may not be enough).  The only way to become a good abstractor is to gain experience... the only way to gain expereince without causing a lot of problems and incurring a huge amount of liability is to have someone knowledgeable in the field review your work and explain "WHY" you should or shouldn't show certian items.  Good training is extremely important!!

For example... when you are searching a property that recently came out of foreclosure with liens still showing open you have to know when lis pendens applies.  Some liens may survive the suit, others may be extiguished. When you have a deed that wasn't notarized properly, what is the statutory requirement that will cure the defect?  There are so many things that you really can't be prepared for, unless you have come across them before and had someone there to properly explain them when they do arise.  That takes a lot of time - and a good teacher.

It is easy for someone to say, "just find the deed and look for any liens", but there is so much more to it than that.  As rates begin to rise and more forclosures are filed, many cliams will be generated.  It is going to be a scary time for a lot of abstractors and insurers.

I have also spoken with a few E&O insurers regarding discounts for NALTEA members and the answer was always the same... "there are a lot of new abstractors that haven't been properly trained entering the field."  This is ONE of the causes of the higer rates, but I'm sure there are other forces at work also.

Source of Title gets a lot of e-mail asking "how do I become an abstractor?" and I always tell them the same thing - get a job with a title company or attorney that has sufficent resources to train you properly.  Anyone who wants to be an abstractor, without the necessary training, can get into the field, but they should be aware of the requirements of the job and fully understand the liability associated with it.  Missing one mortgage, federal tax lien, life estate, or anything else could cost you your home!  Most of us can't afford to pay a $100,000 claim and the rising E&O rates should be an indication of the liability involved.

A final note:  the Source of Title message forums are for everyone, newbies and seasoned abstractors alike, but newbies won't always like the responses they get.  They shouldn't be taken as "hostile" or "bashing" but as a wanring that there is a lot of responsibility involved with abstracting.  Peoples homes, the single largest investment they make, are riding on your ability to perform your duties as an abstractor.  Those who have been trained for years before becoming independent are frustrated with the abstractors that don't think they need to be properly trained or aren't aware of the training that they didn't get.  Some of them simply do not realize how much they do not know.

Best to everyone,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Newbie bashing - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 3:56:18 PM (2629 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:11:04 PM (2669 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 11:20:11 AM (2639 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 1:49:35 PM (2710 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:26:12 PM (2686 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 5:39:52 PM (2678 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Scott Perry/PA
7/5/2004 9:45:45 PM (2642 views)
Keep BUSH IN!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:46:19 PM (2682 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 1:32:32 PM (2544 views)
Rising Rates! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 2:08:43 PM (2565 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/6/2004 6:01:17 PM (3664 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/7/2004 7:38:53 PM (2434 views)
Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 7:43:12 PM (2536 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:14:10 AM (2511 views)
Re: Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 11:43:00 AM (2390 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:00:17 PM (2388 views)

HOT LIST... - Loretta Reed/MD
7/2/2004 10:42:01 PM (1278 views)

Happy 4th!!! - Ellen/MO
7/2/2004 4:39:43 PM (1589 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/2/2004 5:06:12 PM (2778 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/2/2004 5:45:08 PM (2694 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/2/2004 6:15:03 PM (2614 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Jay Duncan
7/2/2004 7:52:33 PM (2612 views)

ATC - Accelerated Title Co - Teresa Beeman/NC
7/2/2004 10:24:33 AM (1876 views)
Re: ATC - Accelerated Title Co - Barbara Bennett/IN
7/2/2004 2:56:20 PM (2810 views)

to the best contact person, happy b-day - monica froese/ME
7/1/2004 10:20:23 PM (1414 views)


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Order your NALTEA Business Cards for your... - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH
7/1/2004 7:32:09 PM (1384 views)

National Equity Services - Michelle/NJ
7/1/2004 7:26:55 PM (1945 views)
Re: National Equity Services - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 7:49:38 PM (3050 views)

Service Link out of PA? - Douglas Johnson/MN
7/1/2004 4:48:55 PM (1923 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/1/2004 5:40:03 PM (3226 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 6:06:46 PM (3134 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Robert Franco/OH
7/1/2004 6:17:57 PM (3164 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Douglas Johnson/MN
7/2/2004 1:20:34 PM (2983 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Ken Ungarsohn/NJ
7/16/2009 10:39:19 AM (2588 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - CLEOFI BLASS/NJ
7/2/2004 2:01:11 PM (3097 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/2/2004 6:17:23 PM (3115 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - CLEOFI BLASS/NJ
7/6/2004 12:27:33 PM (3159 views)
Too bad...their loss!! - Scott Perry/PA
7/6/2004 10:16:23 PM (3018 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Patricia Palmer/PA
7/7/2004 5:35:43 PM (3184 views)

Abstractor Associations - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH
6/30/2004 5:58:21 PM (2323 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
6/30/2004 7:56:55 PM (3032 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Jay Duncan/MO
6/30/2004 9:17:08 PM (2847 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Jay Duncan/MO
6/30/2004 9:33:33 PM (3797 views)

?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Patty Bolden/TX
6/30/2004 4:29:58 PM (1759 views)
Re: ?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Patty Bolden/TX
7/5/2004 11:20:25 AM (2803 views)
Re: ?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 3:29:09 PM (2891 views)

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - julie jasiunas/WI
6/30/2004 12:42:13 PM (1883 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Amanda Packey/FL
6/30/2004 3:58:00 PM (2996 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Scott Fisher/TN
6/30/2004 6:20:12 PM (2866 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - monica froese/ME
6/30/2004 9:51:39 PM (2908 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 1:40:28 AM (3096 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/2/2004 9:38:23 PM (2907 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - monica froese/ME
7/2/2004 9:50:35 PM (2804 views)
Unsolicitated Facsimiles - R M/NJ
6/30/2004 10:21:50 PM (3852 views)
Re: Unsolicitated Facsimiles - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/2/2004 9:43:36 PM (2797 views)

PRICING - L ROLAND/CA
6/26/2004 12:48:44 PM (1834 views)
Re: PRICING - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/26/2004 2:46:19 PM (2983 views)
Re: PRICING - Robert Franco/OH
6/28/2004 10:01:34 AM (3040 views)
Re: PRICING - kevin ahern/CT
6/28/2004 6:03:59 AM (2889 views)
Re: PRICING - L ROLAND/CA
6/28/2004 9:35:52 PM (2926 views)
Re: PRICING - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/28/2004 11:09:59 PM (2880 views)
SET THE PRICE! - Kurt deVries/FL
6/29/2004 12:13:32 PM (2968 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/29/2004 8:50:09 PM (3022 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Loretta Reed/MD
6/30/2004 10:09:00 AM (2973 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Kurt deVries/FL
6/30/2004 10:36:53 AM (2946 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Loretta Reed/MD
6/30/2004 11:29:01 AM (2977 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Tracey/NJ
6/30/2004 4:37:44 PM (2913 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/1/2004 9:38:25 AM (2969 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Tracey/NJ
7/1/2004 11:39:38 AM (2874 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/1/2004 2:23:37 PM (2829 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Tracey/NJ
7/1/2004 7:04:24 PM (2918 views)
Monmouth Tracy - Kurt deVries/FL
7/2/2004 11:10:39 AM (2915 views)
Re: Monmouth Tracy - Tracey/NJ
7/2/2004 4:36:21 PM (2872 views)

Companies - Teresa Beeman/NC
6/25/2004 1:34:39 PM (1832 views)
Re: Companies - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/26/2004 12:53:19 AM (2890 views)
Re: Companies - Tammy Elliott/WA
6/26/2004 4:14:20 AM (2844 views)

RE: HOT LIST - Loretta Reed/MD
6/25/2004 10:31:53 AM (1446 views)

6/25...Happy B-Day to...... - R M/NJ
6/25/2004 10:25:29 AM (1818 views)
Re: 6/25...Happy B-Day to...... - Robert Franco/OH
6/25/2004 11:03:53 AM (3070 views)
Re: 6/25...Happy B-Day to...... - Jay Duncan/MO
6/25/2004 2:44:02 PM (2791 views)
Re: 6/25...Happy B-Day to...... - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/25/2004 4:28:57 PM (2848 views)
Re: 6/25...Happy B-Day to...... - Melissa Strang/ME
6/25/2004 4:29:22 PM (2858 views)
Re: 6/25...Happy B-Day to...... - Patty Bolden/TX
6/26/2004 3:40:11 PM (2838 views)


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