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I don't even know - Norean Cashwell/GA
7/25/2008 10:40:13 PM (3813 views)
Re: I don't even know - Lynn Hammett/SC
8/6/2008 2:03:05 PM (6169 views)
Re: I don't even know - Dave Pell/GA
8/6/2008 4:38:42 PM (3996 views)

maybe this is old news. someone just e-mailed it to me - I don't know where they got it - Diane Cipa/PA
7/23/2008 1:38:31 PM (4502 views)
Re: maybe this is old news. someone just e-mailed it to me - I don't know where they got it - Jay Duncan/MO
7/23/2008 1:52:09 PM (4365 views)
Great Response Robert!! - David Bloys/TX
7/24/2008 1:40:30 AM (4331 views)
Re: Great Response Robert!! - Scott Perry/PA
7/24/2008 7:48:14 AM (4314 views)
Re: Great Response Robert!! - Robert Franco/OH
7/24/2008 1:11:11 PM (4270 views)
Re: Great Response Robert!! - Diane Cipa/PA
7/28/2008 9:36:58 AM (4124 views)
Re: maybe this is old news. someone just e-mailed it to me - I don't know where they got it - Diane Brewer/SC
7/28/2008 9:38:29 AM (4211 views)

Titlesearch USA, Inc. - . APS/NY
7/23/2008 9:38:01 AM (4115 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA, Inc. - Alix Ott/MI
7/23/2008 12:20:19 PM (4430 views)
Re: Titlesearch USA, Inc. - Robert Franco/OH
7/23/2008 12:25:29 PM (4512 views)

Certified Copies In Delaware - Robert Franco/OH
7/22/2008 1:29:46 PM (5398 views)
Re: Certified Copies In Delaware - george Hubka/MI
7/22/2008 7:14:40 PM (4255 views)
Re: Certified Copies In Delaware - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/22/2008 7:31:59 PM (4310 views)
Re: Certified Copies In Delaware - Robert Franco/OH
7/22/2008 9:48:38 PM (4141 views)

First American Document Solutions - Edward Huguenin/SC
7/21/2008 5:02:49 PM (5189 views)
Re: First American Document Solutions - Jessica Talley/NJ
7/21/2008 10:07:57 PM (4860 views)
Re: First American Document Solutions - Edward Huguenin/SC
7/22/2008 1:53:06 AM (4667 views)
Re: First American Document Solutions - Sandra Morton/KS
7/22/2008 5:15:19 PM (4674 views)
Re: First American Document Solutions - Theresa Ritz/WV
7/28/2008 10:04:34 PM (4947 views)
Re: First American Document Solutions - DebiLyn Carr/SC
7/22/2008 8:53:20 PM (5043 views)
Re: First American Document Solutions - Michael Vernon/AZ
7/28/2008 2:11:42 PM (4638 views)




Liability vs Fees per transaction - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/18/2008 12:46:54 PM (3775 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Robert Franco/OH
7/18/2008 1:48:28 PM (4676 views)

Clearly, abstractors have the highest potential for losses in relation to fees charged.  But, that whole system is skewed when you look at it that way.  Realtors probably have the least amount of liability and they have the highest fees of the bunch.  The only fee of those mentioned that bears any relationship to claims is the title insurance premium.  That is because it is the only fee that is specifically for insurance.  All of the other fees are for services performed.

Sellers find it worth the fees to have a Realtor find a qualified buyer and to get them the highest possible price.  Whether they are all worth the 6% commission is certainly debatable.  But, the sellers get to choose that for themselves. 

Surveyors are hired by the lenders, just as abstractors are hired by the title companies.  The fees that surveyors and abstractors charge are not based on the liability they incur.  For the most part, the fees are based on the time it takes to prepare an appraisal or title search, plus operating overhead.  I'm not sure about appraisers, but abstractors are traditionally short sighted when it comes to figuring their overhead.  They assume that if it takes them 2 hours to do a full search and they charge $100, they are making the equivalent of $50/hr.  Obviously, that is oversimplified and extremely inaccurate. However, the point is that abstractors price their services too low and the availability of cheaper services makes it much more difficult for some who would like to charge more to do so.

Abstractor's fees are based on market forces like supply and demand, not liability.  They are caught in a rut because there is too much competition among abstractors.  They do not have a strong lobbying group like the NAR to establish customary fees.  Nobody wants to be the first to declare their fees will be based on the purchase price, or mortgage amount.  The clients would find it much more simple to go to another abstractor who charges a fixed, lower fee and there would be many options available to them.

In short... the low fees are the fault of the abstractors as a group.  For the most part there is no regulatory body (except in a few states that regulate abstractors) that have anything to with establishing the fees.  Nor is there an organization capable of uniting the abstractors into a national fee arrangement. 

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - charles jetter/OH
7/30/2008 7:29:03 AM (4488 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Robert Franco/OH
7/30/2008 11:00:17 AM (4439 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Rob  Robinson/PA
7/18/2008 4:21:13 PM (4606 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/18/2008 5:37:27 PM (4608 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Rob  Robinson/PA
7/18/2008 5:55:38 PM (4598 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/18/2008 6:32:30 PM (4598 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/19/2008 1:16:26 PM (4641 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/19/2008 1:36:02 PM (4571 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - David Robertson/VA
7/18/2008 10:04:48 PM (4464 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Diane Cipa/PA
7/19/2008 1:47:27 PM (4588 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/20/2008 3:17:32 PM (4566 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Rob  Robinson/PA
7/21/2008 9:16:31 AM (4593 views)
Re: Liability vs Fees per transaction - Diane Cipa/PA
7/21/2008 1:20:17 PM (4491 views)

Stable Regions in The Midst Of Meltdown - David Bloys/TX
7/18/2008 12:27:01 AM (5300 views)
Re: Stable Regions in The Midst Of Meltdown - KELLY ROBERTSON/CA
7/28/2008 10:06:35 AM (4273 views)
Re: Stable Regions in The Midst Of Meltdown - David Bloys/TX
7/28/2008 1:42:14 PM (4643 views)

Title Express, Inc. - South Bend, IN - Jill Kissell/IA
7/17/2008 6:43:41 PM (3797 views)
Re: Title Express, Inc. - South Bend, IN - Joseph Killian/MI
7/23/2008 11:56:04 AM (4371 views)

Residential Title Services - Scott Aduddell/MO
7/16/2008 8:53:14 PM (3948 views)
Re: Residential Title Services - Jessica Talley/NJ
7/17/2008 7:03:25 PM (4725 views)

Non Payment - SYMPLE SOLUTIONS - Michelle Allen/GA
7/16/2008 3:53:14 PM (3187 views)

Nationwide Environmental Title Research - Bill Jones/NJ
7/16/2008 2:39:58 PM (5192 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - Elizabeth Helman/PA
7/16/2008 8:29:49 PM (5437 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - Ferlin Cosgriff/MI
7/16/2008 10:50:32 PM (5167 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - Ron McPherson/IA
7/17/2008 12:56:09 AM (5222 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - Theresa Ritz/WV
7/28/2008 10:06:05 PM (5154 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - Bill Jones/NJ
7/17/2008 6:58:31 AM (5161 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - john rutledge/VA
7/21/2008 11:11:27 AM (5229 views)
Re: Nationwide Environmental Title Research - GA Title Services/GA
7/31/2008 11:45:28 AM (5148 views)

Requesting Contact Information - Tim Prior/CA
7/16/2008 12:13:55 PM (3874 views)
Re: Requesting Contact Information - Edward Huguenin/SC
7/16/2008 12:59:06 PM (5122 views)
Re: Requesting Contact Information - John /FL
7/16/2008 1:01:05 PM (192543 views)
Re: Requesting Contact Information - Tim Prior/CA
7/16/2008 1:38:57 PM (5116 views)
Re: Requesting Contact Information - Becky Cantrall/NC
7/16/2008 2:56:16 PM (5107 views)
Re: Requesting Contact Information - Janis Talbot/SC
7/17/2008 7:20:02 AM (4891 views)

kudos to abstractor - Diane Cipa/PA
7/15/2008 10:38:48 AM (3471 views)

PA - bulk sales certificates - Diane Cipa/PA
7/15/2008 7:03:03 AM (3903 views)
Re: PA - bulk sales certificates-Question? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/16/2008 7:12:12 AM (5212 views)
Re: PA - bulk sales certificates-Question? - Diane Cipa/PA
7/16/2008 9:45:35 AM (8947 views)
Re: PA - bulk sales certificates-Question? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/16/2008 10:35:13 AM (5260 views)

Questionnaire from Archer Land Title - Kristi Lee/NE
7/14/2008 1:30:57 PM (4137 views)
Re: Questionnaire from Archer Land Title - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/14/2008 1:44:15 PM (5597 views)
Re: Questionnaire from Archer Land Title - Robert Franco/OH
7/14/2008 1:58:24 PM (5611 views)
Re: Questionnaire from Archer Land Title - Dan Zook/NY
7/14/2008 2:36:44 PM (5725 views)
Re: Questionnaire from Archer Land Title - Rob  Robinson/PA
7/14/2008 2:47:45 PM (5396 views)
Re: Questionnaire from Archer Land Title - Kristi Lee/NE
7/15/2008 7:32:38 PM (5566 views)
Re: Questionnaire from Archer Land Title - catherine yant/OH
7/14/2008 3:00:19 PM (5621 views)
Re: Questionnaire from Archer Land Title - Scott Perry/PA
7/14/2008 4:05:30 PM (5453 views)
Re: Questionnaire from Archer Land Title - Ron McPherson/IA
7/14/2008 5:43:10 PM (5462 views)
Re: Questionnaire from Archer Land Title - Rob  Robinson/PA
7/14/2008 6:25:47 PM (5466 views)
Re: Questionnaire from Archer Land Title - Ron McPherson/IA
7/15/2008 2:12:39 AM (5354 views)
Re: No one going to provide the ?aire - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/15/2008 4:34:40 PM (5450 views)
Re: No one going to provide the ?aire - Kristi Lee/NE
7/15/2008 7:08:12 PM (5464 views)
Re:I finally received a copy- Thanks - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
7/15/2008 8:39:26 PM (5446 views)
Re: Questionnaire from Archer Land Title - Melinda Barcum, J.D./AL
7/31/2008 8:26:40 PM (5163 views)


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