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Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2011 12:22:43 PM (5907 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - James Roberts/MD
8/16/2011 12:45:21 PM (5685 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Patrick Scott/IL
8/16/2011 1:09:07 PM (5703 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Leigh Attridge/MA
8/16/2011 2:52:43 PM (5642 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Leigh Attridge/MA
8/16/2011 7:40:54 PM (5472 views)
Where's Andy? - J. H./OH
8/16/2011 8:02:48 PM (5546 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2011 10:41:26 PM (5536 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - J. H./OH
8/16/2011 10:54:08 PM (5605 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Robert Franco/OH
8/17/2011 12:00:32 PM (5592 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Leigh Attridge/MA
8/17/2011 12:56:17 PM (5606 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Robert Franco/OH
8/17/2011 1:59:21 PM (5584 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Leigh Attridge/MA
8/17/2011 2:50:29 PM (5628 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Leigh Attridge/MA
8/17/2011 2:55:09 PM (7591 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Donna McCullough/SC
8/28/2011 9:38:07 PM (5227 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Robert Franco/OH
8/18/2011 3:05:07 PM (5547 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Constance Foye/VA
8/23/2011 12:11:34 AM (5380 views)
Re: Another Hypothetical: Survivorship - Robert Franco/OH
8/23/2011 10:31:18 AM (5487 views)

converting files to pdf - JOANN CALWELL/MD
8/15/2011 2:14:56 PM (3811 views)
Re: converting files to pdf - Scott Perry/PA
8/15/2011 2:47:50 PM (5487 views)
Re: converting files to pdf - Kurt deVries/FL
8/15/2011 3:09:35 PM (5419 views)
Re: converting files to pdf - Sheila Sten/PA
8/15/2011 5:02:03 PM (5382 views)
Re: converting files to pdf - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: converting files to pdf - Elisa Butler/PA
8/15/2011 5:28:18 PM (5361 views)
Re: converting files to pdf - Bill Zimmerman/VA
8/15/2011 6:23:18 PM (5376 views)
Re: converting files to pdf - Nils Nelson/ME
8/15/2011 8:03:44 PM (5392 views)
Re: converting files to pdf - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
8/15/2011 8:27:07 PM (5353 views)
Re: converting files to pdf - STEVE MEINECKE/KS
8/16/2011 4:40:40 PM (5280 views)
No scanner - William Pattison /CA
8/17/2011 8:33:20 AM (5320 views)
Re: No scanner - Gerry
8/17/2011 11:11:31 AM (5218 views)
Re: No scanner - Ron McPherson/IA
8/19/2011 11:07:27 PM (5458 views)
Re: No scanner - William Pattison /CA
8/22/2011 2:00:15 PM (5165 views)
Re: No scanner - Ron McPherson/IA
8/23/2011 3:44:10 AM (5203 views)
Never said otherwise - William Pattison /CA
8/26/2011 12:10:55 PM (5139 views)
Re: No scanner - James Powell/MI
2/5/2016 2:51:44 PM (3195 views)
Re: No scanner - Kevin McCarthy/AR
8/22/2011 11:42:48 AM (5248 views)
Panasonic DMC-FH20 - William Pattison /CA
8/22/2011 2:06:02 PM (5342 views)
Re: No scanner - Bill Zimmerman/VA
8/22/2011 12:06:05 PM (5170 views)
Re: No scanner - Michael Ebersole/PA
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Re: No scanner - Alix Ott/MI
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Re: converting files to pdf - William Pattison /CA
8/17/2011 8:11:52 AM (5224 views)
Re: converting files to pdf - Paula Reynolds/FL
8/22/2011 6:09:15 AM (5145 views)
Re: converting files to pdf - Alix Ott/MI
8/22/2011 8:22:06 AM (5152 views)
Re: converting files to pdf - REBECCA RIZZONELLI/PA
2/9/2016 8:55:02 AM (3240 views)
Re: converting files to pdf - Allen Bruce/OH
2/13/2016 3:26:02 PM (3080 views)

At Vacant Homes Foraging for Fruit - Leigh Attridge/MA
8/15/2011 8:24:30 AM (4176 views)

Core Logic?? - Kurt deVries/FL
8/12/2011 9:26:11 PM (3857 views)
Re: Core Logic?? - Jason Knowles/AL
8/15/2011 8:53:15 AM (5309 views)
Re: Core Logic?? - Jessica Talley/FL
8/18/2011 10:59:20 AM (5376 views)
Re: Core Logic?? - Pat/WV
8/22/2011 9:55:27 AM (5089 views)

After a 15 year legal battle over zoning the house will be razed - Leigh Attridge/MA
8/12/2011 3:20:55 PM (4006 views)


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Interesting Hypothetical Question - Robert Franco/OH
8/12/2011 11:48:43 AM (6825 views)

Sam owns a run-down property that he wants to get rid of. 

In the morning, Andy stops by to visit Sam and offers him $3,000 to buy it.  Sam accepts the offer and on the spot executes a warranty deed and delivers it to Andy.  Andy pays him $3,000 in cash.

In the afternoon, on the same day, Bruce visits Sam and offers him $3,000 to buy the property.  Sam accepts the offer and on the spot executes a warranty deed and delivers it to Bruce.  Bruce pays Sam $3,000 in cash.

Unbeknownst to Andy or Bruce, they both arrive at the courthouse at the same time to record their deeds.  Andy is first in line at the Auditor's office to pay the conveyance fee and get his deed stamped.  The clerk tells Andy that he needs to get the legal description approved first, and directs him to the Tax Map Office. 

Bruce gets a different clerk who doesn't realize that Andy has a deed for the same property. Bruce's deed gets the required stamp and proceeds to the recorder's office where his deed is properly recorded.

Andy gets his legal approved and goes back to the Auditor's office, where Bruce's transfer is not yet showing up in the Auditor's computer system.  Unaware that the property has already been transferred to Bruce, Andy gets the deed stamped and proceeds to the recorder's office where his deed is recorded... just minutes after Bruce's deed went on record.

Who is the legal owner of the property?

This hypothetical is based on a true set of facts recently relayed to me by another abstractor.  I realize that state laws may vary, but I thought it would make for a very interesting discussion.  First, because I think that strong arguments can be made supporting both Andy and Bruce.  Second, because I think it would be interesting to hear how much state law varies.  So, please, share your opinion of the status of the title to this property.

If we get some good responses, I promise to share the outcome of the "true story" on which this hypothetical is based.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Interesting Hypothetical Question - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
8/12/2011 12:01:05 PM (5500 views)
Andy wins. - J. H./OH
8/12/2011 1:17:54 PM (5748 views)
Re: Andy wins. - Robert Franco/OH
8/12/2011 3:52:16 PM (5770 views)
Re: Interesting Hypothetical Question - Patrick Scott/IL
8/13/2011 3:35:54 PM (5727 views)
Re: Interesting Hypothetical Question - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2011 9:59:49 AM (5504 views)
Re: Interesting Hypothetical Question - Jolene Lien/MN
8/15/2011 9:09:16 AM (5451 views)
Re: Interesting Hypothetical Question - WAYNE QUICK/NC
8/15/2011 9:55:41 AM (5389 views)
Re: Interesting Hypothetical Question - Jolene Lien/MN
8/15/2011 10:41:08 AM (5481 views)
Re: Interesting Hypothetical Question - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2011 10:45:45 AM (5411 views)
Re: Interesting Hypothetical Question - Jolene Lien/MN
8/15/2011 10:55:34 AM (5375 views)
Re: Interesting Hypothetical Question - Patrick Scott/IL
8/15/2011 12:22:41 PM (5432 views)
Re: Interesting Hypothetical Question - Shona Dunning/WY
8/15/2011 1:23:09 PM (5302 views)
Re: Interesting Hypothetical Question - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2011 1:36:44 PM (5361 views)
Re: Interesting Hypothetical Question - William Pattison /CA
8/15/2011 2:55:15 PM (5482 views)
Re: Interesting Hypothetical Question - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2011 4:54:42 PM (5362 views)

8MB Message Limit - Helene /GA
8/11/2011 9:30:03 PM (3309 views)
Re: 8MB Message Limit - Robert Franco/OH
8/12/2011 10:11:42 AM (5036 views)
Re: 8MB Message Limit - Branden Rodgers/OH
8/12/2011 3:34:19 PM (5122 views)
Re: 8MB Message Limit - Helene/GA
8/12/2011 4:16:39 PM (5050 views)
Re: 8MB Message Limit - Alix Ott/MI
8/15/2011 8:04:44 AM (4951 views)
Re: 8MB Message Limit - Bill Zimmerman/VA
8/15/2011 10:00:25 AM (4961 views)
Learn to use DropBox or GoogleDocs - William Pattison /CA
8/15/2011 10:04:26 AM (5043 views)
Re: Learn to use DropBox or GoogleDocs - Bill Zimmerman/VA
8/15/2011 10:09:42 AM (4846 views)
Re: Learn to use DropBox or GoogleDocs - William Pattison /CA
8/15/2011 3:25:02 PM (4949 views)

Georgetown v Marines 1923 - Smashmouth Football - Leigh Attridge/MA
8/11/2011 7:00:25 PM (4224 views)

Express National T/A Express TAE, Inc. - Jennifer Coffey/VA
8/10/2011 6:29:00 PM (3327 views)

Question on protocol regarding up-charges - Kym/NJ
8/10/2011 3:24:04 PM (3294 views)
Re: Question on protocol regarding up-charges - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/10/2011 3:51:03 PM (4888 views)
Re: Question on protocol regarding up-charges - Robert Franco/OH
8/10/2011 4:06:38 PM (4916 views)
Re: Question on protocol regarding up-charges - Barbara Bennett/IN
8/10/2011 4:31:17 PM (4874 views)
Re: Question on protocol regarding up-charges - Alix Ott/MI
8/15/2011 7:56:21 AM (4905 views)
Re: Question on protocol regarding up-charges - Ron McPherson/IA
8/10/2011 6:53:41 PM (4996 views)
Re: Question on protocol regarding up-charges - Leigh Attridge/MA
8/11/2011 6:45:22 AM (5013 views)
Re: Question on protocol regarding up-charges - Kym/NJ
8/11/2011 9:32:49 AM (4953 views)
Re: Question on protocol regarding up-charges - WAYNE QUICK/NC
8/15/2011 10:02:22 AM (4816 views)
Never call; get it in writing instead - William Pattison /CA
8/17/2011 8:18:59 AM (4762 views)

Massachusetts reaches 125 million settlement with subprime lender - Option One - Leigh Attridge/MA
8/9/2011 2:42:40 PM (4036 views)

United Lender Services - Jack Johanson/PA
8/9/2011 2:25:01 PM (3864 views)
Re: United Lender Services - Michelle /OH
9/27/2011 12:54:58 PM (4295 views)
Re: United Lender Services - John Baker/OH
2/20/2012 2:20:01 PM (3800 views)

AAC Abstract - Marte Smith/WI
8/9/2011 9:37:11 AM (2808 views)

AFX Title - Celia Franklin/GA
8/8/2011 8:18:20 PM (4284 views)
Re: AFX Title - Ron McPherson/IA
8/8/2011 8:41:26 PM (5166 views)
Re: AFX Title - Patrick Scott/IL
8/9/2011 1:23:37 AM (5057 views)
Re: AFX Title - William Pattison /CA
8/9/2011 2:11:43 PM (4929 views)
Re: AFX Title - Alix Ott/MI
8/15/2011 7:58:22 AM (4831 views)
Re: AFX Title - Celia Franklin/GA
8/15/2011 9:25:13 AM (4744 views)

Comment on "ALTA: Title insurance should be required for qualified residential mortgages" - Source of Title/OH
8/8/2011 4:11:16 PM (3021 views)
ALTA Statement Self-serving - anonymous/DC
8/8/2011 4:11:17 PM (7206 views)
Re: Comment on "ALTA: Title insurance should be required for qualified residential mortgages" - michael rafferty/VA
8/8/2011 7:39:16 PM (7089 views)
Drinking the Sand... - J. H./OH
8/31/2011 10:33:30 PM (8619 views)


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