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[+] Non Paying Companies - Arme Hill/AL (1 reply)
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[+] Accurate Group - Leigh Attridge/MA (1 reply)
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[+] Even more lack of privacy... - J Nisonger/CA (7 replies)
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[+] Closing Question... - Robert Franco/OH (12 replies)
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The $10,000 Cowboy Hat and the Constitution - David Bloys/TX
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[-] charge for viewing online index ??? - george Hubka/MI (55 replies)
3/25/2008 10:02:00 PM (3657 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
3/25/2008 10:40:57 PM (5090 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - george Hubka/MI
3/25/2008 11:07:17 PM (5037 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
3/26/2008 12:34:34 AM (5024 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Scott Perry/PA
3/26/2008 12:43:24 AM (5025 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Rob  Robinson/PA
3/26/2008 11:04:02 AM (4889 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Robert Franco/OH
3/26/2008 11:58:46 AM (7179 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Rob  Robinson/PA
3/27/2008 10:22:30 AM (7059 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Scott Perry/PA
3/27/2008 12:09:09 PM (4899 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - David Bloys/TX
3/27/2008 12:41:29 PM (4814 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
3/26/2008 12:19:29 PM (4818 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Robert Franco/OH
3/26/2008 12:43:57 PM (4898 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
3/26/2008 3:27:07 PM (4746 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - David Bloys/TX
3/26/2008 7:30:26 PM (6987 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
3/26/2008 10:00:13 PM (4882 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - David Bloys/TX
3/26/2008 11:37:15 PM (4877 views)
So I take it you won't be telling your clients that your sources are not official, authenticated, or correct? When you are sued because your online source was not official will you tell your E&O carrier?

By the way, the county recorders and clerks are responsible for the accuracy of the records they keep. Most do a great job in upholding their feduciary duties to the taxpayers. This falls apart entirely when the clerk's job is turned over to IT vendors and this is why you see the disclaimers on the web sites and not posted on the courthouse walls.

As to your contention that the VA legislature has "dealt" with the Virginia Watchdog for doing what the Counties were doing, this "Stop BJ Ostergren Law" is not likely to withstand challenges in Federal court. This issue has already been decided publishing online what the counties were publishing online don't be so sure.

The fact is this law targeted the messenger instead of the agencies who were responsible. It violates Ostergren's First and Fourteenth amendment rights. Here's what the Virginia ACLU which is prepared to fight this on the behalf of Ostergren had to say "but the government can’t put the numbers online and then turn around prevent the public from using those numbers.”

“This is a grossly misplaced bill that attempts to mask the fact that Virginia’s lawmakers have failed to prevent Social Security Numbers from being placed online in the first place,” added Willis. “If Social Security Numbers were removed from public records when they are placed online, there would be no need for this bill.”

Similar cases have already been tried in Federal Court and the results are consistently the same. See The Florida Star v. B.J.F., 491 U.S. 524 (1989) and In a case more directly on point, a district court struck down a statute that prohibited the publication of the addresses, telephone numbers, and Social Security Numbers of law enforcement officers.  See Sheehan v. Gregoire, 272 F.Supp.2d 1135 (W.D. Wash. 2003).  The plaintiff in Sheehan had obtained such information from public records and posted it on a website advocating police accountability.  Relying on Florida Star, the court held that the statute was unconstitutionally overbroad.

Your legislature has done nothing to protect the citizens of Virginia and by this bill shown their intent is to shoot the messenger and allow the government to do even more harm to the people who trusted them  -- the Virginia public.

According to your posts, you are no longer a member of the Virginia public, only a subscriber to remote access of records that belong to the taxpayers of Virginia and you cannot be bothered with going to the courthouse for accurate official records. Neither can your counterparts in India, Pakistan and China.





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Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Scott Perry/PA
3/26/2008 4:24:45 PM (4793 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - David Bloys/TX
3/26/2008 8:47:19 PM (7135 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Scott Perry/PA
3/27/2008 3:00:58 AM (4871 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Robert Franco/OH
3/27/2008 1:00:46 PM (4771 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Scott Perry/PA
3/27/2008 1:13:52 PM (4834 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - george Hubka/MI
3/26/2008 9:07:33 PM (4783 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - David Bloys/TX
3/26/2008 8:06:37 PM (6839 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Anita Backlund/MN
3/27/2008 12:05:30 AM (4728 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - David Bloys/TX
3/27/2008 12:27:35 AM (4806 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Robert Franco/OH
3/27/2008 1:24:26 PM (4773 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - michael quinn/NY
3/28/2008 2:21:59 AM (4858 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
3/28/2008 9:22:42 AM (4744 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - michael quinn/NY
3/28/2008 4:41:03 PM (4833 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
3/28/2008 5:51:13 PM (4698 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - michael quinn/NY
3/28/2008 7:34:07 PM (4710 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
3/28/2008 8:38:54 PM (4646 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - michael quinn/NY
3/29/2008 1:24:47 AM (4624 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
3/29/2008 10:42:15 AM (4563 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - george Hubka/MI
3/29/2008 11:12:19 PM (4647 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
3/29/2008 11:39:38 PM (4581 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Rob  Robinson/PA
3/31/2008 12:08:38 PM (4498 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Jessica Talley/NJ
3/28/2008 4:43:01 PM (4673 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Rob  Robinson/PA
3/28/2008 4:48:57 PM (4691 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - michael quinn/NY
3/28/2008 5:22:12 PM (4708 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Jessica Talley/NJ
3/31/2008 1:37:51 PM (4547 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - george Hubka/MI
3/29/2008 11:15:04 PM (4574 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - J Nisonger/CA
3/30/2008 4:26:57 AM (4525 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
3/30/2008 11:02:40 AM (4501 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - michael quinn/NY
3/31/2008 12:11:46 AM (4491 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - george Hubka/MI
3/31/2008 8:56:59 AM (4415 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
3/31/2008 10:56:49 AM (4451 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Robert Franco/OH
3/31/2008 12:53:36 PM (4409 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
3/31/2008 5:02:10 PM (4383 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - michael quinn/NY
3/31/2008 5:25:08 PM (4356 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Ron McPherson/IA
3/31/2008 9:09:43 PM (4336 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Robert Franco/OH
3/31/2008 11:32:04 PM (4262 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Janis Talbot/SC
3/31/2008 6:21:13 PM (4316 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Scott Perry/PA
3/31/2008 7:08:25 PM (4282 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - michael quinn/NY
4/1/2008 12:16:33 AM (4222 views)
Re: charge for viewing online index ??? - Bob  Goeppner/MA
4/1/2008 12:35:26 PM (4211 views)

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