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Company Info - Randall Johnston/TX
4/21/2009 12:49:00 AM (3099 views)

Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Glenda Hodge/TN
4/20/2009 7:57:29 PM (4205 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Dan Zook/NY
4/21/2009 9:24:53 AM (4365 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Robert Franco/OH
4/21/2009 9:50:38 AM (5969 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Glenda Hodge/TN
4/21/2009 10:05:22 AM (3954 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Helene /GA
4/22/2009 9:53:59 PM (3952 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Alix Ott/MI
4/27/2009 11:05:09 AM (3660 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/27/2009 12:02:11 PM (3817 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Alix Ott/MI
4/27/2009 12:06:52 PM (3715 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/27/2009 12:17:50 PM (3765 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Alix Ott/MI
4/28/2009 8:45:40 AM (3710 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Norean Cashwell/GA
5/2/2009 12:35:19 PM (3638 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Helene /GA
5/4/2009 9:05:50 AM (3632 views)
Re: Add as "Additional Insured" on E&O policy?? - Helene /GA
5/5/2009 7:01:50 PM (3742 views)

E&O INSURANCE - HOPE DEZERN/SC
4/20/2009 11:33:09 AM (3913 views)
Re: E&O INSURANCE - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/20/2009 12:39:19 PM (4055 views)
Re: E&O INSURANCE - Leigh Attridge/MA
4/20/2009 2:47:14 PM (3955 views)
Re: E&O INSURANCE - Edward Huguenin/SC
4/20/2009 6:03:49 PM (3916 views)
Re: E&O INSURANCE - Langdon Knight/MO
4/23/2009 5:14:19 PM (3849 views)
Re: E&O INSURANCE - Vickey Olszewski/GA
4/24/2009 2:02:41 PM (3816 views)
Re: E&O INSURANCE - HOPE DEZERN/SC
4/28/2009 11:07:23 AM (3522 views)
Re: E&O INSURANCE - Edward Huguenin/SC
4/28/2009 4:25:48 PM (7360 views)
Re: E&O INSURANCE - Helen Murphy/MD
4/27/2009 9:35:00 AM (3708 views)
Re: E&O INSURANCE - Alix Ott/MI
4/27/2009 10:54:30 AM (3626 views)

American Documents & Title LLC - Leigh Attridge/MA
4/17/2009 3:45:16 PM (5685 views)
Re: American Documents & Title LLC - Sean  Barrett /RI
4/21/2009 4:52:36 PM (4137 views)
Re: American Documents & Title LLC - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/21/2009 8:51:05 PM (4094 views)
Re: American Documents & Title LLC - Edward Huguenin/SC
4/22/2009 10:18:21 AM (4063 views)
Re: American Documents & Title LLC - Michele  Peele/NC
5/18/2009 8:35:54 PM (3844 views)
Re: American Documents & Title LLC - Brett Ryder/NC
9/30/2012 8:00:44 AM (2877 views)

time share searches in VA - Deborah Manion/VA
4/17/2009 2:15:14 PM (3530 views)
Re: time share searches in VA - Langdon Knight/MO
4/18/2009 12:06:10 AM (3779 views)
Re: time share searches in VA - Angela Ward/FL
4/20/2009 1:19:27 PM (3622 views)
Re: time share searches in VA - Paula Reynolds/FL
5/1/2011 11:37:18 AM (3248 views)




Abstractor Services - Thomas Haycook/OH
4/16/2009 11:01:56 AM (3129 views)

Anti-Tax Tea Parties - Helene/GA
4/15/2009 9:56:02 PM (3439 views)
Re: Anti-Tax Tea Parties - Langdon Knight/MO
4/16/2009 7:20:12 PM (3856 views)
Re: Anti-Tax Tea Parties - Helene /GA
4/16/2009 10:30:55 PM (3754 views)
Re: Anti-Tax Tea Parties - Alix Ott/MI
4/22/2009 4:42:07 PM (3628 views)
Re: Anti-Tax Tea Parties - Brad Bradbury/PA
4/23/2009 11:42:58 PM (3539 views)
Re: Anti-Tax Tea Parties - Brad Bradbury/PA
4/23/2009 11:43:48 PM (3594 views)
Re: Anti-Tax Tea Parties - Garret  Fitzgerald/VA
4/30/2009 12:21:21 PM (3523 views)
Well said... - Robert Franco/OH
4/30/2009 1:00:22 PM (3484 views)
Re: Well said... - Kurt deVries/FL
4/30/2009 2:00:13 PM (3576 views)
Re: Well said... - Robert Franco/OH
4/30/2009 2:38:53 PM (3377 views)
Re: Well said... - Garret  Fitzgerald/VA
4/30/2009 6:31:49 PM (3506 views)
Re: Well said... - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/30/2009 8:13:39 PM (3473 views)
Re: Well said... - Garret  Fitzgerald/VA
5/1/2009 1:33:29 PM (3360 views)
Re: Well said... - Vickey Olszewski/GA
4/30/2009 10:41:25 PM (3458 views)
Re: Well said... - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/1/2009 9:05:12 AM (3467 views)
Re: Well said... - Kurt deVries/FL
5/1/2009 10:43:46 AM (3341 views)
Re: Well said... - Garret  Fitzgerald/VA
5/1/2009 1:06:05 PM (3403 views)
Re: Well said... - Garret  Fitzgerald/VA
5/1/2009 1:17:21 PM (3498 views)
Re: Well said... - Scott Perry/PA
5/2/2009 11:49:06 AM (3456 views)
Re: Anti-Tax Tea Parties - Brad Bradbury/PA
4/30/2009 7:08:44 PM (3467 views)
Re: Anti-Tax Tea Parties - Garret  Fitzgerald/VA
5/1/2009 12:53:32 PM (3448 views)

PA title agents, abstractors & closers - Diane Cipa/PA
4/15/2009 4:14:59 PM (2919 views)

single source - Christine Sheeler/PA
4/14/2009 5:18:26 PM (3526 views)
Re: single source - Lance Whitmore/MN
4/15/2009 9:34:34 AM (3746 views)
Re: single source - Christine Sheeler/PA
4/19/2009 7:00:28 PM (3471 views)

Off Topic - Wish me luck! - Robert Franco/OH
4/14/2009 10:49:40 AM (3282 views)
Re: Off Topic - Wish me luck! - Dan Zook/NY
4/14/2009 1:11:38 PM (3580 views)
Re: Off Topic - Wish me luck! - Slade Smith/OH
4/14/2009 3:07:17 PM (3421 views)
Re: Off Topic - Wish me luck! - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2009 5:40:06 PM (3600 views)
Re: Off Topic - Wish me luck! - Vikki Moffitt/GA
4/14/2009 5:47:28 PM (3374 views)
Re: Off Topic - Wish me luck! - James "Lin" Toney, Jr,/MS
4/14/2009 7:48:38 PM (3504 views)
Mock Trial Results... - Robert Franco/OH
4/15/2009 10:18:44 AM (3545 views)
Re: Mock Trial Results... - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2009 10:37:23 AM (3457 views)
Re: Mock Trial Results... - J Nisonger/CA
4/15/2009 8:18:23 PM (3800 views)

Article: Online records access (PACER) - Dave Pell/GA
4/9/2009 9:32:16 PM (5456 views)
Re: Article: Online records access (PACER) - Robert Franco/OH
4/10/2009 10:37:19 AM (4155 views)
Re: Article: Online records access (PACER) - Dave Pell/GA
4/10/2009 1:31:32 PM (3629 views)
Re: Article: Online records access (PACER) - William Pattison /CA
4/13/2009 12:09:36 PM (3451 views)

ALTA 7 Coverage/Claim - Angela Martin/AR
4/9/2009 12:48:02 PM (3437 views)
Re: ALTA 7 Coverage/Claim - Robert Franco/OH
4/9/2009 2:56:15 PM (4165 views)
Manufactured Home vs. Mobile Home - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
4/10/2009 9:14:30 AM (3837 views)
Re: Manufactured Home vs. Mobile Home - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/10/2009 10:30:56 AM (3671 views)
Re: Manufactured Home vs. Mobile Home - george Hubka/MI
4/26/2009 3:47:17 PM (3442 views)
Re: ALTA 7 Coverage/Claim - Jeanine Johnson/FL
4/13/2009 1:29:50 PM (3468 views)

FALL THROUGHS - Ray Young/GA
4/9/2009 11:15:14 AM (3352 views)
Re: FALL THROUGHS - Wanda Steudel/OH
4/9/2009 11:35:22 AM (3819 views)
Re: FALL THROUGHS - Ray Young/GA
4/9/2009 11:44:05 AM (3607 views)
Re: FALL THROUGHS - Robert Franco/OH
4/9/2009 11:50:44 AM (3601 views)
Re: FALL THROUGHS - Diane Cipa/PA
4/9/2009 3:45:34 PM (3535 views)
Re: FALL THROUGHS - Robert Franco/OH
4/9/2009 6:13:59 PM (3523 views)
Re: FALL THROUGHS - Diane Cipa/PA
4/10/2009 8:55:57 AM (3529 views)
Re: FALL THROUGHS - Robert Franco/OH
4/10/2009 10:24:49 AM (3587 views)
Re: FALL THROUGHS - Diane Cipa/PA
4/13/2009 4:57:41 PM (3514 views)
Re: FALL THROUGHS - Helene /GA
4/9/2009 10:43:09 PM (3460 views)
Re: FALL THROUGHS - Jean Lurtsema/AK
4/13/2009 11:28:46 AM (3330 views)

NORTHERN UNITED TITLE SERV GONE - James Badertscher/OH
4/8/2009 12:37:31 PM (3337 views)
Re: NORTHERN UNITED TITLE SERV GONE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/8/2009 1:29:32 PM (3683 views)
Re: NORTHERN UNITED TITLE SERV GONE - Robert Franco/OH
4/8/2009 2:37:12 PM (3701 views)
Re: NORTHERN UNITED TITLE SERV GONE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/9/2009 10:11:08 AM (3778 views)

Piercing the corporate veil is very difficult even in a "mom and pop" business. Limiting liability is the purpose for which corporations are formed. I would think that you would have to show that there was some impropriety such as commingling of funds or that somehow the corporation was no more than an alter ego for the principal.

Fraud is not easy to prove. I read a bankruptcy case a while back in which the debtor had passed a bad check to one of its creditors in exchange for services. The debtor had issued the check in the hope of covering it with funds it had not yet received. The funds never arrived, and the check bounced. Fraud is a defense to a bankruptcy and a basis to object to the debtor's discharge. The creditor in this case did in fact object on that basis, and further argued that the bounced check was a criminal act. Surprisingly the bankruptcy court disagreed. It ruled that the debtor's honest belief that it was to receive the funds to cover the check did not constitute fraud...simply bad business judgment.

In Connecticut tortious fraud has a higher burden of proof that most other civil cases. The usual standard in civil cases is proof by a preponderance of the evidence. In fraud cases Connecticut requires proof by clear and convincing evidence.

I litigated a fraud case several years ago in which the buyer of real estate inspected the property, and saw that on the listing card the septic system was designated "unknown". He asked the real estate agent what "unknown " meant. The real estate agent said that it meant that it is working fine, but that its location was not known. He bought the property. A year later he decided to have the septic tank pumped. He was informed that he had no septic tank. Instead he had a cess pool in a small cave on the property. The property bordered on a lake. When the cess pool was filled the waste would overflow, and roll down the hill into the lake where neighbors swam and fished.

I took the realtor's deposition, and subpoenaed her records. In her file I found hand written notes in which the realtor had written "new pipes to the septic". She had done a search of the Town sanitarian's office, and could not determine the presence of a septic system. She should have made her findings more clear. I also found out that she was getting a full 6% fee on the sale without having to split it with another real estate agent. The house had also been on the market for a long time in a down market, and had been tough to sell.

In tortious fraud cases you can sometimes prove fraudulent intent in the same manner as in criminal cases. Motive and opportunity equal intent. We had the full fee as the motive. We had her selling efforts in a buyer's market as the opportunity. We had her representation of "Septic Unknown" on the listing. We had her notes indicating "New Pipes to the Septic" when in fact there was no septic tank. We had the testimony of the town sanitarian that there was no septic system and the realtor's testimony that she has consulted him. The court ruled that this was not proof by clear and convincing evidence, and that her conduct did not rise to the level of a fraud.

There may be other avenues to litigate other than piercing the corporate veil....examining to see if there was an agent for an undisclosed principal is very easy with the right fact pattern. Unfair trade practices (such as doing business under an unregistered trade name) is another possibility. Unfair trade practices is more liberal that tortious fraud in terms of the burden of proof. In Connecticut intent is not an element that needs to be proved. It also has a nice recovery...triple damages and attorney's fees.

 

 

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Re: NORTHERN UNITED TITLE SERV GONE - James Badertscher/OH
4/8/2009 2:53:31 PM (3664 views)
Re: NORTHERN UNITED TITLE SERV GONE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/9/2009 9:01:14 AM (3562 views)
Re: NORTHERN UNITED TITLE SERV GONE - Diane Cipa/PA
4/9/2009 3:49:39 PM (3509 views)
Re: NORTHERN UNITED TITLE SERV GONE - James Badertscher/OH
4/15/2009 12:56:01 PM (3441 views)
Re: NORTHERN UNITED TITLE SERV GONE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2009 3:54:05 PM (3384 views)

A.S.K Services, Inc. - Edward Huguenin/SC
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Re: A.S.K Services, Inc. - Smitty Strickland/SC
4/8/2009 9:56:01 AM (4033 views)
Re: A.S.K Services, Inc. - Robert Franco/OH
4/8/2009 10:27:58 AM (4076 views)
Re: A.S.K Services, Inc. - Edward Huguenin/SC
4/8/2009 11:12:58 AM (3841 views)
Re: A.S.K Services, Inc. - Smitty Strickland/SC
4/8/2009 4:25:10 PM (3881 views)
Re: A.S.K Services, Inc. - Stephanie /SC
4/8/2009 10:30:39 PM (3817 views)
Re: A.S.K Services, Inc. - Allen Wion/SC
4/13/2009 6:33:24 AM (3784 views)
Re: A.S.K Services, Inc. - Edward Huguenin/SC
4/13/2009 6:59:24 AM (3850 views)
Re: A.S.K Services, Inc. - Janis Talbot/SC
4/13/2009 8:51:02 AM (3837 views)


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