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The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Robert Franco/OH
5/30/2004 12:49:13 PM (1946 views)
Re: The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 10:31:09 PM (3769 views)
Re: The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2004 5:42:35 PM (3765 views)

Just to set the record straight! - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 4:17:55 AM (2151 views)
Re: Just to set the record straight! - Kristi Lee/NE
6/2/2004 12:41:26 PM (3999 views)

Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 7:41:12 PM (2040 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 11:10:16 PM (3991 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 5:55:29 AM (3965 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2004 7:44:16 PM (3908 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/1/2004 4:49:14 AM (3830 views)

not working tonight...part 2 - monica froese/ME
5/28/2004 4:51:57 PM (1909 views)
Re: not working tonight...part 2 - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 6:54:00 PM (3624 views)

THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 3:15:35 AM (2001 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION, part 1 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 9:41:10 AM (3923 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 2 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 9:56:13 AM (3967 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 10:18:33 AM (3811 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - David Bloys
5/28/2004 11:43:16 AM (3995 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 12:36:02 PM (3837 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - David Bloys
5/28/2004 2:31:42 PM (3937 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:14:04 PM (3936 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 3:21:56 PM (3788 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/28/2004 4:08:12 PM (3838 views)
Re: My small comments - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2004 8:00:51 PM (3910 views)
Re: My small comments - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2004 5:46:00 PM (3877 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 11:03:17 AM (3808 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 12:57:23 PM (3935 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 1:37:03 PM (3902 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 2:55:15 PM (3902 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:12:22 PM (3998 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 3:32:57 PM (3825 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:56:08 PM (3916 views)
Bottom Line - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 6:05:20 PM (3811 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 9:56:31 AM (3767 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/29/2004 12:24:43 PM (3792 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 1:52:47 PM (3841 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Jay Duncan
5/29/2004 2:28:05 PM (3731 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/29/2004 3:26:56 PM (3664 views)
Bottom Line - David Bloys/TX
5/29/2004 6:49:00 PM (3783 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/29/2004 4:46:33 PM (3765 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 8:35:16 PM (3763 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/30/2004 2:52:13 AM (3750 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 6:22:28 PM (3645 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys/TX
5/29/2004 7:48:48 PM (3673 views)

I don't assume this at all Judy. In fact, I assume that you are doing just what you said you are doing, trying to make a living.

You are not a Charlatan, neither are you an abstractor. You may be some day, maybe even a great one.

Do you remember when you first came on this site a couple of months ago? You were asking for a mentor. You knew then that you were not qualified to accept orders as an abstractor. You knew that you needed help and you made an honest appeal here for that help.

You may not believe me now but I was considering offering you whatever help I could in a private email. I checked out your web site and found your claim of being not only a abstractor, but an insured abstractor with many years of experience. Curious to me why you would so honestly and humbly seek a mentor here on SOT while telling potential clients that you were in fact already an insured abstractor with many years of experience. So I checked out your listing here on SOT only to find that here you not only claimed all the above but added "a coach to abstractors".

If you were all of these things you obviously did not need a mentor. In fact, wouldn't "a coach to abstractors" be very similar to a mentor? So I never sent that email offer.

I watched to when you posted that you were just trying to make a living and did not intend to take business from anyone. I believed you were sincere but couldn't see the logic of your statement. Where did you think your clients would be coming from? The clients we serve are already being served by someone. Most likely someone with years of experience and satifactory service. What would you offer these clients that they were not already being given? The living you were trying to make could only come from the living someone else had built over many years. You cannot offer the same service the experienced abstractors are already giving. Eventually, no matter how well intentioned and honest you may be you will be forced to either make claims you cannot back up or offer undercut fees to compensate for your lack of experience.

My advice to you had I sent that email would have been to either gain the experience you need by working for an experienced abstractor, title company or attorney. If this was not an option you might have done document retrieval or data acquisition until you gained enough experience to feel comfortable doing a few of the less demanding searches if you let your client know in advance that you were inexperienced. Your clients might have even helped you if they knew in advance that you had really never done this type of work before.

Yes, there always be new people claiming to be abstractors. They will come and they will go. I've seen many over the years. The ones who stay are usually the ones who treat their clients honestly and professionally. The ones who go leave in their wake confusion about what an abstractor is and the service we provide. Clients are often left with large lawsuits resulting from their belief in a new "abstractor" who wasn't an abstractor and now never will be.

Now, the new people claiming to be qualified abstractors need not even be in the same county as the experienced abstractors. They don't even have to be in the same country according to the offshore outsource companies. After all, they are just "new abstractors" too. Just trying to make a living and not wanting to take business away from anyone.

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Re: Bottom Line - monica froese/ME
5/29/2004 9:56:04 PM (3628 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/30/2004 12:46:59 AM (3669 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/30/2004 3:58:09 AM (3700 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Bill Elliott/NC
6/5/2004 4:37:09 PM (3621 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - kevin ahern/CT
5/29/2004 6:44:12 AM (3711 views)




I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 10:09:38 PM (2009 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Slade Smith/OH
5/28/2004 2:02:23 AM (4767 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 12:12:10 PM (3784 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 10:22:57 AM (3721 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - kevin ahern/CT
5/29/2004 6:46:13 AM (3697 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 6:25:19 PM (3529 views)

watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - monica froese/ME
5/27/2004 9:28:39 PM (1833 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 9:35:44 PM (3446 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - monica froese/ME
5/27/2004 10:03:58 PM (3442 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 8:34:32 AM (3433 views)

WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Cleofi Blass/NJ
5/27/2004 7:46:47 AM (2080 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 8:56:37 AM (3735 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - David Bloys/TX
5/27/2004 9:43:31 AM (3540 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2004 11:27:51 AM (3644 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/27/2004 10:55:17 PM (3559 views)
Nothing - IMHO - David Nixon/MA
5/27/2004 11:44:26 AM (3614 views)
Re: Nothing - IMHO - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 3:00:02 PM (3633 views)
Re: Nothing - IMHO - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
5/27/2004 9:49:57 PM (3393 views)
David a reminder? - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 3:16:07 AM (3508 views)
Re: David a reminder? - David Nixon/MA
6/2/2004 1:09:57 PM (3349 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/27/2004 4:57:18 PM (3460 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - kevin ahern/CT
5/27/2004 7:15:05 PM (3446 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
5/27/2004 9:47:45 PM (3480 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 10:05:28 PM (3494 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Kurt deVries/FL
5/28/2004 2:31:42 PM (3498 views)
Re: Hey Kurt............ - Loretta Reed/MD
5/29/2004 8:13:14 AM (3500 views)
Re: Hey Kurt......One more thing...... - Loretta Reed/MD
5/29/2004 8:16:03 AM (3504 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - MARC DAVIS/NY
5/31/2004 4:17:13 PM (3441 views)

HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Abstractor Conference
5/24/2004 9:02:57 PM (2115 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - monica froese/ME
5/24/2004 9:27:04 PM (3459 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan
5/24/2004 10:11:42 PM (3495 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/25/2004 5:35:19 PM (3412 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/25/2004 5:42:03 PM (3548 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan/MO
5/25/2004 6:23:28 PM (3516 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jessica Marshall/NY
5/25/2004 8:35:09 PM (3474 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan
5/25/2004 11:53:06 PM (3510 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/26/2004 5:59:01 AM (3578 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/26/2004 10:26:29 AM (3604 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/26/2004 9:16:23 PM (3509 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 8:43:44 AM (3543 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - kevin ahern/CT
5/26/2004 6:36:25 AM (3539 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/26/2004 10:34:46 AM (3487 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - David Bloys
5/26/2004 3:29:37 PM (3512 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/26/2004 4:59:29 PM (3503 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - David Bloys
5/26/2004 6:24:04 PM (3612 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2004 11:21:12 AM (3514 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - kevin ahern/CT
5/27/2004 7:10:22 PM (3495 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 9:56:31 PM (3386 views)

happy b-day doug - monica froese/ME
5/22/2004 6:48:29 PM (1443 views)

Hey there Slade! - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/22/2004 5:33:38 PM (1878 views)
Searching by name - Slade Smith/GA
5/23/2004 12:22:27 AM (3758 views)
Re: Searching by name - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/23/2004 11:48:09 AM (3596 views)
Re: Searching by name - Jay Duncan
5/23/2004 11:30:32 PM (3771 views)
Re: Searching by name - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/24/2004 12:54:06 AM (3617 views)

FYI >>>> - MARC DAVIS/NY
5/22/2004 12:51:32 PM (1582 views)

digital camera copies - Susan Raynard/MA
5/22/2004 9:12:09 AM (1907 views)
Re: digital camera copies - MARC DAVIS/NY
5/22/2004 12:39:13 PM (3654 views)
Re: digital camera copies - Susan Raynard/MA
5/22/2004 2:30:00 PM (3804 views)
Re: digital camera copies - Alan Voorheis
5/22/2004 2:28:07 PM (3673 views)
Re: digital camera copies - Susan Raynard/MA
5/22/2004 2:35:59 PM (3712 views)
Re: digital camera copies - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/22/2004 5:16:23 PM (3734 views)
Re: digital camera copies - monica froese/ME
5/22/2004 6:56:03 PM (3779 views)
Re: digital camera copies - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/23/2004 11:54:36 AM (3856 views)
Susan a ? - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 3:12:50 AM (3711 views)

not workin' tonight - monica froese/ME
5/21/2004 9:05:22 PM (1868 views)
Re: not workin' tonight - Scott Perry/PA
5/21/2004 10:08:22 PM (3605 views)
OH MY GOODNESS - Loretta Reed/MD
5/21/2004 10:41:17 PM (3758 views)
Re: not workin' tonight - Melissa Strang/ME
5/22/2004 4:53:26 PM (3759 views)
Re: not workin' tonight - kevin ahern/CT
5/22/2004 7:31:56 AM (3618 views)
Re: not workin' tonight - MARC DAVIS/NY
5/22/2004 12:42:01 PM (3685 views)
Re: not workin' tonight - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/22/2004 3:40:25 PM (3625 views)
Re: not workin' tonight - Slade Smith/GA
5/23/2004 1:02:43 AM (3668 views)
Re: not workin' tonight - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/23/2004 9:56:20 PM (3704 views)
Re: not workin' tonight - monica froese/ME
5/24/2004 6:48:47 PM (3551 views)

p.s.... - monica froese/ME
5/21/2004 8:08:24 PM (1480 views)


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