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Off the beaten path - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
2/3/2009 10:36:52 PM (3357 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
2/3/2009 11:31:49 PM (3865 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Patrick Scott/IL
2/4/2009 12:01:44 AM (3785 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 12:55:17 AM (3880 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 10:42:36 AM (3765 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 10:52:16 AM (3820 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 11:18:23 AM (3667 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/5/2009 4:48:33 PM (3738 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/5/2009 7:43:44 PM (6294 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 10:09:45 AM (3486 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/6/2009 11:53:54 AM (3582 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 12:44:49 PM (3476 views)

I have looked into it and I don't think it is viable... there are too many problems.

  1. the middle class mostly spends more than they make.  We have a negative savings rate in this country.  At 30%, they would all lose out on the benefits of the graduated income tax, where the rate starts at only 10%.  Thus, most people who make between $30,000 and $200,000 would pay significantly higher taxes.  They wouldn't just pay tax on what they make, they would also pay tax on what they borrow and spend!
  2. There would certainly have to be exceptions for major purchases like homes - can you imagine what a 30% tax would do the housing market?
  3. Your crime analogy is flawed.... we would actually have more crime because those drug dealers you mention would diversify into stolen goods to be sold on the black market - with no taxes!  Just consider the bootleg cigarette market that sprung up after the cigarette tax was implemented.  And, what about all of the sales through E-bay and other online vendors - do you think they would charge a 30% tax?  Policing that would be just as burdensome as the current income tax - maybe more so.  Employers are much better at collecting income taxes than all of the vendors would be collecting sales tax.
  4. What about all of the people who have invested in Roth IRAs? They have already paid the tax on their retirement savings - they would be taxed AGAIN when they draw it out and spend it.  How is that for rewarding those that have planned for their retirement?  There is a similar problem with those who have invested in tax free muni-bonds and the like.
  5. The rich could still escape much of their tax burden by saving more - they are the only group that currently saves anything as it is.  And, if people save more, to cut their tax burden, the economy suffers.  As people spend less, the rate of the Fair Tax would be insufficient and it would have to go up - creating more of a burden on the middle class.  Those selling luxury items would be the hardest hit and many of the companies that make luxury goods would see sales decline and they would have to charge more for their products - making them even less appealing.  And, the middle class workers employed by these industries would suffer lob losses.  It would be a devastating cycle.
  6. How would the government function during economic recessions when unemployment rises and people spend less?  The Fair Tax would be much more volatile and it would make creating a balanced budget even more difficult. 

The Fair Tax is an appealing gimmick, but it is not really well thought out.  If you tried to make the Fair Tax workable and really fair - it would be just as complicated as the current income tax and it would still require a huge bureaucracy to police.

Sorry... I'm not a fan of it and I don't think we will ever see it.  If we tried it, I think we would end up trying to phase it in along side the income tax and we would end up having both.  We would never really be able to escape the income tax completely and we would just end up with two complicated tax systems.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/6/2009 1:51:09 PM (3476 views)
Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/9/2009 1:09:11 PM (3740 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Scott Perry/PA
2/10/2009 3:26:30 AM (3479 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/10/2009 9:59:16 AM (3513 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
2/11/2009 1:07:54 PM (3456 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/11/2009 1:43:23 PM (3440 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/11/2009 4:48:23 PM (3455 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/12/2009 12:46:38 AM (3385 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Douglas Gallant/OH
2/11/2009 5:06:23 PM (3420 views)
As I Was Saying... - Scott Perry/PA
2/16/2009 12:14:21 AM (3445 views)
Re: As I Was Saying... - Robert Franco/OH
2/16/2009 11:56:29 AM (3529 views)
Re: Commercial Activity Tax... - Robert Franco/OH
2/16/2009 3:04:27 PM (6082 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/6/2009 4:45:51 PM (3552 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/6/2009 6:17:30 AM (3517 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 10:03:24 AM (3534 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 10:47:54 AM (3683 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 11:06:18 AM (3490 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:10:33 AM (3450 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 11:31:26 AM (3537 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:59:28 AM (3558 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Barbara Bennett/IN
2/4/2009 3:28:50 PM (3352 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:21:39 AM (3484 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/5/2009 4:25:01 PM (3623 views)

reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michael Lanin/KY
2/3/2009 1:20:18 PM (3247 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
2/3/2009 2:25:20 PM (3956 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michelle/IL
2/4/2009 1:18:59 PM (3525 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - J Nisonger/CA
2/5/2009 10:00:22 PM (3699 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michael Lanin/KY
2/6/2009 12:52:40 PM (3596 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - J Nisonger/CA
2/7/2009 3:56:45 PM (3487 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/12/2009 2:18:17 PM (3426 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
2/17/2009 9:17:45 AM (3414 views)

Title Assurance & Indemnity Corp. of NA Cleveland, OH - MIchael Lanin/KY
2/3/2009 1:01:36 PM (2480 views)

The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Edward Huguenin/SC
2/1/2009 8:20:52 AM (3646 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Wendi See/SC
2/1/2009 6:37:04 PM (3725 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Janis Talbot/SC
2/2/2009 9:11:46 AM (3969 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Wendi See/SC
2/2/2009 8:34:15 PM (3780 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Edward Huguenin/SC
2/3/2009 7:10:57 AM (3705 views)

What is considered slow pay? - no name/MI
1/30/2009 12:50:38 PM (3237 views)
Re: What is considered slow pay? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 12:59:33 PM (3768 views)
Re: What is considered slow pay? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 1:33:34 PM (3986 views)




Probate Question - Helene /GA
1/29/2009 11:50:27 PM (3128 views)
Re: Probate Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 6:52:39 AM (3948 views)
Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Robert Franco/OH
1/30/2009 9:28:41 AM (4038 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 10:01:35 AM (3754 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Robert Franco/OH
1/30/2009 10:25:15 AM (3619 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 10:49:36 AM (3635 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Helene /GA
1/30/2009 10:38:14 PM (3715 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Douglas Gallant/OH
1/31/2009 8:27:20 AM (3716 views)

Preview of Coming Attractions? - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 10:53:59 PM (4854 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 11:22:02 PM (3995 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 11:58:37 PM (3765 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 8:07:42 AM (4007 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/30/2009 8:15:04 AM (4019 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/30/2009 8:16:02 AM (3944 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Alix Ott/MI
2/2/2009 2:10:27 PM (3723 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 8:46:02 AM (3902 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 12:55:40 PM (3691 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - michael quinn/NY
2/1/2009 1:09:50 AM (3712 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/1/2009 6:01:27 AM (3815 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - WAYNE QUICK/NC
2/2/2009 6:16:26 PM (3755 views)

The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 2:56:14 PM (3436 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Kim Cowles/WI
1/29/2009 2:59:08 PM (3943 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 3:48:35 PM (3771 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/29/2009 6:58:44 PM (3753 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Barbara Kelley/PA
2/2/2009 8:50:30 AM (3670 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Robert Franco/OH
2/2/2009 9:33:45 AM (3837 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
2/3/2009 10:43:16 PM (3803 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Anthony Joseph/TX
2/4/2009 8:22:07 AM (3855 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - george Hubka/MI
2/25/2009 6:04:15 AM (3481 views)

MONEY OWED - quinn cioffi/PA
1/28/2009 2:38:15 PM (3465 views)
Re: MONEY OWED - Laurie E/MD
1/28/2009 6:04:33 PM (3664 views)
Re: MONEY OWED - george Hubka/MI
2/24/2009 6:51:47 PM (3436 views)

New Real Estate Numbers Are Out - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/28/2009 2:25:36 PM (4217 views)

Snow Day! - Robert Franco/OH
1/28/2009 12:39:37 PM (3106 views)
Re: Snow Day! - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
1/28/2009 12:45:16 PM (3760 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Nils Nelson/ME
1/28/2009 4:37:10 PM (3783 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Joanie Hahr/VT
1/28/2009 5:05:58 PM (3569 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Glenda Hodge/TN
1/28/2009 11:14:51 PM (3578 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/29/2009 2:39:41 PM (3479 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/29/2009 3:36:29 PM (3626 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 10:41:24 PM (3639 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/30/2009 3:55:14 PM (3895 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/31/2009 10:31:02 AM (3717 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/31/2009 10:30:35 AM (3661 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/31/2009 12:36:02 PM (3589 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/31/2009 3:42:38 PM (3646 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/31/2009 3:44:38 PM (3590 views)

NALTEA - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/28/2009 12:13:09 PM (2960 views)
Re: NALTEA - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA
1/28/2009 1:05:51 PM (3729 views)
Re: NALTEA - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/28/2009 9:54:56 PM (3623 views)

Buckeye Land Abstract - Sybil East/GA
1/27/2009 12:54:18 PM (3272 views)

Another NON-Payer - Kurt deVries/FL
1/27/2009 12:19:30 PM (2911 views)

Title Insurance - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/27/2009 10:54:55 AM (3208 views)
Re: Title Insurance - Robert Franco/OH
1/27/2009 11:37:48 AM (3909 views)
Re: Title Insurance - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/27/2009 11:49:53 AM (3659 views)
Re: Title Insurance - Pete Kisan/OH
2/4/2009 8:45:38 AM (3868 views)


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