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Community College Classes - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 2:28:49 PM (1758 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:44:03 PM (4066 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 2:52:32 PM (3551 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:16:33 PM (3555 views)
Re: Community College Classes - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 5:57:19 PM (3692 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/4/2004 6:44:37 PM (3512 views)

It is the VETERAN...... - Jay Duncan/MO
7/4/2004 2:16:30 PM (1799 views)
Re: It is the GRUNT - Datalore/PA
7/4/2004 8:48:23 PM (3356 views)

Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 10:32:04 AM (1878 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/3/2004 11:17:53 AM (3539 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 11:21:19 AM (3514 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/3/2004 2:01:17 PM (3520 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 6:36:19 PM (3491 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 10:08:24 AM (3407 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/4/2004 11:39:15 AM (3461 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 1:20:04 PM (3509 views)
Kurts Training!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 1:06:10 PM (3510 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/6/2004 4:53:02 PM (3518 views)
Who CAME after you? - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 9:27:34 AM (3410 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 9:35:04 AM (3510 views)
MD has some Crazy Laws - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:45:15 AM (3533 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 1:05:22 PM (3350 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Jay Duncan
7/7/2004 1:18:50 PM (3445 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/7/2004 5:52:19 PM (3522 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/7/2004 10:24:47 AM (3367 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:41:35 AM (3557 views)
Re: Incorporate - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 1:40:02 PM (3404 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 3:23:05 PM (3393 views)
Re: Incorporate - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 3:33:33 PM (3454 views)
Thank You Amanda!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 4:02:16 PM (3326 views)
Re: Thank You Amanda!!! - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 4:08:18 PM (3462 views)
Re: Incorporate - kevin ahern/CT
7/8/2004 7:08:59 AM (3373 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/8/2004 2:38:24 PM (3303 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - Annette Dorty/PA
7/8/2004 4:08:32 PM (3335 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - kevin ahern/CT
7/9/2004 5:27:30 AM (3397 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:21:30 PM (3334 views)

I hate to get involved in this conversation, but I think it is an important topic.  "Newbie Bashing" is not a good thing, and I don't want to blame the "newbies" for some of the problems in the industry - because they don't know the problems that are being caused by their lack of training.  I believe that there are a lot of well intentioned abstractors, very new to the field, who were led down this path by someone else.

The best advice for someone who wants to be an independent abstractor is to work for a title company or attorney for a couple of years (and that may not be enough).  The only way to become a good abstractor is to gain experience... the only way to gain expereince without causing a lot of problems and incurring a huge amount of liability is to have someone knowledgeable in the field review your work and explain "WHY" you should or shouldn't show certian items.  Good training is extremely important!!

For example... when you are searching a property that recently came out of foreclosure with liens still showing open you have to know when lis pendens applies.  Some liens may survive the suit, others may be extiguished. When you have a deed that wasn't notarized properly, what is the statutory requirement that will cure the defect?  There are so many things that you really can't be prepared for, unless you have come across them before and had someone there to properly explain them when they do arise.  That takes a lot of time - and a good teacher.

It is easy for someone to say, "just find the deed and look for any liens", but there is so much more to it than that.  As rates begin to rise and more forclosures are filed, many cliams will be generated.  It is going to be a scary time for a lot of abstractors and insurers.

I have also spoken with a few E&O insurers regarding discounts for NALTEA members and the answer was always the same... "there are a lot of new abstractors that haven't been properly trained entering the field."  This is ONE of the causes of the higer rates, but I'm sure there are other forces at work also.

Source of Title gets a lot of e-mail asking "how do I become an abstractor?" and I always tell them the same thing - get a job with a title company or attorney that has sufficent resources to train you properly.  Anyone who wants to be an abstractor, without the necessary training, can get into the field, but they should be aware of the requirements of the job and fully understand the liability associated with it.  Missing one mortgage, federal tax lien, life estate, or anything else could cost you your home!  Most of us can't afford to pay a $100,000 claim and the rising E&O rates should be an indication of the liability involved.

A final note:  the Source of Title message forums are for everyone, newbies and seasoned abstractors alike, but newbies won't always like the responses they get.  They shouldn't be taken as "hostile" or "bashing" but as a wanring that there is a lot of responsibility involved with abstracting.  Peoples homes, the single largest investment they make, are riding on your ability to perform your duties as an abstractor.  Those who have been trained for years before becoming independent are frustrated with the abstractors that don't think they need to be properly trained or aren't aware of the training that they didn't get.  Some of them simply do not realize how much they do not know.

Best to everyone,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Newbie bashing - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 3:56:18 PM (3322 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:11:04 PM (3270 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 11:20:11 AM (3333 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 1:49:35 PM (3359 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:26:12 PM (3321 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 5:39:52 PM (3363 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Scott Perry/PA
7/5/2004 9:45:45 PM (3286 views)
Keep BUSH IN!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:46:19 PM (3298 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 1:32:32 PM (3185 views)
Rising Rates! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 2:08:43 PM (3191 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/6/2004 6:01:17 PM (4375 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/7/2004 7:38:53 PM (3052 views)
Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 7:43:12 PM (3298 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:14:10 AM (3433 views)
Re: Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 11:43:00 AM (3093 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:00:17 PM (3182 views)

HOT LIST... - Loretta Reed/MD
7/2/2004 10:42:01 PM (1418 views)

Happy 4th!!! - Ellen/MO
7/2/2004 4:39:43 PM (1826 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/2/2004 5:06:12 PM (3398 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/2/2004 5:45:08 PM (3335 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/2/2004 6:15:03 PM (3292 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Jay Duncan
7/2/2004 7:52:33 PM (3303 views)




ATC - Accelerated Title Co - Teresa Beeman/NC
7/2/2004 10:24:33 AM (2031 views)
Re: ATC - Accelerated Title Co - Barbara Bennett/IN
7/2/2004 2:56:20 PM (3405 views)

to the best contact person, happy b-day - monica froese/ME
7/1/2004 10:20:23 PM (1574 views)

Order your NALTEA Business Cards for your... - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH
7/1/2004 7:32:09 PM (1583 views)

National Equity Services - Michelle/NJ
7/1/2004 7:26:55 PM (2113 views)
Re: National Equity Services - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 7:49:38 PM (3683 views)

Service Link out of PA? - Douglas Johnson/MN
7/1/2004 4:48:55 PM (2146 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/1/2004 5:40:03 PM (3868 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 6:06:46 PM (3829 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Robert Franco/OH
7/1/2004 6:17:57 PM (3818 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Douglas Johnson/MN
7/2/2004 1:20:34 PM (3637 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Ken Ungarsohn/NJ
7/16/2009 10:39:19 AM (7340 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - CLEOFI BLASS/NJ
7/2/2004 2:01:11 PM (3724 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/2/2004 6:17:23 PM (3726 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - CLEOFI BLASS/NJ
7/6/2004 12:27:33 PM (3788 views)
Too bad...their loss!! - Scott Perry/PA
7/6/2004 10:16:23 PM (3655 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Patricia Palmer/PA
7/7/2004 5:35:43 PM (3861 views)

Abstractor Associations - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH
6/30/2004 5:58:21 PM (2567 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
6/30/2004 7:56:55 PM (3583 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Jay Duncan/MO
6/30/2004 9:17:08 PM (3469 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Jay Duncan/MO
6/30/2004 9:33:33 PM (4428 views)

?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Patty Bolden/TX
6/30/2004 4:29:58 PM (1989 views)
Re: ?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Patty Bolden/TX
7/5/2004 11:20:25 AM (3403 views)
Re: ?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 3:29:09 PM (3485 views)

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - julie jasiunas/WI
6/30/2004 12:42:13 PM (2056 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Amanda Packey/FL
6/30/2004 3:58:00 PM (3653 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Scott Fisher/TN
6/30/2004 6:20:12 PM (3463 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - monica froese/ME
6/30/2004 9:51:39 PM (3488 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 1:40:28 AM (3813 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/2/2004 9:38:23 PM (3685 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - monica froese/ME
7/2/2004 9:50:35 PM (3402 views)
Unsolicitated Facsimiles - R M/NJ
6/30/2004 10:21:50 PM (4521 views)
Re: Unsolicitated Facsimiles - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/2/2004 9:43:36 PM (3421 views)

PRICING - L ROLAND/CA
6/26/2004 12:48:44 PM (1997 views)
Re: PRICING - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/26/2004 2:46:19 PM (3642 views)
Re: PRICING - Robert Franco/OH
6/28/2004 10:01:34 AM (3618 views)
Re: PRICING - kevin ahern/CT
6/28/2004 6:03:59 AM (3504 views)
Re: PRICING - L ROLAND/CA
6/28/2004 9:35:52 PM (3504 views)
Re: PRICING - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/28/2004 11:09:59 PM (3483 views)
SET THE PRICE! - Kurt deVries/FL
6/29/2004 12:13:32 PM (3607 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/29/2004 8:50:09 PM (3588 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Loretta Reed/MD
6/30/2004 10:09:00 AM (3593 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Kurt deVries/FL
6/30/2004 10:36:53 AM (3496 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Loretta Reed/MD
6/30/2004 11:29:01 AM (3555 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Tracey/NJ
6/30/2004 4:37:44 PM (3481 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/1/2004 9:38:25 AM (3561 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Tracey/NJ
7/1/2004 11:39:38 AM (3497 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/1/2004 2:23:37 PM (3409 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Tracey/NJ
7/1/2004 7:04:24 PM (3518 views)
Monmouth Tracy - Kurt deVries/FL
7/2/2004 11:10:39 AM (3498 views)
Re: Monmouth Tracy - Tracey/NJ
7/2/2004 4:36:21 PM (3461 views)

Companies - Teresa Beeman/NC
6/25/2004 1:34:39 PM (2076 views)
Re: Companies - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/26/2004 12:53:19 AM (3451 views)
Re: Companies - Tammy Elliott/WA
6/26/2004 4:14:20 AM (3434 views)


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